Tough news out of Red Deer today.

[German]

https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/edmont...1_5058361.html

[MountainTi]

I saw that earlier. It’s about as messed up as you can get. A shame the guy didn’t put up a struggle so the cops would have had an excuse to shoot him right between the eyes

[Grizzly Adams]

Gotta wonder where we're at as a society, when people kill doctors?

Grizz

[Twisted Canuck]

I saw that as well. Reminds me of the fellow who went nuts at camp near Fox Creek and killed a couple of people in a most horrible way. Nobody helped the victims there either, everyone ran away. I suppose it is a lot to ask for unarmed people to intervene in a brutal attack like that and put themselves at risk.

I guess JT will issue a statement offering condolences, and maybe they will ban assault hammers next. It's not even funny.

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

I saw that as well. Reminds me of the fellow who went nuts at camp near Fox Creek and killed a couple of people in a most horrible way. Nobody helped the victims there either, everyone ran away. I suppose it is a lot to ask for unarmed people to intervene in a brutal attack like that and put themselves at risk.

I guess JT will issue a statement offering condolences, and maybe they will ban assault hammers next. It's not even funny.

Apparently a couple of guys on site prevented him from leaving, good on them, given he had a machete.

Grizz

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

Apparently a couple of guys on site prevented him from leaving, good on them, given he had a machete.

Grizz

Yeah, I saw that, and I wasn't there so there was no judgement on my part that they didn't intervene. More of an internal sigh, because only the criminals carry weapons, and the law abiding citizen is a target. Being defenceless and seeing somebody killed in front of you has to be terrible.

I wonder if the machete is a family heirloom that came from the Old Country.....

[roper1]

Open carry, concealed carry, might not have prevented this one, but probably the next, and the cost of incarceration & trial.

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

Apparently a couple of guys on site prevented him from leaving, good on them, given he had a machete.

Grizz

I read they held the door shut so he couldn't escape the examination room. I'm assuming they already knew the Dr was dead at that point, because if he wasn't already, that would pretty much guarantee it to be the case. I can't comprehend the mindset of lunatics, and for him to go after a Dr, who spent his life helping others...

To me this would qualify as a death-penalty case, if only we had such options available.

[Pioneer2]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

Yeah, I saw that, and I wasn't there so there was no judgement on my part that they didn't intervene. More of an internal sigh, because only the criminals carry weapons, and the law abiding citizen is a target. Being defenceless and seeing somebody killed in front of you has to be terrible.

I wonder if the machete is a family heirloom that came from the Old Country.....

Princess Auto

[albertadave]

Originally Posted by CaberTosser

I read they held the door shut so he couldn't escape the examination room. I'm assuming they already knew the Dr was dead at that point, because if he wasn't already, that would pretty much guarantee it to be the case. I can't comprehend the mindset of lunatics, and for him to go after a Dr, who spent his life helping others...

To me this would qualify as a death-penalty case, if only we had such options available.

It should be. A no-brainer for most reasonable people. But this is Canada, so in less than ten years he'll be out and free with a new name, just like the greyhound bus guy.

[nimrod]

Well does anybody know what the whole story is about this horrible event, possible more information might come out.

[lmtada]

History repeats. I expect same results as 2008. Chinese man (whom moved to Canada), beheads passenger next to him. Gets 9 years in prison.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...passenger.html

Death Penalty needs To be reinstated.

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by nimrod

Well does anybody know what the whole story is about this horrible event, possible more information might come out.

RCMP is going to give an update today. I asked my DIL, a nurse, if she might have known him, or know the details, but they hadn't even heard of it. Guessing there was a doc , patient relationship at play here. Coincidentally, just across Gaetz from the Wall Mart shooting.

Grizz

[tirebob]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

RCMP is going to give an update today. I asked my DIL, a nurse, if she might have known him, or know the details, but they hadn't even heard of it. Guessing there was a doc , patient relationship at play here. Coincidentally, just across Gaetz from the Wall Mart shooting.

Grizz

There has to be something behind the scenes here. I can't even imagine what would lead to this but it isn't like the guy randomly happened you have a machete and a hammer in his pocket and randomly snapped somewhere along the way. It doesn't sound like he walked in and started swinging. He would have had to sit in the waiting room, get taken into the exam room and even wait there a while longer for the doctor, all the while having smuggled in a hammer and machete. Something weird here for sure.

[rem338win]

Ok, this is heinous and very sad.

Working with some severe mental health cases though, I see the careless negligence of our doctors frequently that would give a lot of people like (and their families) the reason to want to hurt them.

This shouldnt have happened but being a doctor in this country isnt sainthood.

[JDK71]

not safe anywhere now a days

[Pioneer2]

There are drugs and mental illness at play.Likely the Dr.wouldn't give him what he wanted or a robbery.Having the weapons proves premeditation IMO.Red Deer is a Ghetto of crime compared to the quiet hamlet of the early 80's .Thanks to all the flop houses enabling these types to stay and flourish.Before they passed through on their way to Calgary or Edmonton as there was nothing here for them.Spare time spent in petty crime and panhandling to stay high.

[Map Maker]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

Coincidentally, just across Gaetz from the Wall Mart shooting.

Grizz

Not that it matters but Walmart shooting was at South Walmart location. This murder was in the North side.
Also doesn’t matter but there is a pic floating around of the suspect and it’s a dark skinned black guy.

[JDK71]

they should have shot him no matter what his deal was

[walking buffalo]

I could give a thousand reasons why a person would be justified in killing someone else.
Many of these I learned from AO members that have commented in this thread.


