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How about we let the investigation go and find out exactly what happened before jumping to conclusions eh Bee?
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How about we let the investigation go and find out exactly what happened before jumping to conclusions eh Bee?
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Which conclusion?
I stated that these incidents are avoidable.
If they aren't avoidable, I would suggest that people living within the blast radius of all rail lines think about moving.
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Again,is crude oil that explosive?
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If its in a sealed tank car yes, it's like a pipe bomb. Have you ever thrown a propane tank in a bonfire?
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Seems like its our (Canada's ) year for disasters...
Lets just hope this is the end of a bad run.
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Again,is crude oil that explosive?
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BLEVE (Boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion)
There are three characteristics of liquids which are relevant to the discussion of a BLEVE:
If a liquid in a sealed container is boiled, the pressure inside the container increases. As the liquid changes to a gas it expands - this expansion in a vented container would cause the gas and liquid to take up more space. In a sealed container the gas and liquid are not able to take up more space and so the pressure rises. Pressurized vessels containing liquids can reach an equilibrium where the liquid stops boiling and the pressure stops rising. This occurs when no more heat is being added to the system (either because it has reached ambient temperature or has had a heat source removed).
The boiling temperature of a liquid is dependent on pressure - high pressures will yield high boiling temperatures, and low pressures will yield low boiling temperatures. A common simple experiment is to place a cup of water in a vacuum chamber, and then reduce the pressure in the chamber until the water boils. By reducing the pressure the water will boil even at room temperature. This works both ways - if you increase the pressure beyond normal atmospheric pressures you could suppress the boiling of hot water far beyond normal temperatures.
When a liquid boils it turns into a gas. The resulting gas takes up far more space than the liquid did.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFq9RoF4eok
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Maybe Mulcair and others should wait for the investigation...
Before they use tragedies to take cheap shots at their political opponents.
Some people have no class it seems.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/07...l-safety-cuts/
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I guess what I`m wondering is what caused a fire at all?A tank car rupturing should have released the oil but what made it burn initially.I get all about expanding because of the heat of being in a fire.Even if one car did somehow catch fire it would have taken quite some time to develop the heat that blew the others up.Nobody thinks it odd that they crashed,exploded pretty much right away?So quickly that people could not get out of the area?
Strange.
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07-08-2013, 04:11 PM
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You got it Fisherpeak. That's why I say let's not be so quick to pin this on safety regulations.
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You got it Fisherpeak. That's why I say let's not be so quick to pin this on safety regulations.
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Probably human error or neglect, maybe something fishy. Not regulations that caused this.
It does bring into question the dangers on our tracks though, there is some pretty vile stuff rolling down the tracks on any given day. I watched 40+ CARS of anyhydrous ammonia roll by the other day.
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Probably human error or neglect, maybe something fishy. Not regulations that caused this.
It does bring into question the dangers on our tracks though, there is some pretty vile stuff rolling down the tracks on any given day. I watched 40+ CARS of anyhydrous ammonia roll by the other day.
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....and every rail line hits every small/large town on the way.....
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I guess what I`m wondering is what caused a fire at all?A tank car rupturing should have released the oil but what made it burn initially.I get all about expanding because of the heat of being in a fire.Even if one car did somehow catch fire it would have taken quite some time to develop the heat that blew the others up.Nobody thinks it odd that they crashed,exploded pretty much right away?So quickly that people could not get out of the area?
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They recovered the black box and the tank cars were moving at 101km/hr when they derailed. There would be tons of sparks
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Let us watch how the eastern liberal media will make this into an Alberta created tragedy.
P.S. Why was Justin Trudeau at Allison Redford's pancake breakfast yesterday? Should he not be home with his fellow Quebec voters pining against the bad Albertan.
Hmm. More juicy dirt in Alberta.
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Let us watch how the eastern liberal media will make this into an Alberta created tragedy.
P.S. Why was Justin Trudeau at Allison Redford's pancake breakfast yesterday? Should he not be home with his fellow Quebec voters pining against the bad Albertan.
Hmm. More juicy dirt in Alberta.
