OIC Action Items - Page 2

bobtodrick · #31 05-10-2020, 02:22 PM

All of this is what we need to do if we actually want to get something done and not appear to be Neanderthals....well thought out.

IronNoggin · #32 05-11-2020, 01:19 PM

RCMP Officer: Banned guns are “not assault rifles or military weapons”

The article has resurfaced recently as firearms and sport shooting groups have shared it on social media networks to highlight that expert opinion understands that carbine rifles like the AR-15 are not “military-style assault rifles”, as anti-gun politicians and activists claim.

https://www.westernstandardonline.co...itary-weapons/

dend · #33 05-11-2020, 07:38 PM

Thanks for the info. DONE!!

32-40win · #34 05-11-2020, 11:07 PM

There is a PEI Lib MP that needs a tuneup, Sean Casey, only see a twitter acct for him. Ask him why the libs just created as many as a million or more possible criminals with their shotgun bore fiasco. Plenty of info on that in the guns & ammo section post,and links to legal opinions you can use to post on his feed.

IronNoggin · #35 05-12-2020, 01:12 PM

Step Ten:

Help support this legal initiative:

The Shooting Edge along with Target Sports Canada and some other companies, has decided to initiate a legal challenge on the Trudeau government's sporting rifle gun ban. Although we hope there are going to be other challenges mounted by other firearms interest groups across the country, we believe that a compelling case needs a compelling victim and no one has been hit harder than individual small business firearm retailers in this country.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/jumaq-fight-the-oic-in-court

IronNoggin · #36 05-12-2020, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronNoggin

Step Six:

Sign MP Michelle Rempel's official Petition calling for the the Prime Minister to immediately scrap his government’s May 1, 2020, Order in Council decision related to confiscating legally owned firearms and instead pass legislation that will target criminals, stop the smuggling of firearms into Canada, go after those who illegally acquire firearms, and apologize to legal firearms owners in Canada.

Share it to any social media you have.

Don't forget to reply to the confirmation email or its not counted, that might possibly wind up in your junk mail.

https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/P...iNdHhyrWNWVOUw

Just passed 176,00...

Now officially the Most Signed Parliamentary Petition EVER!!

And still growing!

Nog

32-40win · #37 05-12-2020, 09:55 PM

See JR achieved his goal, in 24hrs yet. Hope it works out on his approach to the issue. Don't know til you try.

IronNoggin · #38 05-13-2020, 02:17 PM

New facts prove the utter uselessness of Trudeau's gun ban

The RCMP claim Wortman’s fourth murder weapon – another handgun – was “sourced in Canada.” But that is most likely because it was Const. Heidi Stevenson’s sidearm. Wortman stole that one off her body when he killed the Mountie after their two cars collided.

Yet in their infinite “progressive” wisdom, the Liberals and their supporters have convinced themselves Wortman and others like him can easily be stopped before they act out their murderous fantasies.

It’s a snap, they claim. Just take away guns from law-abiding hunters, farmers, target shooters and collectors.

That’ll do it!

Don’t try very hard to stop the illegal import of firearms, or better screen gun owners for mental health or crack down on street gangs and the drug trade or keep track of the nearly 500,000 Canadians who have been banned from possessing guns.

(Legal gun owners have to register their addresses with the RCMP, while people banned from owning guns because of previous convictions for violent crimes, do not.)

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...udeaus-gun-ban

bat119 · #39 05-13-2020, 02:26 PM

Wortman had a violent past
His neighbor reported he owned illegal guns with no license
His fake cop car was well known
his guns were smuggled from the US
The RCMP failed to warn the public

Trudopes response...LOOK ASSAULT RIFLES (squirrel)

IronNoggin · #40 05-13-2020, 02:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs2DBnGZCkc

IronNoggin · #41 05-13-2020, 03:09 PM

Federal gun grab puts politics ahead of safety

Unfortunately, it seems Ottawa isn’t interested in constructive solutions. Instead, the federal government seems to prefer a big, noisy, politically charged spectacle. They want an election issue. This is why you see the Liberals adopt political terms used in the gun control debate south of the border. How many times have federal officials used the term “assault style” or “military grade” in describing the firearms they plan to ban? These terms are not weapon classifications, rather they are marketing terms for a political campaign. They are designed to evoke fear of both firearms and the hunters, farmers, ranchers, and sport shooters who own them. Alienating these folks while expecting them to voluntarily hand over their property is a policy doomed to backfire.

https://www.rimbeyreview.com/opinion...ead-of-safety/

IronNoggin · #42 05-15-2020, 12:55 PM

Petition surpasses 196,000 and counting...

https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/P...etition=e-2574

IronNoggin · #43 05-15-2020, 03:55 PM

Federal firearms ban misses mark—badly

Police report that between 70 and 90 per cent of guns used in violent crimes in Canada are smuggled, mainly from the U.S. Gang violence is a growing threat to public safety. According to StatsCan, one quarter (24 per cent) of all homicides were gang-related in 2018, up from 16 per cent in 2015, and licensed firearms owners are much less likely to commit murder than other Canadians. The evidence strongly suggests this gun ban won’t make us safer. If the prime minister wants to stop gun violence, he should encourage the provinces and municipalities to hire more police officers or improve screening at the border to prevent gun smuggling. But this ban targets the law-abiding, not the criminal.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blog...ses-mark-badly

IronNoggin · #44 05-16-2020, 12:28 PM

At Bill Blair's direction, the RCMP have been quietly adding firearms to the banned list. As of yesterday, that included 255 target rifles and even bolt action shotguns. Slippery Slope not real? Riiiiight!

