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There is no reason for me to ever wear my body armour here in Canada, unless I become a security guard or bouncer.
so what ! what applies to you does not apply to me .

there is no reason for most of waht I do and choose to do , own , etc , outide of what I need to survive .

your point holds no water
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There is no reason for me to ever wear my body armour here in Canada, unless I become a security guard or bouncer.
There is no reason for you to have said what you posted here yesterday, either.

Or the day before.

Or the day before that.

So what? You do whatever you want right up until you are hurting someone else. If it floats your boat to go fishing with body armour on, have at 'er.

It's called freedom, bud. It's what you fought for. Not "kinda free"....Not "sorta free"....Not "free unless I think up something to worry about"...Not "free until I see something spooky on TV".....and Not "mostly free".

Freedom.

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Best post on the entire thread so far! The government chooses to treat all Canadians as criminals rather than deal with the real criminals.
Because going after real criminals is expensive and dangerous.
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do you see the irony how some were against a cop wearing a nijab , but think anyone should be able to wear body armor ?

just sayin '
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How about we read the legislation and understand what this is all about?




This legislation was passed by the Steady Eddie government back in 2010. The Red Queen pushed it through royal proclamation.

The Body Armour Control Regulation, Alta Reg 32/2012 needs to be viewed to understand the details. I'll see if I can find it.



Body Armour Control Act, SA 2010, c B-4.8
http://www.canlii.org/en/ab/laws/sta...0-c-b-4.8.html

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BODY ARMOUR CONTROL ACT
Chapter B‑4.8



HER MAJESTY, by and with the advice and consent of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta, enacts as follows:

Definitions

1(1) In this Act,

(a) “body armour” means a garment or item designed, intended or adapted for the purpose of protecting the body from an item or object used to, or adapted to, stab, pierce, puncture or otherwise wound the body;

(b) “Director” means the Director of Law Enforcement appointed under section 8 of the Police Act or an individual designated by the Director to act on his or her behalf;

(c) “permit” means a body armour permit issued or renewed under section 8;

(d) “Registrar” means the individual designated as Registrar under the Security Services and Investigators Act.

(2) For the purposes of sections 12 and 20, “peace officer” means

(a) a police officer under the Police Act, while the police officer is in the exercise or discharge of the police officer’s powers or duties,

(b) a member of a police service under the Police Act, while the member is in the exercise or discharge of the member’s powers or duties, or

(c) a peace officer appointed under the Peace Officer Act, while the peace officer is in the exercise or discharge of the peace officer’s powers or duties.



Application

2 This Act does not apply to

(a) safety equipment designed, intended for use, and worn by an individual, for sports or recreational purposes,

(b) safety equipment or personal protective equipment designed, intended for use, and worn by an individual, to protect an individual from injury in the course of the individual’s employment, and required by an OHS code within the meaning of the Occupational Health and Safety Act, or

(c) any other type of equipment designated in the regulations.



Body armour

3 Subject to section 4, no individual shall possess body armour without a valid permit issued under this Act.



Exemptions

4 Subject to the regulations, the following individuals or classes of individuals are exempt from the requirement to hold a permit issued under this Act:

(a) members of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, members of a police service as defined in the Police Act, and peace officers while acting within the scope of their authority and in the course of their employment or designation;

(b) an ambulance attendant under the Emergency Health Services Act while the ambulance attendant is acting within the scope of the ambulance attendant’s authority and in the course of the ambulance attendant’s employment or designation;

(c) an individual designated as an inspector under section 98 of the Gaming and Liquor Act while the inspector is acting within the scope of the inspector’s employment;

(d) an individual who is a security services licensee or an investigator licensee under the Security Services and Investigators Act while the licensee is acting within the scope of the licensee’s authority and in the course of the licensee’s employment or designation;

(e) a wildlife officer under the Wildlife Act while the wildlife officer is acting within the scope of the wildlife officer’s authority and in the course of the wildlife officer’s employment or designation;

(f) an individual who has been issued a valid licence under the Firearms Act (Canada);

(g) a firefighter while the firefighter is acting in the course of the firefighter’s employment;

(h) a business owner, or an employee of a business, who in the ordinary course of that business or employment purchases, sells, transports or otherwise deals with body armour;

(i) an individual who has been authorized to use or permitted to wear body armour under the authority of an enactment;

(j) an individual designated or described in the regulations for the purposes of this section.



