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Reusing unused tags.
Was looking at all my unused green tags I've accumulated over the years and my sticker wall is pretty full.
Planning for next year already..
Anyone ever try to purchase a licence with a previous years invalidated tag?
Wonder if the system would accept or reject it.
I'll try it out next year..
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12-06-2023, 08:24 AM
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Will reject it.
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12-06-2023, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by fishnguy
Will reject it.
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Just trying to do my part for recycling... 
I'm not seeing any real reason why they shouldn't be allowed to be used the following year or later.
I'm gonna try and make some calls to F&W.
Probably get some reason similar to why you need to maintain evidence of sex on a general WT deer. 
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12-06-2023, 09:55 AM
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Just use them to decorate your Christmas tree like the rest of us!
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12-06-2023, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Mountain Guy
Just trying to do my part for recycling...
I'm not seeing any real reason why they shouldn't be allowed to be used the following year or later.
I'm gonna try and make some calls to F&W.
Probably get some reason similar to why you need to maintain evidence of sex on a general WT deer. |
Seriously?
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12-06-2023, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mountain Guy
Just trying to do my part for recycling...
I'm not seeing any real reason why they shouldn't be allowed to be used the following year or later.
I'm gonna try and make some calls to F&W.
Probably get some reason similar to why you need to maintain evidence of sex on a general WT deer. |
Their number has already been assigned to a license. Unless you picked up a stack of tags and never purchased a license for them. New ones are free for the asking at vendors so im not sure why it would be worth the hassle to reuse and old unused.
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12-06-2023, 05:26 PM
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If you didn't actually assign the tag to a license, they're good until they decide to change the color.
I've got "blank" tags that I ordered 3 years ago, that I purchased a license for this year.
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12-06-2023, 05:32 PM
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Yes, if the tag wasn’t used to purchase a license, it can be used to purchase a licence. I got one or two that were rejected for no obvious reason though. If the tag was used to purchase a license, but unused as in no animal was harvested, then it, of course, cannot be used to purchase another license. So depends what was meant by “unused” in the original post.
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12-06-2023, 07:31 PM
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Might sound petty.. but I don't live near a vendor, and I don't like wasting my time or a vendor's time buying tags...and most vendors won't give blanks.
Yes I know I can order online... but when i have a nice new general elk tag, thats never been folded..... well I have several but thats not the point ...think about it. Ya its already been issued. So what. What does the number on the tag really mean? If I enter the number of a tag that's been issued before but never been folded and I fold it on an animal next year, whats the issue?
You think they have any record of previous tags and whether they've actually been filled? I hardly doubt it.
Overthinking things but another peeve I have..lol
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12-06-2023, 07:36 PM
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^ Well, they do have a record because otherwise they’d let you buy a license with a previously used tag, haha.
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12-06-2023, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Pathfinder76
Seriously?
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yep.
So I buy next years elk license with the same tag number that I had the previous year. I pay the money.. I have the brand new tag. Or if I get lucky one year it gets folded on the tendon...then guess what..that tag is now done.
Hopefully this helps..
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12-06-2023, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by fishnguy
^ Well, they do have a record because otherwise they’d let you buy a license with a previously used tag, haha.
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I get it...no one is getting this..its all good.. ice fishing season now in effect.
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12-06-2023, 07:53 PM
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Not all zones allow for either sex on a general whitetail tag, hence the need to keep some bits attached.
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12-06-2023, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Mountain Guy
I get it...no one is getting this..its all good.. ice fishing season now in effect.
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Lol. I don’t get it. Are you saying that you buy your elk license every year using the same tag? I tried doing that with a whitetail tag 100% once or twice because I didn’t want to go to get a “blank” tag and it didn’t work.
Personally, I’d prefer some tag-less method if there was one.
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12-06-2023, 08:30 PM
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Tag
Remember these? !
Last edited by badbrass; 12-06-2023 at 08:43 PM.
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12-06-2023, 11:51 PM
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Your blackout didn't work. I can still see the numbers lol
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12-06-2023, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by badbrass
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AAh, yes. The "reusable" tags. Still only good for one year though
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12-07-2023, 12:05 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fishnguy
Lol. I don’t get it. Are you saying that you buy your elk license every year using the same tag? I tried doing that with a whitetail tag 100% once or twice because I didn’t want to go to get a “blank” tag and it didn’t work.
Personally, I’d prefer some tag-less method if there was one.
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No..I'm saying I should be able to use the same tag.. Its just a piece of sticky tape with a number on it. Why does it have to become invalid??
And yes..go tag-less.
Some places are there now... if you can go tag-less surely they can figure out that a tag that hasn't been cancelled can be reused the year after...
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12-07-2023, 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by no-regard
Not all zones allow for either sex on a general whitetail tag, hence the need to keep some bits attached.
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Yes.. you are correct. I forgot about down south. I take back that comment.
BUt I am a common sense guy and keeping the udder on a doe that's shot up by High Level serves the purpose of?
