Anyone want to separate now???

[glen d.]

Yes we must work towards a new Alberta/Western Republic to stop the finacial rapeing of Alberta.

We must stop the denying and understand what the agenda here is.

A new biograghy has been writen about Trudeau and the agenda has been spelled out.

Quote: In 1936, at the age of 17, Mr. Trudeau wrote a school essay that portrayed him as someday leading a separatist army to create an independent and Catholic Quebec. In one school essay, he sketches a fantasy of being a revolutionary blowing up "the enemies' munitions factories."
"I will return to Montreal sometime around the year 1976: the time is ripe to declare Quebec's independence. The Maritime provinces join with us, and so does Manitoba. I take command of the troops and lead the army to victory. I now live in a country that is Catholic and canadien."
Mr. Trudeau's youthful fantasy of war and revolution "hardly suggests that he was impregnated with the culture of federalism, of democracy, or of pluralism" that he advocated as prime minister of Canada in the 1970s, the Nemnis say.

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[blackpheasant]

Originally Posted by glen d.

Yes we must work towards a new Alberta/Western Republic to stop the finacial rapeing of Alberta.

We must stop the denying and understand what the agenda here is.

A new biograghy has been writen about Trudeau and the agenda has been spelled out.

Quote: In 1936, at the age of 17, Mr. Trudeau wrote a school essay that portrayed him as someday leading a separatist army to create an independent and Catholic Quebec. In one school essay, he sketches a fantasy of being a revolutionary blowing up "the enemies' munitions factories."
"I will return to Montreal sometime around the year 1976: the time is ripe to declare Quebec's independence. The Maritime provinces join with us, and so does Manitoba. I take command of the troops and lead the army to victory. I now live in a country that is Catholic and canadien."
Mr. Trudeau's youthful fantasy of war and revolution "hardly suggests that he was impregnated with the culture of federalism, of democracy, or of pluralism" that he advocated as prime minister of Canada in the 1970s, the Nemnis say.

More info @ www.unitedwestrepublic.com


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Isn't PET dead?

[glen d.]

Yes P.E.T. is dead but he just happens to have a son that is a Liberal and will be leaned on to become the savior for the Liberals, Quebec and eastern Canada .... and away we go .... round two.

[glen d.]

More info as to fiquire out the agenda.

Thank you, Glen. If anyone is interested in what the Nemnis wrote about Trudeau, link to: http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/...3-f577f9cb43a6

The problem we have with Quebec is the result of historical revisionism – the French are brain-washed from young to regard the English-speakers as their enemies and even Trudeau in his youth expressed so much animosity towards English-speaking Canada that I don’t know how English-speaking Canada ever regarded him (and many still do) as the greatest PM that ever lived!! He set out to change Canada into a French-dominated country and he has succeeded – mainly because English-speaking Canada is still too naïve to believe that this is happening!!!

Kim

[elkhunter11]

I totally agree with the statement above, however, being from Quebec originally, rest assured that it is not the opinion of all the quebecois regarding the equalization payments and complaining about more money from the west, that is mostly politicians at work, squeeky wheel get the grease!!

That sounds just like the nonsense that was being spread when Quebec almost voted to separate.We were told that it was only a few radicals,yet those few radicals made up about 49.5% of those that voted.

[roadkill]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

That sounds just like the nonsense that was being spread when Quebec almost voted to separate.We were told that it was only a few radicals,yet those few radicals made up about 49.5% of those that voted.

What, the second referendum? Who the hell told you guys that? Over here, we thought our side was going to lose.

[bigbadjoe108]

Originally Posted by roadkill

But the thing is, Rug, I don't have to justify it. Everyone pays into the transfer payments scheme, dependent on income. And if that $6000 wasn't coming here, it still wouldn't go into social programmes in Alberta because you're *Alberta,* fer gossakes.

