Ze Germans are angry

[Iskra]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy Badger

No you don't.
Germans are good soldiers... a european war with Germany would make Afghanistan look like a snowball fight....especially if they had Russia backing their play.

No they aren't. They lost two wars. At the beginning of the last war they have had Russian backing and help. After what they have done to Europe everything else looks like a snowball fight.

[Matt L.]

Originally Posted by Iskra

No they aren't. They lost two wars. At the beginning of the last war they have had Russian backing and help. After what they have done to Europe everything else looks like a snowball fight.

They didn't lose two world because they're soldiers weren't good. They lost them because the head cheeses were idiots.

[Reel Time Rut Outdoors]

Originally Posted by Iskra

No they aren't. They lost two wars. At the beginning of the last war they have had Russian backing and help. After what they have done to Europe everything else looks like a snowball fight.

it came down to quanitity over quality, if Germany had a better leader, their equipment was for the most part superior, just not as much manufacturing as the US, from machine guns, tanks, jets, rockets, things could of been very different with a few different choices

[Iskra]

Originally Posted by Matt L.

They didn't lose two world because they're soldiers weren't good. They lost them because the head cheeses were idiots.

Matt I do not want to argue. When we win wars, it is thanks to our brave troops?

[smartypants]

Originally Posted by Iskra

Matt I do not want to argue. When we win wars, it is thanks to our brave troops?

.....huh?...they fought for their country to the death knowing their own government was leading them to doom.....hows that for some brave soldierin'???

They were exceptional soldiers...it's not the fault of the grunt in the field, when a country is driven to ruin by lunatic politicians.

[Matt L.]

My last post in the derail. Pre-WWI Chancellor Otto Von Bismarck stated that at all times Germany should avoid a war on two fronts, ie: with France and Russia at the same time, as it would be unwinnable. Kaiser Wilhelm II ignored him and it was a major reason for the defeat there. Hitler did the same thing, only more so. He had Italy as well. I suspect there would've been a very different outcome had Germany been able to focus her entire resources on one front.

This is my opinion as an amateur military history buff anyway.

[greylynx]

I think B.O. got Angie mad.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/


You might also be interested in reading the "global warming" articles.

[smartypants]

Originally Posted by greylynx

I think B.O. got Angie mad.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/


You might also be interested in reading the "global warming" articles.

....even the green-uber-alles rag Der Spiegel is starting to ask questions about the climate change charade.

[recce43]

germans would never fight another world war one they have the best economy over there two the whole world would turn against them if they tried that stuff again .

[Drewski Canuck]

You guys kill me.

Germany has ALREADY WON the Economic war of Europe. Bet they wish they had not, as they have to suck a bunch of sun bathed welfare pigs out of the financial muck to maintain the EEC.

Worst part is that if they dare to raise interest rates so that Germany gets a reasonable return on all that EEC bailout money for Greece, Italy, Spain, etc, they will never get their money back.

All the economic power under the sun is little solace to a Country having to cut back, work harder, and pay more taxes, while some Mediterranean crook holds his hand out for more.

Drweski

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by rugatika

I think he gave the Nobel group one of those military trucks or something...cause one of the Nobel guys said "thanks for the hummer"

Priceless

[josey]

Originally Posted by Drewski Canuck

You guys kill me.

Germany has ALREADY WON the Economic war of Europe. Bet they wish they had not, as they have to suck a bunch of sun bathed welfare pigs out of the financial muck to maintain the EEC.

Worst part is that if they dare to raise interest rates so that Germany gets a reasonable return on all that EEC bailout money for Greece, Italy, Spain, etc, they will never get their money back.

All the economic power under the sun is little solace to a Country having to cut back, work harder, and pay more taxes, while some Mediterranean crook holds his hand out for more.

Drweski

True. I would call that "lost" though.

[Okotokian]

This will all blow over. And our government doesn't want to get into it because you just KNOW the Americans have been bugging us for likely 50 years. It would just be embarassing to have to face the fact publicly.

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by Iskra

No they aren't. They lost two wars. At the beginning of the last war they have had Russian backing and help. After what they have done to Europe everything else looks like a snowball fight.

