Tough couple of weeks for Remand Centre staff.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

http://edmontonjournal.com/news/crim...-remand-centre

http://edmontonjournal.com/news/crim...cted-overdoses

[Tactical Lever]

“We hope the inmate will be dealt with appropriately.”

We hope?? I would hope that the inmate was pacified with repeated "pacification strikes" to the kidneys, and hands. Then enjoys a nice 20 minute high pressure clean up that coincides with the need to test firefighting equipment within the facility.

Then top it off with 2 days of "alone time", with no supper to think about his actions.

I'm not what you'd call a criminal rehabilitation expert, but I know that facilities like that enjoy lower recidivism and better behaved guests.

That works a little bit both ways as well.

[Sooner]

I have sympathy for the guard who got sucker punched. None for the dude who hit him, I suspect his payback is still coming.

Not much for the overdosed inmates either. Is it that easy for enough drugs to get into what is supposed to be a secure facility, that inmates can OD on them or has fentanyl got inside too?

[Jayhad]

Originally Posted by Sooner

Is it that easy for enough drugs to get into what is supposed to be a secure facility, that inmates can OD on them or has fentanyl got inside too?

Yes, guards aren't scrutinised as hard as the general public when entering and leaving the facility; guards are the mules

[Bushrat]

I think anyone with a criminal record should not be allowed to visit anyone in jail even family. That would put an end to a lot of it, and anyone else visiting should be subject to search including body cavity searches, if they don't like it don't go even if it is your precious little Johnny.

Prison guards found guilty of smuggling drugs into jail should be shot.

[silverdoctor]

What's the average salary for prison guards in Canada? Probably not enough I guess.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by Jayhad

Yes, guards aren't scrutinised as hard as the general public when entering and leaving the facility; guards are the mules

In some instances yes that would be possible,

Let us not forget the lawyer that smuggled drugs in.

Plenty of lowlifes as well are likely to be suitcasing.

There is mail the inmates receive.

Plenty of ways to get drugs into a jail, not just through the guards.

Unfair to paint them all with that brush.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

What's the average salary for prison guards in Canada? Probably not enough I guess.

Making assumptions that it was the Correctional staff responsible?

While possible, unfair to paint them all with the same brush.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by Sooner

I have sympathy for the guard who got sucker punched. None for the dude who hit him, I suspect his payback is still coming.

Not much for the overdosed inmates either. Is it that easy for enough drugs to get into what is supposed to be a secure facility, that inmates can OD on them or has fentanyl got inside too?

https://globalnews.ca/news/3200236/a...vincial-jails/

[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by Sooner

I have sympathy for the guard who got sucker punched. None for the dude who hit him, I suspect his payback is still coming.

Not much for the overdosed inmates either. Is it that easy for enough drugs to get into what is supposed to be a secure facility, that inmates can OD on them or has fentanyl got inside too?

That would only be difficult for an honest person. With so many criminal minds locked up together, where there is a will there is a way.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by covey ridge

That would only be difficult for an honest person. With so many criminal minds locked up together, where there is a will there is a way.

There are gang wars in the jails. They have members out side who load up on drugs by filling up small plastic eggs tape them closed and shove them up their..well you get the picture. Once loaded up they do a crime get arrested then appear before a JP without a lawyer many have been there before then they get sent to demand for a few days and voila drugs are in the jail and these guys are hero’s. They get out within a few weeks maybe a month and the cycle repeats.

The gangs do this to control the drugs in the jail. Prisoners have a canteen with access to cash they buy the drugs.

I’m willing to bet that the guard who was sucker punched was done so that this prisoner could get moved or that he gained something the gang wanted.

BW

[purgatory.sv]

I was once a casual observer .

When rule is followed less trouble.

When perceived behaviour is applied to rights ,,, trouble.

Rights should be forfeited,but it violates a constitution?

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[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

There are gang wars in the jails. They have members out side who load up on drugs by filling up small plastic eggs tape them closed and shove them up their..well you get the picture. Once loaded up they do a crime get arrested then appear before a JP without a lawyer many have been there before then they get sent to demand for a few days and voila drugs are in the jail and these guys are hero’s. They get out within a few weeks maybe a month and the cycle repeats.

The gangs do this to control the drugs in the jail. Prisoners have a canteen with access to cash they buy the drugs.

I’m willing to bet that the guard who was sucker punched was done so that this prisoner could get moved or that he gained something the gang wanted.

BW

Probably right

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

Making assumptions that it was the Correctional staff responsible?

While possible, unfair to paint them all with the same brush.

Geesus, people are touchy. Did you not notice my "probably not enough" comment?

It's a simple question.

[HeavyD111]

"According to the 2015 Alberta Wage and Salary Survey, Albertans in the Correctional service officers occupational group earned on average from $27.57 to $34.52 an hour. The overall average wage was $32.93 an hour"

There have been guard mules, but not as many as some would think as most workers, despite popular opinion do have a brain. As mentioned there are many ways to get stuff inside the walls.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Geesus, people are touchy. Did you not notice my "probably not enough" comment?

It's a simple question.

You asked what they get paid, and said not enough you guess.