Plus, it's not like Québecers aren't footing any of the bill, either: I mean, I pay something like 18% sales tax every time I buy something. Hellz, if the government in Québec City wasn't paying for language cops and mafia-run public works, we might not need the payments at all. Or at least, not as much...

Harper's changes to the whole scheme were well intentioned I guess, but they really just created a whole new level of byzantine crap, because now provinces can sort of pick and choose which scheme to go for. It's a complete mess.

By the way, as of now, Ontario is the only province never to have gotten a transfer payment.

But everyone here's bitching about a few billion dollars that Québec wouldn't be asking for now if BC and Ontario hadn't been compensated for harmonising their sales taxes with Ottawa in the first place, since Québec wasn't offered anything when it harmonised in the late '90s. Or rather, 2 billion or so is due to that. The rest is actually the Bloc's way of toppling the Tories. You guys are seeing it as a money grab, when it's actually an attempt at a cyanide shot to the governing party.

So, while you're all b17@#ing and moaning about $6000 per person or whatever, you've completely missed the point.



Yeah, uh... you go, guy! That'll learn 'em...



What, you think they're not going to do exactly that one day? Whoda thunk back in the day that they'd ever be able to buy IBM? Next thing you know, they own Big Blue's entire PC business. Who'd have thought that an Indian company would ever own Land Rover or Jaguar? I have no doubt that at some point, they will own Bombardier. And the whole oilsands, and probably most of the mining. And since the current government is working as hard as the last one did to keep Chinese money coming into Canada, I don't think that any of us moaning about it is going to change anything.

Well if I could throw in my 2 cents, I just want point out that while I pay full price for child care, my money is heading to Quebec to pay for them to have 7$ a day care. If the payments were actually from equal to equal, I wouldn't have a problem.

If the Gov't in Quebec wasn't so corrupt, you all would probably get a benefit from the 62% sales tax ( or whatever crazy high number it is). But it is. So most of that 18% gets put into social programs. And by social programs, the members Quebec gov'ts and public service basically mean their off shore bank accounts in the Caymans.

I just don't see why I have to pay for you(maybe not you specifically) to elect governments that are worse than mine.

[KegRiver]

You don't like transfer money going to corrupt public works?

How about your tax money going to Quebec ran corrupt public works right here in good old Alberta?

Ever heard of LaPrairie, they got run out of BC, now they are the #1 road maintenance contractor right here.

[LeonH]

My view is that Alberta/the west provinces will never separate as large majority of our own population here in the west thinks that if Alberta was to separate the world would end and we all would go straight to hell for breaking the 11th Commandment.

So, we will continue of this cycle of being screwed over and over again by playing nice and pleasing those over there, but that is our own fault as I said above as we love Canada more vs. our own well being.

[roadkill]

Originally Posted by bigbadjoe108

Well if I could throw in my 2 cents, I just want point out that while I pay full price for child care, my money is heading to Quebec to pay for them to have 7$ a day care. If the payments were actually from equal to equal, I wouldn't have a problem.

If the Gov't in Quebec wasn't so corrupt, you all would probably get a benefit from the 62% sales tax ( or whatever crazy high number it is). But it is. So most of that 18% gets put into social programs. And by social programs, the members Quebec gov'ts and public service basically mean their off shore bank accounts in the Caymans.

I just don't see why I have to pay for you(maybe not you specifically) to elect governments that are worse than mine.

I think that $7 per day daycare should be nationwide, myself. I know that position is a hard sell on this site, but $7 a day daycare is going to save my and Mrs Roadkill's bacon next year. One freelance writer plus one Québec Crown Prosecutor makes even one baby a pretty hefty weight, financially speaking. the $7 per day daycare really helps. Of course, there's a three-year waiting list to get into one of those daycares...

I'm not going to defend our government against accusations of corruption, simply because I agree with you.

Also, my wife is currently on a picket line because our Crown Prosecutors make 40% less than those in most other provinces, and they need 200 more CPs just to keep the system going. their demands would add up to under $14 mil per year. Charest ain't budging, yet he somehow found $200 mil to put into a new arena for Québec City, even though the NHL hasn't even *hinted* at a new hockey team there. So even in cases where there isn't out and out corruption involved (hello, public services), there's a real lack of sense in the way things are being run around here.