You are dead wrong.
You should consider what actually cost them the war instead of looking at the end state only.
German soldiers performed well and they still do.

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by recce43

germans would never fight another world war one they have the best economy over there two the whole world would turn against them if they tried that stuff again .

I agree... and we should all be thankful for that.

[rwm1273]

Originally Posted by KCL

They already surrendered.

Best used military rifle is French. Never fired and only dropped once.

[greylynx]

This is hearsay and slobbering drunk bar talk from Bonnyville Alberta from several years ago.

Apparently, at the Cold Lake Maple Flag exercise the German
Luftwaffe using the inferior Russian Mig 29 (after the wall came down) were able to penetrate the envelopes of USAF F-15's and shoot them down ( so to speak).

Shneaky little devils are they not?

[rwm1273]

Originally Posted by Matt L.

My last post in the derail. Pre-WWI Chancellor Otto Von Bismarck stated that at all times Germany should avoid a war on two fronts, ie: with France and Russia at the same time, as it would be unwinnable. Kaiser Wilhelm II ignored him and it was a major reason for the defeat there. Hitler did the same thing, only more so. He had Italy as well. I suspect there would've been a very different outcome had Germany been able to focus her entire resources on one front.

This is my opinion as an amateur military history buff anyway.

No army has been successful in fighting in Russia.

I agree that had Hitler kept to one front at a time, we would be on Mars by now and spatzle would be everyone's national dish.

[greylynx]

Originally Posted by rwm1273

No army has been successful in fighting in Russia.

I agree that had Hitler kept to one front at a time, we would be on Mars by now and spatzle would be everyone's national dish.

Psst: Jap-Russo War.

[Matt L.]

Originally Posted by greylynx

Psst: Jap-Russo War.

Ok, European Russia then.

[rwm1273]

Originally Posted by greylynx

Psst: Jap-Russo War.

Mainly naval and not on proper Russian soil.

Napoleon and the Germans failed to conquer Russia proper.

[Matt L.]

Originally Posted by rwm1273

No army has been successful in fighting in Russia.

I agree that had Hitler kept to one front at a time, we would be on Mars by now and spatzle would be everyone's national dish.

Mainly because none of them gave much thought to General Winter. Although Hitler did come damn close.

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by rwm1273

No army has been successful in fighting in Russia.

I agree that had Hitler kept to one front at a time, we would be on Mars by now and spatzle would be everyone's national dish.

You've forgotten the horde.

[rwm1273]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

You've forgotten the horde.

Ok modern Russia. Say last 200 yrs.

[Iskra]

Originally Posted by greylynx

this is hearsay and slobbering drunk bar talk from bonnyville alberta from several years ago.

Apparently, at the cold lake maple flag exercise the german
luftwaffe using the inferior russian mig 29 (after the wall came down) were able to penetrate the envelopes of usaf f-15's and shoot them down ( so to speak).

Shneaky little devils are they not?

mig 29?

[Iskra]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy Badger

You are dead wrong.
You should consider what actually cost them the war instead of looking at the end state only.
German soldiers performed well and they still do.

Last time I have heard about them was posting in pictures with skulls dug out from an Afgani graves. Their early success was advantage of technology and number of troops. When they were outnumbered and technology sunk in mud they were not so good. Show me another army surrendering over 90000 troops. Napoleon troops withdraw with big loses but did not surrender. Do not tell me Germans did not want this loses, only less then 5000 ever returned.

[Iskra]

Originally Posted by rwm1273

No army has been successful in fighting in Russia.

I agree that had Hitler kept to one front at a time, we would be on Mars by now and spatzle would be everyone's national dish.

Would you try " humane flavour "

[6.5 shooter]

In all the war games that are played by the NATO countries there are two forces which never lose. They are the Canadians and the Germans. To say the Germans were not good soldiers is based on anger not on truth. The fact that Canadian soldiers where the ones who actually beat the Germans would be more correct and to the point. The fact that the Germans where a very effective fighting force, adds honor to our troops not the other way around.

[jetboat175]

I am really glad to see the Germans mad at the USA for spying. The USA think they can treat the other country's like a ugly step child and do whatever they please. Hopefully the other country's that were spied are mad also.