I know..its the law and it should be followed..
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12-07-2023, 06:24 AM
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O' well! LOL!
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Your blackout didn't work. I can still see the numbers lol
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12-07-2023, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Mountain Guy
Yes.. you are correct. I forgot about down south. I take back that comment.
BUt I am a common sense guy and keeping the udder on a doe that's shot up by High Level serves the purpose of?
I know..its the law and it should be followed..
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Because you may have driven 28 hour round trip for a doe.
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12-07-2023, 09:22 AM
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Oh man, I still have a couple of those! I sure do miss them.
You'd think that they would have come up with a way to make it so they wouldn't be defeated. I'm sure that the technology/security features of these security seals has been improved. There's even embedded RFID for the modern ones now.
But yeah - the paper tag number is a controlled sequence - a unique universal number, which is a "key" that identifies that unique tag in the system.
When you purchase a license against that tag, whether it's deer, elk, moose, bear etc. you bind that key to your purchase, and ultimately to your authorization to take that animal. That creates a permanent, and most importantly, an auditable history against that tag number.
As an illustration, imagine you have an old-school ledger - you make an entry in the ledger for purchasing something, let's say, a bag of potatoes. Then next year you decide to buy a ham, and you take an eraser to the line on which you entered the potato purchase last year, and log your ham purchase on that line.
It just wouldn't make sense - now you've destroyed the record of your potato purchase, and defeats the whole purpose of having the ledger in the first place.
Not to mention it's a huge accounting no-no... 
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12-07-2023, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Mountain Guy
Might sound petty.. but I don't live near a vendor, and I don't like wasting my time or a vendor's time buying tags...and most vendors won't give blanks.
Yes I know I can order online... but when i have a nice new general elk tag, thats never been folded..... well I have several but thats not the point ...think about it. Ya its already been issued. So what. What does the number on the tag really mean? If I enter the number of a tag that's been issued before but never been folded and I fold it on an animal next year, whats the issue?
You think they have any record of previous tags and whether they've actually been filled? I hardly doubt it.
Overthinking things but another peeve I have..lol |
I get what you're saying - we should be able to "reload" it, just like a Tim's card!
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12-07-2023, 10:04 AM
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Mountain Guy,
Are you a deep thinkin advisor for the liberal party?
Reminds me of the plastic straw ban....
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12-07-2023, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Stinky Buffalo
Oh man, I still have a couple of those! I sure do miss them.
You'd think that they would have come up with a way to make it so they wouldn't be defeated. I'm sure that the technology/security features of these security seals has been improved. There's even embedded RFID for the modern ones now.
But yeah - the paper tag number is a controlled sequence - a unique universal number, which is a "key" that identifies that unique tag in the system.
When you purchase a license against that tag, whether it's deer, elk, moose, bear etc. you bind that key to your purchase, and ultimately to your authorization to take that animal. That creates a permanent, and most importantly, an auditable history against that tag number.
As an illustration, imagine you have an old-school ledger - you make an entry in the ledger for purchasing something, let's say, a bag of potatoes. Then next year you decide to buy a ham, and you take an eraser to the line on which you entered the potato purchase last year, and log your ham purchase on that line.
It just wouldn't make sense - now you've destroyed the record of your potato purchase, and defeats the whole purpose of having the ledger in the first place.
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Ok.. finally an explaination that makes some sense...
If I was an accountant or someone who still has his grade 3 report card then I'd be more than happy to keep sticking my un-used tags on the cabinet, knowing that the history of my un-used 2003 paper tag is filed somewhere so that some government official can review it...
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12-07-2023, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by walking buffalo
Mountain Guy,
Are you a deep thinkin advisor for the liberal party?
Reminds me of the plastic straw ban....
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see above...
Sound like it?
Oh... they can put a man on the moon...surely they can figure out how to recycle a plastic straw thing.. I quit ordering shakes at DQ because of it..
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12-07-2023, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Big Bull
I get what you're saying - we should be able to "reload" it, just like a Tim's card!
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If I was a better hunter BB guess I wouldn't have this issue
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12-07-2023, 11:26 AM
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Tags???
When did that start????
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How thick is the ice on the lakes around your place………..
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I have a question
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Originally Posted by no-regard
Not all zones allow for either sex on a general whitetail tag, hence the need to keep some bits attached.
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Originally Posted by Mountain Guy
Yes.. you are correct. I forgot about down south. I take back that comment.
BUt I am a common sense guy and keeping the udder on a doe that's shot up by High Level serves the purpose of?
I know..its the law and it should be followed..
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I'm confused.  Could one of you please advise which WMU's designate deer by sex? The only references I can find in the regs are for antlered or antlerless. Leaving evidence of sex on a carcass that is judged by the headgear is asinine.
OT- one residential construction site likely sends more paper and plastic to a landfill than the several years worth of unused tags. This is not a battle worth fighting.
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