Registrar’s functions

5 The Registrar may, in accordance with this Act and the regulations,

(a) issue, cancel, suspend or renew a permit,

(b) prescribe the terms and conditions of a permit or vary the terms and conditions of a permit, and

(c) specify the term of a permit.



Permit application

6(1) An individual may apply to the Registrar for a permit or for the renewal of a permit.

(2) An application under this section must

(a) be made in the form and manner acceptable to the Registrar,

(b) be accompanied with the prescribed fee,

(c) indicate whether body armour is needed for occupational or personal purposes, with reasons,

(d) be accompanied with a criminal record check and a police information check,

(e) include any information requested by the Registrar for the purpose of determining the applicant’s eligibility for a permit or the renewal of a permit, and

(f) include any other information prescribed by the regulations, which may include personal information as defined in the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act.



Personal information

7 For the purpose of determining whether to issue or renew a permit, the Registrar may collect personal information as defined in the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act or personal employee information as defined in the Personal Information Protection Act from the applicant or the applicant’s employer.



Issue of permit

8 On receiving an application from an applicant under section 6, the Registrar may issue a permit to the applicant or renew the permit of the applicant subject to the terms and conditions the Registrar considers appropriate.



Refusal of permit

9 The Registrar may refuse to issue a permit or to renew a permit if the Registrar is satisfied that the applicant

(a) has contravened or is contravening this Act or the regulations,

(b) has not met the requirements of this Act or the regulations,

(c) in the case of an application for a permit or renewal of a permit, has provided false or misleading information,

(d) in the case of an application for renewal of a permit, has not complied with the terms and conditions of the permit,

(e) is not a fit and proper person to be issued a permit or to continue to hold a permit,

(f) should not be issued a permit or renewal of a permit because it is not in the public interest,

(g) has failed to identify in his or her application a valid reason to possess or continue to possess body armour, or

(h) has been charged with or convicted of a criminal offence.



Reporting of information

10 A permit holder must, in accordance with the regulations, report the following in writing to the Registrar:

(a) a change of address, within 30 days of the date of the change;

(b) a change in any information provided to the Registrar when the application for the permit was made, within 30 days of the date of the change;

(c) if the permit holder has been charged or convicted of a criminal offence, within 24 hours of the charge or conviction;

(d) any other information requested by the Registrar, within the time period specified by the Registrar;

(e) any other information prescribed by the regulations, within the time period prescribed in the regulations.



Permit not transferable

11 A permit issued under this Act is not transferable.



Production of permit

12(1) Every permit holder must carry his or her permit when the body armour is in his or her possession and must produce the permit to a peace officer on request.

(2) When a peace officer requests the production of a permit under subsection (1) and the individual

(a) refuses or is unable to produce a valid permit, or

(b) in the case of an individual who claims to be exempt from the requirement to hold a permit under this Act, is unable to identify and demonstrate the basis on which he or she is exempt,

the peace officer may seize any body armour in that individual’s possession.

Loss of permit

13 If a permit holder loses his or her permit, the permit holder must report the loss to the Registrar within 24 hours of becoming aware of the loss.



Suspension, cancellation, variation of permit

14 The Registrar may, at any time and without notice, suspend or cancel a permit or vary the terms and conditions of a permit if

(a) the permit holder is charged or convicted of a criminal offence,

(b) the permit holder is convicted of an offence under this Act or the regulations,

(c) the permit holder fails to comply with a term or condition of the permit holder’s permit,

(d) the permit holder makes an untrue statement or misleading statement in the application for a permit or the renewal of a permit,

(e) in the opinion of the Registrar, the permit holder is not a fit and proper person to hold a permit,

(f) in the opinion of the Registrar, it is in the public interest to suspend or cancel the permit, or

(g) in the opinion of the Registrar, the reason to possess body armour identified by the permit holder in his or her permit application no longer exists.



Return of permit

15 If the Registrar suspends or cancels a permit, the permit holder must promptly return the permit to the Registrar or a person designated by the Registrar.



Registrar’s decision

16 The Registrar must inform the applicant or permit holder in writing of the decision, with reasons, when the Registrar

(a) refuses to issue or renew a permit under section 9,

(b) suspends or cancels a permit under section 14 or 18, or

(c) varies the terms or conditions of a permit under section 14 or 18.



Review of Registrar’s decision by Director

17(1) Within 30 days from the date that the applicant or permit holder is advised in writing under section 16 of the Registrar’s decision, the applicant or permit holder may, in writing, request the Director to review the Registrar’s decision.