So I agree that this province doesn't have to be *nearly* as expensive to run as it is.

Honestly, it's freakin' embarrassing.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by roadkill

I think that $7 per day daycare should be nationwide, myself. I know that position is a hard sell on this site, but $7 a day daycare is going to save my and Mrs Roadkill's bacon next year. One freelance writer plus one Québec Crown Prosecutor makes even one baby a pretty hefty weight, financially speaking. the $7 per day daycare really helps. Of course, there's a three-year waiting list to get into one of those daycares...

I'm not going to defend our government against accusations of corruption, simply because I agree with you.

Also, my wife is currently on a picket line because our Crown Prosecutors make 40% less than those in most other provinces, and they need 200 more CPs just to keep the system going. their demands would add up to under $14 mil per year. Charest ain't budging, yet he somehow found $200 mil to put into a new arena for Québec City, even though the NHL hasn't even *hinted* at a new hockey team there. So even in cases where there isn't out and out corruption involved (hello, public services), there's a real lack of sense in the way things are being run around here.

So I agree that this province doesn't have to be *nearly* as expensive to run as it is.

Honestly, it's freakin' embarrassing.

And the circle of socialism continues. You claim you need 7 buck a day daycare because both of you work. Ever wonder what one of your bigger expenses is? Maybe taxes? Maybe if we cut all these social programs we could keep our own money and not rely on begging the gov and all the bureaucrats we pay for to please let us have a bit of our money back.

Honestly, roadkill, can't you see the gross perversity of that statement you just made? You essentially, unknowingly said..."The government takes so much of our money that we have to stand in line and beg them to give us a handout so we can have a baby." YET...you are competely gung ho when it comes to instituting more social programs as advocated by Taliban Jack. I know you're a smart guy Roadkill, which really dismays me to hear an intelligent person being held hostage by the very apparatus he supports. Must be Stockholm syndrome or something.

[roadkill]

Originally Posted by rugatika

And the circle of socialism continues. You claim you need 7 buck a day daycare because both of you work. Ever wonder what one of your bigger expenses is? Maybe taxes? Maybe if we cut all these social programs we could keep our own money and not rely on begging the gov and all the bureaucrats we pay for to please let us have a bit of our money back.

Honestly, roadkill, can't you see the gross perversity of that statement you just made? You essentially, unknowingly said..."The government takes so much of our money that we have to stand in line and beg them to give us a handout so we can have a baby." YET...you are competely gung ho when it comes to instituting more social programs as advocated by Taliban Jack. I know you're a smart guy Roadkill, which really dismays me to hear an intelligent person being held hostage by the very apparatus he supports. Must be Stockholm syndrome or something.

No, I'm complaining that my wife's been a CP for almost a half-decade and is still making the same wage I made the first couple of years of my career back when I was an office drone. And that the taxes I pay are being wasted on corruption. Not the same thing.

[hillbillyreefer]

Originally Posted by roadkill

No, I'm complaining that my wife's been a CP for almost a half-decade and is still making the same wage I made the first couple of years of my career back when I was an office drone. And that the taxes I pay are being wasted on corruption. Not the same thing.

So get a different job. Surely a lawyer can find other employment.

[Selkirk]

Originally Posted by roadkill

So, I guess it's getting kind of old to whinge about the Muslim invasion, or stick it to those who had to pay their own way out of Egypt, if you guys are back on the Québec thing.

Anyway, go on...

Ya, it's been a rather slow week here on the AOF, and I think the long winter is getting to some folks.

Is it two more months till spring, or is it three??? Here's hoping for an early break-up here in Awberta.

TF

[mudbug]

I wonder what would happen if the rest of Canada had a vote as to whether Quebec was allowed to stay part of Canada or was to get kicked out