Careful you don't hail for the lynching of a man that didn't deserve it.

[JDK71]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

I could give a thousand reasons why a person would be justified in killing someone else.
Many of these I learned from AO members that have commented in this thread.


Careful you don't hail for the lynching of a man that didn't deserve it.

thats very funny

[ctd]

Originally Posted by Map Maker

Not that it matters but Walmart shooting was at South Walmart location. This murder was in the North side.
Also doesn’t matter but there is a pic floating around of the suspect and it’s a dark skinned black guy.

There was a recent shooting at the North one also.

[ctd]

The Dr that was murdered was a awesome Dr. He looked after me a few times and got answers when others wanted tests done.
RIP.

[HVA7mm]

A 54-year-old man has been charged with first-degree murder in the killing of a family physician who died Monday after a violent attack at a Red Deer, Alta., walk-in clinic.

Dr. Walter Reynolds died in hospital after he was assaulted with a weapon at the Village Mall Walk-in Clinic where he practised. A witness to the attack told CBC News that a patient armed with a hammer and machete attacked the doctor just before noon inside an examination room.

Deng Mabiour, 54, has been charged with first-degree murder in Reynolds' death, CBC News has confirmed.

He has also been charged with assault on another doctor and assault on a peace officer.

He has been remanded in custody and is due back in Red Deer provincial court on Wednesday. He has no previous criminal record, according to a source at the Red Deer court.

[Nikanit]

Oh for Christ sake that is right by my place. That really makes me upset!!!

They gotta shut down the Loaves and Fishes at the bottom of the hill here!!!! DO IT NOW!! They gotta start screening guys from other countries coming here a lot more better than that! I think I may have even seen that guy around there, he's an older guy, really dark skinned and off kilter..kinda nuts. He was always by the 7-11 down there

They ALL go to the Loaves and Fishes. They all sleep in the park there, then go to Loaves and Fishes for a free meal,standing in the lineup with their nice mtn bikes and cell phones, live in the bushes around there too. We went for a antler hunt once and found so many homeless camps around there that we swore we would never do that again. Needles everywhere, garbage strewn about, stolen bicycles. We even seen a guys camp in there and he had about a hundred bicycles with parts all around. My friends and I call the area "Hobo Hills" and "Vagrant Valley" . My friend can't even let his kids go alone to the park up by Kerry Wood drive and Taylor.

I see them coming up around here trying to break into houses and cars all the time!! My neighbours and I watch each other's places.

GEEZUZ!!! I really wanna move now but gotta wait for my young son to finish getting things lined up to see whether he joins the military or goes to college. Christ sake...a doctor!!?? I probably even met him OMG!!!

[tirebob]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

I could give a thousand reasons why a person would be justified in killing someone else.
Many of these I learned from AO members that have commented in this thread.


Careful you don't hail for the lynching of a man that didn't deserve it.

This is true... It is easy to be cock-sure that he is a horrific human based on the surface of these reports, but I wonder what everyones reactions would have been if say the guy found out the doc was molesting his grand-daughter or something.

I by no means am saying this happened and he just may be an evil monster but not a single one of us knows what actually happened so is it not better to wait until we know what's up before demanding his lynching? I dunno... Just saying.

[JDK71]

just had a guy from work go over to fas gas burnt lake took his keys whet to grab a coffee . went to pay and seen someone in his truck ran out grabbed the guy gave him two good shots and set him down on the curb locked his truck went grabbed coffee and he came back to work they are all over watch your back out there.

[JDK71]

Originally Posted by tirebob

This is true... It is easy to be cock-sure that he is a horrific human based on the surface of these reports, but I wonder what everyones reactions would have been if say the guy found out the doc was molesting his grand-daughter or something.

I by no means am saying this happened and he just may be an evil monster but not a single one of us knows what actually happened so is it not better to wait until we know what's up before demanding his lynching? I dunno... Just saying.

i agree with a lot of your posts here but no one should have this done to them only time will tell

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by tirebob

There has to be something behind the scenes here. I can't even imagine what would lead to this but it isn't like the guy randomly happened you have a machete and a hammer in his pocket and randomly snapped somewhere along the way. It doesn't sound like he walked in and started swinging. He would have had to sit in the waiting room, get taken into the exam room and even wait there a while longer for the doctor, all the while having smuggled in a hammer and machete. Something weird here for sure.

Definitely premeditated by heading there so equipped and then undertaking the grisly murder, so it should be a first degree murder charge. How did he have the items concealed? If this one is plead due to mental health issues into yet another not criminally responsible verdict, perhaps that will help stem some change to our broken courts. Something has to be the final straw in that regard, for me that was a while ago, but the rest of the public needs to channel themselves into demanding that change too.

Bob's note of a backstory is possible, though I think more likely is a case of someone blaming the Dr for their bad health or some diagnosis they received, or just being an insane person who has adopted a serious hatred for the medical community (not that hard to imagine with the recent trends). To do it with so many witnesses right there leads to them just being crazy, a person with a long standing vendetta would probably plan better and get the Dr alone.

[tirebob]

Originally Posted by JDK71

i agree with a lot of your posts here but no one should have this done to them only time will tell

I am not saying it was deserved or even possibly deserved. What I am saying is there is a big difference between a guy murdering someone because they wouldn't write a script of Oxy versus someone snapping because someone tortured and molested a child.

My point overall was not a justification of anything. Just that nobody knows what happened and the idea of punishment of such should be reserved a bit until the situation is known.