(2) The Director may, in the course of reviewing the Registrar’s decision, engage in or refer the matter to mediation in an attempt to resolve the issues.

(3) The Director must, within 30 days of receiving a request under subsection (1), inform the applicant or permit holder in writing of the Director’s decision confirming, reversing or varying the Registrar’s decision.

(4) The Director may direct the Registrar to issue, suspend or cancel a permit or to vary the terms and conditions or impose additional terms and conditions on a permit, and the decision of the Director is final.

(5) Notwithstanding subsection (3), the Director may, on notice to the applicant or permit holder, extend the time referred to in subsection (3) if additional time is required to review the Registrar’s decision.

(6) No action lies against an individual who conducts a mediation in good faith under this section for any act done or omitted to be done with respect to the mediation.



Complaints about permit holder

18(1) Any individual may make a complaint in writing about a permit holder to the Registrar within 90 days after the incident or matter giving rise to the complaint occurs.

(2) The Registrar may refuse to investigate a complaint or may discontinue the investigation of a complaint if, in the opinion of the Registrar,

(a) the complaint is frivolous, vexatious or made in bad faith, or

(b) having regard to all of the circumstances, no investigation is necessary.

(3) If the Registrar refuses to investigate a complaint or discontinues the investigation of a complaint under subsection (2), the Registrar must notify the complainant of the refusal or discontinuance in writing, with reasons, within 90 days of receiving the complaint.

(4) After completing an investigation of a complaint, the Registrar may vary the terms and conditions of or impose additional terms and conditions on the permit holder’s permit or cancel or suspend the permit holder’s permit.

(5) The Registrar must, in writing, notify the complainant and the permit holder who is the subject of the complaint of the Registrar’s decision and the reasons for the decision.

(6) The Registrar may request a member of a police service or other individual to conduct an investigation into the incident or matter that gave rise to the complaint or to take over an investigation.

(7) If an incident or matter that is the subject of a complaint made under this section is being investigated pursuant to another enactment, the Registrar is not required to conduct an investigation into the incident or matter.



Review of complaint by Director

19(1) Within 30 days from the date that the complainant is notified in writing of the Registrar’s decision under section 18, the complainant may, in writing, request the Director to review the Registrar’s decision.

(2) The Director must, within 30 days of receiving a request under subsection (1), inform the complainant in writing of the Director’s decision confirming, reversing or varying the Registrar’s decision.

(3) The Director may direct the Registrar to suspend or cancel the permit holder’s permit or to vary the terms and conditions of or impose additional terms and conditions on the permit holder’s permit, and the decision of the Director is final.

(4) Notwithstanding subsection (2), the Director may, on notice to the complainant, extend the time referred to in subsection (2) if additional time is required to review the Registrar’s decision.



Search and seizure of body armour

20 If a peace officer has reasonable grounds to believe that an individual is in possession of body armour in a public place, the peace officer may, without a warrant, search the individual and any personal property in that individual’s possession and if that individual is found to be in possession of body armour when the peace officer requests production of a permit, the individual

(a) refuses or is unable to produce a valid permit, or

(b) in the case of an individual who claims to be exempt from the requirement to hold a permit under this Act, is unable to identify and demonstrate the basis on which he or she is exempt,

the peace officer may seize any body armour found.



Sale of body armour

21 An individual, business owner or employee of a business shall not sell, barter or give body armour to any individual unless that individual is able to produce a valid permit or can identify and demonstrate the basis on which he or she is exempt from the requirement to hold a permit under this Act.



Offence

22(1) An individual who contravenes or fails to comply with any of the following provisions is guilty of an offence:

section 3;
section 10;
section 12;
section 13;
section 15;
section 21.

(2) An individual who contravenes or fails to comply with the regulations is guilty of an offence.



Penalties

23(1) An individual who is guilty of an offence under section 22 is liable to a fine of not more than $10 000 or to a term of imprisonment not exceeding 6 months or to both a fine and imprisonment.

(2) A prosecution under subsection (1) may be commenced within 2 years of the commission of the alleged offence but not afterwards.