Implying that you think that they are supplemting their income by possible illegal things.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

Implying that you think that they are supplemting their income by possible illegal things.

I think everyone would agree that the vast vast majority aren't. But some have, and some may still be doing it. I think it's questionable that half a million dollars worth of fentanyl comes into Bowden with a visitor and is slipped across the visiting room table. And if it did, what does that say about the screening of visitors?

[EZM]

Originally Posted by purgatory.sv

I was once a casual observer .

When rule is followed less trouble.

When perceived behaviour is applied to rights ,,, trouble.

Rights should be forfeited,but it violates a constitution?

----

Your posts remind of those random word selector junk mails

"obtuse thoughts render me red instances happy garble garble...."

Kinda like very deep and thoughtful stoned lyrics written that can mean so many different things to so many people and touch the world.

ANYHOW ......

I would offer that criminals are getting treated better in jail as opposed to the households they probably grew up in. It's unfortunate we coddle this virus of our society.

Maybe the best thing for these guys is to bring in a few "hot bags" ***of drugs in here and the problem will take care of itself.

***dealers often mark their drugs with a "brand stamp" and if they want to increase the reputation of their drugs they load a "hot bag" which essentially is either highly purified or laced drugs causing the users to overdose and thus creating a "street buzz" about how potent (good) this particular brand of drugs might be

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

You asked what they get paid, and said not enough you guess.

Implying that you think that they are supplemting their income by possible illegal things.

What the? Now i'm suggesting they are supplementing their incomes? Really?

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

I think everyone would agree that the vast vast majority aren't. But some have, and some may still be doing it. I think it's questionable that half a million dollars worth of fentanyl comes into Bowden with a visitor and is slipped across the visiting room table. And if it did, what does that say about the screening of visitors?

Take a basketball, cut it open, fill with drugs, re seal, fill with air, toss over fence in the yard with the basketball hoop, Con goes out for exercise, picks up ball, finds the patch, open, takes drugs out , stuffs down pants, walks back to the unit.

What visitor?

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

What's the average salary for prison guards in Canada? Probably not enough I guess.

Yeah you definitely implied that with your comment.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

Yeah you definitely implied that with your comment.

Yeah, sure. Thanks for the morning chuckle. And you call us snowflakes.

[Wolftrapper]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

Yeah you definitely implied that with your comment.

That's how I read it also. Not sure how else you could take it.
Not that it matters any. I have snowflakes to shovel.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Yeah, sure. Thanks for the morning chuckle. And you call us snowflakes.

How did you not?
It’s written right there, when you ask how much they get paid and then add probably not enough .
And the arguments before are that guards are the mules, or how drugs get into the jails is by staff.

Yeah it’s pretty easy to surmise what you could be implying.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

How did you not?
It’s written right there, when you ask how much they get paid and then add probably not enough .
And the arguments before are that guards are the mules, or how drugs get into the jails is by staff.

Yeah it’s pretty easy to surmise what you could be implying.

Whatever you're smoking, pass it around, maybe it'll help the rest of us understand what you're talking about. I made no such declaration, implied or otherwise.

You couldn't pay me enough to work as a guard in a prison.

[1899b]

Originally Posted by Sooner

I have sympathy for the guard who got sucker punched. None for the dude who hit him, I suspect his payback is still coming.

Not much for the overdosed inmates either. Is it that easy for enough drugs to get into what is supposed to be a secure facility, that inmates can OD on them or has fentanyl got inside too?

http://edmontonsun.com/2014/10/08/gu...f-09dabd70e452

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

Whatever you're smoking, pass it around, maybe it'll help the rest of us understand what you're talking about. I made no such declaration, implied or otherwise.

You couldn't pay me enough to work as a guard in a prison.

At least get the vernacular correct.

They are Correctional Peace Officers.

The word “Guard” inplies they are protecting something valuable.

As for the “can’t pay you enough” remember that anytime The ones dealing with the scum of the earth get a pay or benefit raise.

[J0HN_R1]

Originally Posted by Tactical Lever

Then top it off with 2 days of "alone time", with no supper to think about his actions...

2 days ! LMFAO

Try 2 months...!

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

Take a basketball, cut it open, fill with drugs, re seal, fill with air, toss over fence in the yard with the basketball hoop, Con goes out for exercise, picks up ball, finds the patch, open, takes drugs out , stuffs down pants, walks back to the unit.

What visitor?

So no one bothering to watch the wall? You can walk up to an area prisoners have access to and throw something to them? I guess no one responsible for security ever thought of that possibility. amazing.

[Kurt505]

Oh boy, the feelers are sensitive here today!

If you choose to be a prison guard, you have to have some sort of inclination that there may be a risk of physical harm at one point or another. In the same token, you should also expect safety measures will be in place to reduce such risks. To hear "hopefully the inmate will be dealt with accordingly" further supports my belief lawyers should be hung with the pupotraitors.

As for drugs..... it's simple, drug sniffing dogs at every point of entry, including the mail. Search the guards, the warden, the entire staff like you search the inmates and visitors. It may not eliminate drugs from entering, but it'll sure slow it down!