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don't know why you're surprised?, Redford and Nenshi are both cut from the same cloth....Trudeau is just exploiting it, to all the easterners that have moved here to "better" themselves. and will vote for a Liberal 
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Let us watch how the eastern liberal media will make this into an Alberta created tragedy.
P.S. Why was Justin Trudeau at Allison Redford's pancake breakfast yesterday? Should he not be home with his fellow Quebec voters pining against the bad Albertan.
Hmm. More juicy dirt in Alberta.
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Put down the koolaid. Thats one twisted mind that can link a rail disaster to a province over a thousand miles away . ??? Wow paranoid .
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Fish-gunner.
What have you heard coming out of the business community in Calgary and even Edmonton?
You obviously know more than me.
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Fish-gunner.
What have you heard coming out of the business community in Calgary and even Edmonton?
You obviously know more than me.
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Is this code?
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Fish-gunner.
What have you heard coming out of the business community in Calgary and even Edmonton?
You obviously know more than me.
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Politicians are opportunists,all of them . Right or left . So seeing them smoose for the camera can hardly be a surprise.
Your suggestion of the rail tragedy being linked in some fashion to AB is where the paranoia comment stems from.
Me & the business community lol surely you jest. Lol.
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Politicians are opportunists,all of them . Right or left . So seeing them smoose for the camera can hardly be a surprise.
Your suggestion of the rail tragedy being linked in some fashion to AB is where the paranoia comment stems from.
Me & the business community lol surely you jest. Lol.
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out with it gunner.
WHO DO YOU WORK FOR?!?!?!?
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out with it gunner.
WHO DO YOU WORK FOR?!?!?!?
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Im a simple carpenter /garage door guy. On occasion I moon light with some high tech coatings.lol . You know this B.
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oh
OK
Thought you might be a sleeper cell for a minute there.
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oh
OK
Thought you might be a sleeper cell for a minute there.
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Lol .you've been at the koolaid too.
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man, just watching the news program about this on the CBC.
horror show
they havent blamed alberta.....yet
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Did anyone else catch Trudeau telling the CBC that he was "blown away" by the situation in quebec! Oh man!!
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....and every rail line hits every small/large town on the way.....
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Very tragic...however your statement needs clarification. The majority of towns came after the railroads. They formed and built up along the rail or in preparation of the railroad coming. The railroads were not built to hit every small/large town on the way.
Railroads were the essential driver for settlers and the colonization of the west. It is still the main avenue for commerce.
If this turns out to be deliberate then someone should go to jail for a long time. If there was a failure in operational processes then some significant changes will be required.
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Did anyone else catch Trudeau telling the CBC that he was "blown away" by the situation in quebec! Oh man!!
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Yeah,Turdo has an unfortunate way with words doesn't he.
So latest this morning is that there was a fire on that train earlier in the evening,put out by the F.D.90 minutes later it crashed downtown.
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Very tragic...however your statement needs clarification. The majority of towns came after the railroads. They formed and built up along the rail or in preparation of the railroad coming. The railroads were not built to hit every small/large town on the way.
Railroads were the essential driver for settlers and the colonization of the west. It is still the main avenue for commerce.
If this turns out to be deliberate then someone should go to jail for a long time. If there was a failure in operational processes then some significant changes will be required.
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Exactly. Usually it was first the railroad then the towns. No RR, no town.
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Very tragic...however your statement needs clarification. The majority of towns came after the railroads. They formed and built up along the rail or in preparation of the railroad coming. The railroads were not built to hit every small/large town on the way.
Railroads were the essential driver for settlers and the colonization of the west. It is still the main avenue for commerce.
If this turns out to be deliberate then someone should go to jail for a long time. If there was a failure in operational processes then some significant changes will be required.
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actually the railways started most of the towns , as they built stations where the trains had to stop to reload with water etc. It's a moot point anyway, I was getting at the fact that trains carry dangerous cargo thru' populated areas vs pipelines
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Never let a tragedy go to waist. Nice thread. 
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Never let a tragedy go to waist. Nice thread. |
If you are going to be a dink at least learn how to spell.WASTE is the word you were going for.
Of course it`s terrible and of course people need to talk about it.We want to know why and how and if it can be prevented in future.Snap out of it your ownself.
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