Regulations

24 The Lieutenant Governor in Council may make regulations

(a) designating types of equipment that are not subject to this Act;

(b) designating or describing individuals or classes of individuals who are exempt from the requirement to hold a permit under this Act;

(c) respecting the requirements for being issued a permit and for the renewal of a permit;

(d) respecting the information that must be provided and conditions that must be met by an applicant for a permit or the renewal of a permit;

(e) prescribing the fee payable for the issuance of a permit and for the renewal of a permit;

(f) respecting terms and conditions that may be imposed on a permit;

(g) respecting the issuance, term, use, retention and destruction of permits;

(h) governing the return of permits that have been suspended or cancelled or that have expired;

(i) respecting the collection, use and disclosure of personal information as defined in the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act for the purposes of making and approving applications, reviewing, cancelling, suspending or imposing terms and conditions on permits and administering this Act;

(j) prescribing information that must be reported to the Registrar under section 10;

(k) respecting the use, retention, destruction and return of body armour;

(l) respecting any matter that the Lieutenant Governor in Council considers necessary or advisable to carry out effectively the intent and purpose of this Act.



Transitional

25 Section 3 does not apply for a period of 6 months after the date this section comes into force to an individual who, on that date, is in possession of body armour.


Coming into force

26 This Act comes into force on Proclamation.
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Freedom is the big deal!

This is just more of the same stupid, tyrannical, inane, dumb, ineffective, offensive, insulting, useless, distracting, bozo kind of placebo laws that take the blame for criminal behaviour away from the criminal and instead regulate the behaviour of the law-abiding in an attempt to prevent a criminal from committing a crime. (I assume we are not all in a knot about somebody who buys a BP vest to, say, gather honey from hives. I also assume it's about stopping crime. If not, we are all on a looney farm.)

Criminals don't obey laws. That's why they are called criminals. This does one thing, and one thing only - it requires obedience from the law-abiding. Criminal intent is thrown out the window - again. The law-abiding are regulated in a stupid attempt to make certain criminal conduct impossible, i.e., resisting arrest or robbing a bank with a vest on.

News flash: Resisting arrest and robbing banks are already illegal. If criminals don't obey a law that says: No Bank Robbing, why'n hell are they going to obey a law that says: No Bank Robbing While Wearing A BP Vest?

If it's about "bad intent", bloopbloop, (as it should be) they why doesn't the law say that? It SHOULD be about "bad intent", I agree with you that far. But that's not what is regulated, is it? We already have those laws on the books, don't we?



I'm too tired to lay it out any more intelligently than that tonight; but that's the gist of it.
There are laws already that state if you commit a crime and wear body armour, then the crime is considered more sever.

Armour vests would be terrible at protecting you from bee stings. This is kind of a silly argument you put forth. Armour vests are for protection of bullets and bomb fragments. And depending on the vest, possibly knives. Does the average joe need protection from any of these things here in Canada?

What are you thoughts on hunting draws? Or do you think you should be able to hunt anything at any time? From your line of logic, you should be angry with hunting laws. They are restrictive too.

All this law is trying to do is limit the number of proper body armour from the open market.
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[What a clown
Because BC is doing it its okay?
Do you like the current gun laws?
Why is this any different?
You cannot use a pistol outside of a range.
you cannot own a taser for protection.
You can't even have pepper spray or mace for protection.
Rules Rules Rules
What the HELL are YOU fighting for in kabul?
And here i thought Canada was a free country.



Not that i need it for anything but bears,but why restrict the law abiding people again.
If youy want it should be no problem.






QUOTE=rwm1273;1348214]I don't see it that way. Nothing is being banned.

Here is BC's law. Alberta wants to go to something similar.

Part 1 — Possession of Body Armour
Prohibition on possession of body armour

2 (1) In this section:

"armoured car guard" means an individual who performs the work of, or provides any aspect of the services provided by, an armoured car guard service, as defined in the Security Services Act;

"private investigator" has the same meaning as in the Security Services Act;

"security consultant" has the same meaning as in the Security Services Act;

"security guard" means an individual who performs the work of, or provides any aspect of the services provided by, a security guard service, as defined in the Security Services Act.

(2) A person must not possess body armour except under the authority of a valid body armour permit issued in the person's name.

