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Old 09-07-2019, 09:22 PM
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Welll now !!!! If you donít have lots of small walleye how do you sell tags and make profits. Hereís a question. If Lac ste Anne and Lake Isle have walleye populations that were strong enough to allow for walleye to be transported to Wab. And the C class tag is never sold out for LacSte Anne then why are these lakes not open to general catch limits of walleye? Answer cause that donít make profits !!! Honestly how long do we think it will be till pike tags come into effect ? The 70s and 80s are gone. They found a way to make make profits above and beyond license sales. I bet Wabamun is the first lake to be slapped with pike tags and walleye tags. Iím guessing 2021. Brace for impact people.
Bahaha. It's the same ol stubborn dyed in the wool supporters of "how to roast a good fishery 101" Sheesh you'd almost think they had a vested interest in this mess or something....🤔. Pretty sure they do. If feeding starving stocked walleyes frozen minnows is their idea of walleye angling then let them wallow in it. Yard a hundred a day out of 23 ft of water if that's what a good healthy fishery means to you and if you think that's the ethical thing to do to a collapsed population of fish. Fill yer boots. Just need a winter kill to clean these lakes right out. They'd never be stocked like that again.
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Old 09-20-2019, 09:14 PM
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Iím not saying itís like the glory days of the early 2000s but last night we had a 20+ Lb northern (and Iím for sure being modest) tbone a 1lb walleye. It held on for about a minute then let go. Plus two other 10+ take swipes at other walleye. Itís obviously a body of water that produces big fish and it will eventually balance itself.
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Old 09-20-2019, 09:54 PM
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Rav has fished that lake alot and what he says about the populations of larger pike is bang on. I saw him out there all the time - so like him, hate him, whatever, he speaks the truth.

I, too, fished that lake for 20 years, probably 50-60 days a year and it is not the same in terms of quality of pike nor size of pike period. This is inarguable.

I didn't forget to catch pike, I didn't all of a sudden change what I know - the fishery just changed by the hand of man with the introduction of millions of competitors for food.

It is known that even large pike get a significant portion of their food from smaller forage fish, they don't JUST eat big fish, they eat anything as an opportunistic feeder. Yes, they do eat big meals and sit at the bottom of drop and don't expend energy like smaller fish, but they still eat forage.

The bottom line is the introduction of walleye added to the decline of forage for pike leading to more starvation, stunting and a decline in population.

Not 10 years ago, literally, 1 in 10 pike were over 5 lbs and 1 in 20 around that 10 lbs size.

You would catch 100 pike a day.

If you fished for a couple days, you definitely caught a few pike in the 15-16 lbs range and an occasional one at or above 20 lbs.

That isn't the lake anymore.

Sure, there probably a few big pike, but the age/size class is different.

You now catch 100 walleyes, a dozen pike, and 11 of those pike look like they need another sandwich or two.

Not the same. period.
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Old 09-21-2019, 06:29 AM
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Rav has fished that lake alot and what he says about the populations of larger pike is bang on. I saw him out there all the time - so like him, hate him, whatever, he speaks the truth.

I, too, fished that lake for 20 years, probably 50-60 days a year and it is not the same in terms of quality of pike nor size of pike period. This is inarguable.

I didn't forget to catch pike, I didn't all of a sudden change what I know - the fishery just changed by the hand of man with the introduction of millions of competitors for food.

It is known that even large pike get a significant portion of their food from smaller forage fish, they don't JUST eat big fish, they eat anything as an opportunistic feeder. Yes, they do eat big meals and sit at the bottom of drop and don't expend energy like smaller fish, but they still eat forage.

The bottom line is the introduction of walleye added to the decline of forage for pike leading to more starvation, stunting and a decline in population.

Not 10 years ago, literally, 1 in 10 pike were over 5 lbs and 1 in 20 around that 10 lbs size.

You would catch 100 pike a day.

If you fished for a couple days, you definitely caught a few pike in the 15-16 lbs range and an occasional one at or above 20 lbs.

That isn't the lake anymore.

Sure, there probably a few big pike, but the age/size class is different.

You now catch 100 walleyes, a dozen pike, and 11 of those pike look like they need another sandwich or two.

Not the same. period.

What he said!
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Old 10-21-2019, 03:18 PM
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Rav has fished that lake alot and what he says about the populations of larger pike is bang on. I saw him out there all the time - so like him, hate him, whatever, he speaks the truth.

I, too, fished that lake for 20 years, probably 50-60 days a year and it is not the same in terms of quality of pike nor size of pike period. This is inarguable.

I didn't forget to catch pike, I didn't all of a sudden change what I know - the fishery just changed by the hand of man with the introduction of millions of competitors for food.

It is known that even large pike get a significant portion of their food from smaller forage fish, they don't JUST eat big fish, they eat anything as an opportunistic feeder. Yes, they do eat big meals and sit at the bottom of drop and don't expend energy like smaller fish, but they still eat forage.

The bottom line is the introduction of walleye added to the decline of forage for pike leading to more starvation, stunting and a decline in population.

Not 10 years ago, literally, 1 in 10 pike were over 5 lbs and 1 in 20 around that 10 lbs size.

You would catch 100 pike a day.

If you fished for a couple days, you definitely caught a few pike in the 15-16 lbs range and an occasional one at or above 20 lbs.

That isn't the lake anymore.

Sure, there probably a few big pike, but the age/size class is different.

You now catch 100 walleyes, a dozen pike, and 11 of those pike look like they need another sandwich or two.

Not the same. period.
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Fact is we have seen this now in what 40 different lakes. Always the same results, manage for walleye and see the pike and perch numbers crash. Other forage fish numbers also down. I guess they must have all had secret power plants on them that were shut down or something.
Sad thing was many people were indeed telling them that what they were doing was having horrific consequences on the ecological balance of the lakes but at least one person was more interested in his PhD and fisheries award than running a good well balanced fishery.
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