$1.5 million untendered contract

densa44 · #1 07-14-2023, 11:24 AM

If Im ever reincarnated Im coming back as an advisor to a successful politician. Danielle's assistant has been rewarded at our expense.
It is not the UPC, they all do it, and we (the people paying) have tried to stop it forever, but so far it hasn't worked. God would have made us better if greed were painful.

Hooter · #2 07-14-2023, 11:39 AM

Do you have a link?

densa44 · #3 07-14-2023, 12:13 PM

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...arty-1.6904651

Who Da Fisherman · #4 07-14-2023, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by densa44

If Im ever reincarnated Im coming back as an advisor to a successful politician. Danielle's assistant has been rewarded at our expense.
It is not the UPC, they all do it, and we (the people paying) have tried to stop it forever, but so far it hasn't worked. God would have made us better if greed were painful.

According to the link, Nordic won over 5 other bidders in an open & transparent fair process, this is through the APC. Now there were 2 other non tendered contracts worth a total of $100k together which makes sense if they are on board already.

WDF

Trochu · #5 07-14-2023, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Who Da Fisherman

According to the link, Nordic won over 5 other bidders in an open & transparent fair process, this is through the APC. Now there were 2 other non tendered contracts worth a total of $100k together which makes sense if they are on board already.

WDF

I don't really see an issue with this.

FCLightning · #6 07-14-2023, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by densa44

If Im ever reincarnated Im coming back as an advisor to a successful politician. Danielle's assistant has been rewarded at our expense.
It is not the UPC, they all do it, and we (the people paying) have tried to stop it forever, but so far it hasn't worked. God would have made us better if greed were painful.

Not sure where you came up with the untendered part of your title - according to the article it was a competitive bid process for the major contract.

1hogfarmer · #7 07-14-2023, 02:11 PM

Any chance they get CBC is throwing **** at the wall seeing what sticks.

elkhunter11 · #8 07-14-2023, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 1hogfarmer

Any chance they get CBC is throwing **** at the wall seeing what sticks.

Exactly, just another attack towards Smith, the CBC is earning their left wing paycheck.

HVA7mm · #9 07-14-2023, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 1hogfarmer

Any chance they get CBC is throwing **** at the wall seeing what sticks.

It's funny that CBC is probably the only outlet today that isn't reporting on the Governor General spending $71k on limousine service for her four day trip to Iceland last fall. All a bunch of dirty hogs at the trough (no offence 1hogfarmer, lol).

elkhunter11 · #10 07-14-2023, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HVA7mm

It's funny that CBC is probably the only outlet today that isn't reporting on the Governor General spending $71k on limousine service for her four day trip to Iceland last fall. All a bunch of dirty hogs at the trough (no offence 1hogfarmer, lol).

They report only what might benefit their left wing enployers

densa44 · #11 07-14-2023, 07:15 PM

I can't dig through all the info that I have but I'm trying to make a point that has been the case since 1867, so don't worry. I believe that the 100K one that has been mentioned can be added to "if the need arises", guess what will happen.
This is not about Ms. Smith, they all do it and have very creative ways to hide what they are doing.
If you know how to stop it, publish it here, we'd all like to know.

jungleboy · #12 07-15-2023, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by densa44

I can't dig through all the info that I have but I'm trying to make a point that has been the case since 1867, so don't worry. I believe that the 100K one that has been mentioned can be added to "if the need arises", guess what will happen.
This is not about Ms. Smith, they all do it and have very creative ways to hide what they are doing.
If you know how to stop it, publish it here, we'd all like to know.

It’s not about Dainiel Smith , but you made it about her in your opening sentence of your original post. .

Map Maker · #13 07-15-2023, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FCLightning

Not sure where you came up with the untendered part of your title - according to the article it was a competitive bid process for the major contract.

True. But how much of the tender was based on price vs experience?
If this company was sole sourced for two previous projects then they would score very high in experience.

What we need to see is the other bids.
Would Albertans mind if this company got the work for $1.5M due to previous sole sourced experience, even if we learned that the second highest bid was $1M?
I’m not saying this is the case but that is how the system can be manipulated.

I’d be curious to know.

EZM · #14 07-15-2023, 02:30 PM

Maybe for the average person stuff like this could look nefarious ..... but it's QUITE COMMON to bid out a contract with a specific scope for a big dollar amount - say $20 Million, but during the process (as you engage perspective bidders with ideas, good suggestions and other options) to add segments of untendered work (add ons) as the process goes through - and sometimes there can be 2-3 other "added scope" items (which remain untendered and open) that could be a Million or two. Some of these suggestions are good ones that the person who made the tender maybe didn't consider.

Kinda like having people quote a new roof for you, like a $25,000 job, send it out for some quotes, and one of the contractors suggests that you look at your eaves and gutters, something like $2000 and something you never thought of before one of the contractors who was bidding the work suggested to you. Clearly the work should be done at the same time, and it's a good idea, so you, as the homeowner, just awards the main roof work and then add, after the fact, the eaves (which you know is going to be roughly $2000). Not a big deal.

The reason they can't do this is you ethically (and legally in some cases) can't change the sealed bid process adding scope, and since you can't add scope after your send out your RFQ (request for quote) package - you may have some untendered additions (disclosure or second source) that the contractor could be awarded as supplementary untendered contracts.

Keep in mind these non competitive authorized extras are usually tendered (awarded) to those organizations that successfully won a bid in a competitive tender for a much larger scope of work. So they did, in fact, already compete fairly to secure the main body of work (original scope) and went through a supply and delivery analysis by the procurement people in a fair and transparent process.

Although this looks nefarious, it doesn't mean it is really. I might be. It might not. But this is very common in all public contracts (and many commercial contracts).

It's also really not that easy to pull stuff like this with public money if you have ever become familiar with the process ..... it's not impossible ..... but there are many traps along the way (and many other people and department not necessarily "in on it") that make a recommendation and/or decision.

Don't know the details on this one specifically - but could be nothing to worry about and nothing uncommon. It could be sketchy, it may not be.

Big Sky · #15 07-15-2023, 11:50 PM

So 5 companies bid on a contract and the one that wins just happens to be owned by the Premier's campaign manager.

Seems legit. LOL

If companies with connections to the federal Liberals were being awarded gov't contracts, people would ( and should ) be screaming.

Interesting vid from smith. Not 100% on point, but close enough.

https://twitter.com/disorderedyyc/st...60295294054400

stob · #16 07-16-2023, 09:25 AM

sole sourcing happens all the time in all 3 levels of government ... this was not sole sourcing hence the other bidders ... anyways maybe the bigger??? is who stirred the pot here... i would guess it would be from one of the many dippers Notley seeded into all levels of government when in the premiers seat

Smokinyotes · #17 07-16-2023, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by densa44

If Im ever reincarnated Im coming back as an advisor to a successful politician. Danielle's assistant has been rewarded at our expense.
It is not the UPC, they all do it, and we (the people paying) have tried to stop it forever, but so far it hasn't worked. God would have made us better if greed were painful.

You sure like to bash smith and the UCP any chance you get.