(3) Subsection (2) does not apply to a person who

(a) holds a valid security worker licence authorizing the person to perform the work of

(i) an armoured car guard,

(ii) a private investigator,

(iii) a security consultant,

(iv) a security guard, or

(v) a body armour salesperson,

while the person is in the course of employment under the security worker licence,

(b) holds a valid security business licence for a security business described in paragraph (a), (c), (d), (e), (f) or (g) of the definition of "security business" in the Security Services Act, while the person is in the course of employment in relation to the security business licence, or

(c) is exempt under the regulations.
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do you see the irony how some were against a cop wearing a nijab , but think anyone should be able to wear body armor ?

just sayin '
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do you see the irony how some were against a cop wearing a nijab , but think anyone should be able to wear body armor ?
No, I don't. Explain.
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All this law is trying to do is limit the number of proper body armour from the open market.
Using your exact brand of thinking and justification, I want:

1. A total ban on Flamethrower parts.
2. Permits to own propane tanks. Those things can explode.
3. Permits to own a chainsaw. Obvious, no?
4. Governors on all vehicles to limit speeds to 100 kph, tops. Except only ambulances and police cars.


I'm off to bed.

Feel free to add another 500 items to this "all the law is trying to do is prevent crime" list.
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I like sammiches!

I've stated my opinion, everyone else has stated theirs. To each their own. You know what they say about opinions! Not gonna argue. I'll just add that I do agree, having to pay a yearly fee is BS though.
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There is no reason for you to have said what you posted here yesterday, either.

Or the day before.

Or the day before that.

So what? You do whatever you want right up until you are hurting someone else. If it floats your boat to go fishing with body armour on, have at 'er.

It's called freedom, bud. It's what you fought for. Not "kinda free"....Not "sorta free"....Not "free unless I think up something to worry about"...Not "free until I see something spooky on TV".....and Not "mostly free".

Freedom.

And.... the necessary reflection - Responsibility.
So you would agree we should be able to have hand grenades, mortars, and other weapons of war just for the sake of having it?

If you can put forth a good reason to need to wear body armour when fishing, then you will be issued a permit. There is no ban on body armour.
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Maybe this is why we have plastic cars???
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I better register my chainmail meat cutting glove....

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I wonder how many people that are defending this new legislation were in favor of the long gun registry? In each case the legislation was enacted under the guise of protecting Canadians, yet neither legislation will accomplish that.
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RWM; your impression that it is not a ban that they are presenting; but a restriction. I and I bet a few other believe that it's merely a ban by any other name. Take for instance the liberties that the Provincial Chief Firearms Officers take in interpreting their responsibilities; these people create rules where none existed, or amend them to their liking after the fact. It'll be at least as difficult to get as a wilderness carry permit. I would suggest that they include all range officers, gun store employees and bank employees on that list as well. 7-11 night shift staff, the list goes on. Provide me with a list of all shooting victim occupations or even simply what they were doing when they were shot and that will be the start of the list of people who qualify for a body armor permit. Heck, I think my restricted PAL should qualify me, as it proves I've not got a violent criminal history.

It's a ban by any other name, and yet another government office creating office space overhead, salaries, utilities, pension costs, etc, etc. And take a wild guess who foots the bill when the 'user pay' fee doesn't quite cover this surely hyper-efficient departments costs?
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This is the silliest, most inept and poorly conceived legislation I've ever heard proposed in Canada.

Whether I want to purchase a life-size blow-up doll of Worf from Star Trek, or body armour or silver horns to embed in my skull, it is none of the government's business. It does not matter why I have a Klingon fetish, a desire to look like a horned bovine or a hankering to be bullet proof.

None of those acts infringe upon the rights of another citizen, nor do they have the potential to harm others, intentionally or inadvertently.

Moreover, not only can criminals order online, but that is likely the precise route they would take – other than the black market which will only be increased if this is passed.

Honestly, this is in fact worse than the gun registry because at least with that, all you needed to do was record the purchase. This means asking for permission!

This is not only an infringement on freedom, but an assault on our intelligence.
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I wonder how many people that are defending this new legislation were in favor of the long gun registry? In each case the legislation was enacted under the guise of protecting Canadians, yet neither legislation will accomplish that.
I was not for the long gun registry, but it did not have much of an impact on me. My guns are registered. The only problem I had with the registry was the powers if gave the police to search my home without due process.

I don't think I am really defending this piece of legislation, but merely saying that it won't affect me. I have a reason to own body armour. I just don't have a reason to wear it here.

The $50 permit is just a way to recover administration costs.

Would I be happier if there was no law. Yes I would. I don't see a reason for the government to bring forth a bill like this, but I'm not a police officer. Perhaps some LEOs can chime in with their thoughts?
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This is the silliest, most inept and poorly conceived legislation I've ever heard proposed in Canada.

Whether I want to purchase a life-size blow-up doll of Worf from Star Trek, or body armour or silver horns to embed in my skull, it is none of the government's business. It does not matter why I have a Klingon fetish, a desire to look like a horned bovine or a hankering to be bullet proof.

None of those acts infringe upon the rights of another citizen, nor do they have the potential to harm others, intentionally or inadvertently.

Moreover, not only can criminals order online, but that is likely the precise route they would take – other than the black market which will only be increased if this is passed.

Honestly, this is in fact worse than the gun registry because at least with that, all you needed to do was record the purchase. This means asking for permission!

This is not only an infringement on freedom, but an assault on our intelligence.


You want to expand on the doll? Pics?
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Not that it matters to this thread


Even a FREE lawyer could get anyone off of charges from this act.

Just look at all the exemptions in the Act and the Regulations.



BODY ARMOUR CONTROL REGULATION

http://www.qp.alberta.ca/documents/o.../2012_065.html

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APPENDIX

Body Armour Control Act

BODY ARMOUR CONTROL REGULATION


Table of Contents

1 Equipment exemption

2 Individual exemption

3 Application for or renewal of permit

4 Permit fee

5 Term of permit

6 Terms and conditions of permit

7 Permit card

8 Collection of personal information

9 Registrar’s powers

10 Disposal of body armour

11 Expiry

12 Coming into force

Equipment exemption

1 The following types of equipment are not subject to this Regulation or the Act:

(a) medieval or historical personal armour or a reproduction of medieval or historical personal armour that is designed, intended for use and worn by an individual for the purposes of a historical re‑enactment or a sporting event in which such equipment is required;

(b) medieval or historical personal armour or a reproduction of medieval or historical personal armour that is

(i) on display for viewing purposes,

(ii) for sale to museums and collectors,

(iii) in the possession of an individual, organization or business for research or restoration, or

(iv) intended and used for collection, display, costuming or decoration;

(c) personal armour or equipment or a reproduction of personal armour or equipment that is considered to be a historic object, as defined in the Historical Resources Act, that is collected and stored by a museum.

Individual exemption

2 The following individuals or classes of individuals are exempt from the requirement to hold a permit under this Regulation and the Act:

(a) public officers as defined in section 117.07 of the Criminal Code (Canada);

(b) individuals or museums who are collectors of medieval or historical armour or reproductions of medieval or historical armour for the purposes of collecting medieval or historical armour or reproductions of medieval or historical armour;

(c) manufacturers of reproductions of medieval or historical armour for the purposes of manufacturing reproductions of medieval or historical armour;

(d) individuals involved in farming or ranching operations, while engaged in farming or ranching operations;

(e) individuals performing in an exhibition, stampede, rodeo, fair or sporting event.

Application for or renewal of permit

3 An application for a permit or for the renewal of a permit must be accompanied by

(a) a statement signed by the applicant showing what, if any, criminal charges, convictions or investigations there are concerning the applicant,

(b) a colour, passport‑sized photograph of the applicant taken no earlier than 3 months before the date the application is made and notarized by a person authorized by the Registrar, and

(c) any other information requested by the Registrar.

Permit fee

4 An application for a permit or for the renewal of a permit must include a $50 permit fee for a one‑year permit and $100 for a 2‑year permit.

Term of permit

5 A permit may be issued for a term of up to 2 years.

Terms and conditions of permit

6 The Registrar may issue a permit subject to any terms and conditions the Registrar considers appropriate.

Permit card

7 The Registrar shall issue a permit card to each permit holder that includes the following information:

(a) a picture of the permit holder;

(b) the name of the permit holder;

(c) the permit number;

(d) the expiry date of the permit;

(e) the terms and conditions of the permit on the back of the permit card.

Collection of personal information

8 For the purposes of making and approving applications, reviewing, cancelling, suspending or imposing terms and conditions on permits and administering the Act the Registrar may, in accordance with sections 33 and 34 of the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act, collect personal information, including the following types of information:

(a) matters relating to permits, including

(i) an application for or renewal of a permit,

(ii) the refusal to issue or renew a permit,

(iii) the decision to cancel or suspend a permit,

(iv) the decision to impose terms and conditions on a permit,

(v) criminal record checks,

(vi) international criminal record checks,

(vii) information held by law enforcement agencies, and

(viii) information held by government agencies;

(b) matters relating to complaints under sections 18 and 19 of the Act.

Registrar’s powers

9 If a permit holder fails to comply with section 10 of the Act, the Registrar may cancel or suspend the individual’s permit or impose additional terms and conditions on the individual’s permit.

Disposal of body armour

10(1) When a permit expires or is cancelled or suspended, the owner of the body armour must

(a) surrender the permit to the Registrar, and

(b) provide evidence satisfactory to the Registrar that the body armour has been

(i) sold or given to a person who holds a valid permit or to a person who is exempt from the requirement to hold a permit, or

(ii) destroyed.

(2) If the Registrar suspends a permit for a period of time, the permit holder must, immediately or within the time period specified by the Registrar, surrender the permit and the body armour to the Registrar or to a police service for that period.

Expiry

11 For the purpose of ensuring that this Regulation is reviewed for ongoing relevancy and necessity, with the option that it may be repassed in its present or an amended form following a review, this Regulation expires on October 31, 2015.

Coming into force

12 This Regulation comes into force on the coming into force of the Body Armour Control Act.
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i' d also like to throw this out ;

what is wrong with the gang bangers wearing body armor to protect themselves ?

really .

it is a passive way for them to protect themselves .

what if they install bullet proof glass on there car , and plate the doors , why should that be illegal ? is it ? should it be ?

if the gangs had to be CORE safety compliant you bet they would be forced to wear it . haha
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This is the silliest, most inept and poorly conceived legislation I've ever heard proposed in Canada.

Whether I want to purchase a life-size blow-up doll of Worf from Star Trek, or body armour or silver horns to embed in my skull, it is none of the government's business. It does not matter why I have a Klingon fetish, a desire to look like a horned bovine or a hankering to be bullet proof.

None of those acts infringe upon the rights of another citizen, nor do they have the potential to harm others, intentionally or inadvertently.

Moreover, not only can criminals order online, but that is likely the precise route they would take – other than the black market which will only be increased if this is passed.

Honestly, this is in fact worse than the gun registry because at least with that, all you needed to do was record the purchase. This means asking for permission!

This is not only an infringement on freedom, but an assault on our intelligence.
When I purchased mine, I looked on line. The vast majority were old surplus crap I would not risk my life with, and there were no restrictions on those. But the proper companies I contacted all wanted to see some reason on why I needed it before they would discuss price and shipping with me. It made no difference where the company was located, or where I was. It appears that many places in the world already restrict body armour, if not flat out ban it.

Further to this, If you tried to purchase body armour on line, there is a good chance it would be stopped at the border by customs, and you would be contacted about it.
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what if they install bullet proof glass on there car , and plate the doors , why should that be illegal ? is it ? should it be ?
yes this is illegal.
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I don't think I am really defending this piece of legislation, but merely saying that it won't affect me.
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When I purchased mine, I looked on line. The vast majority were old surplus crap I would not risk my life with, and there were no restrictions on those. But the proper companies I contacted all wanted to see some reason on why I needed it before they would discuss price and shipping with me. It made no difference where the company was located, or where I was. It appears that many places in the world already restrict body armour, if not flat out ban it.

Further to this, If you tried to purchase body armour on line, there is a good chance it would be stopped at the border by customs, and you would be contacted about it.
I find this all very shocking, that it would be so restricted.
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I find this all very shocking, that it would be so restricted.
i had the same problem trying to purchase a life-size blow-up doll of Worf from Star Trek
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This law won't effect me, or many forum members either, for the reason in bold below, but I am still against it in principle, because it infringes on peoples freedoms for no valid reason.


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4 Subject to the regulations, the following individuals or classes of individuals are exempt from the requirement to hold a permit issued under this Act:

(a) members of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, members of a police service as defined in the Police Act, and peace officers while acting within the scope of their authority and in the course of their employment or designation;

(b) an ambulance attendant under the Emergency Health Services Act while the ambulance attendant is acting within the scope of the ambulance attendant’s authority and in the course of the ambulance attendant’s employment or designation;

(c) an individual designated as an inspector under section 98 of the Gaming and Liquor Act while the inspector is acting within the scope of the inspector’s employment;

(d) an individual who is a security services licensee or an investigator licensee under the Security Services and Investigators Act while the licensee is acting within the scope of the licensee’s authority and in the course of the licensee’s employment or designation;

(e) a wildlife officer under the Wildlife Act while the wildlife officer is acting within the scope of the wildlife officer’s authority and in the course of the wildlife officer’s employment or designation;

(f) an individual who has been issued a valid licence under the Firearms Act (Canada);
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