More Guns Banned, FRT Records Deleted

Earlier today we discovered, by way of the RCMP Verifier’s portal to a live-updated version of the Firearms Reference Table, that a number of firearms have been moved to the Prohibited class as variants of the AR-15. These firearms include the Typhoon F12 shotgun, a bolt-action shotgun, a number of Alberta Tactical Rifle’s formerly non-restricted rifles, and the Maccabee Defense SLR-Multi rifle. We do not know if there have been further prohibitions, or if there will be.

These prohibitions are being made under the legal authority granted by the OIC announced May 1st, specifically Section 87, which reads: “The firearms of the designs commonly known as the M16, AR-10 and AR-15 rifles and the M4 carbine, and any variants or modified versions of them.” In other words, they are considering these firearms variants of the AR-15, and are prohibiting them as a result.

The problem with that is that the RCMP’s own documentation prior to this specifically included various comments that would disallow this action. For example, the Maccabee Defense SLR’s former FRT entry includes a section for Canadian Law Comments that reads as follows: “This firearm design is derived from an amalgamation of several different firearm designs and does not trace its design lineage directly or uniquely to a “prohibited” or a “restricted” firearm found in the Regulations appended to the Criminal Code.”

https://calibremag.ca/more-guns-bann...cords-deleted/

IronNoggin · #45 05-16-2020, 12:39 PM

For any who might be inclined to look where we are headed, I'd suggest a quick read of a letter from someone Trudeau appointed to his Firearms Committee to Bill Blair. The one that left in disgust when things were not rolling fast enough for her...

Recommendations concerning the ban on assault weapons and other measures being considered

http://polysesouvient.ca/Documents/M...ouu0TXzcXWpIAw

IronNoggin · #46 05-18-2020, 03:04 PM

https://www.westernstandardonline.co...les-in-canada/

IronNoggin · #47 05-19-2020, 12:02 PM

Alberta Game Warden Association
12 hrs ·

On May 1, 2020, Prime Minister Trudeau and the Liberal government implemented a prohibition of over 1500 firearms through an Order in Council (OIC).

The Alberta Game Warden Association (AGWA) wishes to clearly state that they oppose the OIC Firearms Ban and believes that any such issues should be taken through the democratic processes which our officials have been elected and sworn to uphold.

The Alberta Game Warden Association consists of Fish and Wildlife officers who strive to conserve the natural resources of Alberta by ensuring compliance with resource related activities such as hunting, trapping and fishing and to provide public safety by managing dangerous wildlife. AGWA believes it is critically important to show support for their stakeholders, specifically lawful firearms owners in the hunting, trapping, sport competition/target shooting and ranching community.

The OIC Firearm Ban lacks evidence-based decision making as shown in the following paragraphs.

The OIC claimed to be banning Military Grade Assault Weapons. That fundamental premise of the OIC is flawed as Military Grade Assault Weapons refers to fully automatic firearms with high capacity magazines, both of which were already prohibited in Canada in 1977 and 1992 respectively. None of the firearms that were banned are capable of firing in fully automatic mode (one depression of the trigger allowing for continuous firing) or legally able to contain more than five rounds in the magazine.

The Federal Liberal OIC further states that none of the firearms banned are commonly used for sporting or hunting purposes. However, the restricted firearms that are now prohibited, have been used for decades for sporting and competition purposes and were licensed by the Federal government for this very purpose. The non-restricted firearms that were banned under the OIC are common hunting rifles for both predators and large game animals. This was demonstrated by the fact that an exemption was included in the OIC allowing Indigenous people to continue to hunt for subsistence purposes with these very same firearms.

In addition to banning 1,500 firearms by specific make and model, the firearm ban includes the banning of firearms with a bore of 20 mm or more. Most 10 and 12 gauge shotguns with a removable choke have a bore of 20 mm or more, and would therefore be banned under the new regulations imposed. The intent of making these firearms may not be there at this moment. However, we believe that this oversight is a key example why this issue should have gone through the Parliamentary process. Instead, the lawful outdoor community members such as upland bird hunters or waterfowler’s have become criminals for possession of certain shotguns.

Statistics Canada figures show licenced gun owners are among the least likely citizens to commit a violent crime. New public safety measures should target the people responsible for criminal activity, tighten bail release conditions and address the socio-economic environments that give rise to violent life styles. Criminals who have illegally obtained firearms will not be impacted by this confiscation regime.

The Vancouver City Police Chief, who is the head of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, was asked in 2019 whether he felt Canada needed further gun controls. He said, “Canada already has strong firearms regulations and no other law is required. The firearms laws in Canada are actually very good right now. They’re very strict.”

The Alberta Game Warden Association urges the Federal Liberal Party to repeal the OIC Firearm Ban immediately to ensure Canadian citizens can continue to use these firearms responsibly and not face criminal prosecution for possessing lawfully acquired property. Limited government resources should be focused on taking action against the root causes of violent crime, such as gang violence, firearms obtained illegally or those which are illegally smuggled into Canada.

IronNoggin · #48 05-19-2020, 01:33 PM

Those who want total ban on handguns lack understanding of firearm sports

Responsible and legal firearm owners do not carry firearms outside of legally permitted areas.

We do not threaten the safety of citizens, nor the efficiency of police work.

Most of us certainly do not claim to need handguns for any reason beyond the pure love or enjoyment of participating in the shooting sports.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/opin...trol-1.5572268

IronNoggin · #49 05-19-2020, 01:36 PM

Step 11:

Write your local Conservation Officers Organization and directly request they follow the excellent example put forward by the Alberta Game Warden Association in calling for the OIC to be rescinded.

BC:

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/....ct-information

https://www.facebook.com/BCCOSociety/

North American Wildlife Enforcement Officers Association:

https://www.naweoa.org/

Saskatchewan:

https://www.saco.ca/

Manitoba:

https://mb.211.ca/agencies/manitoba-...sociation-inc/

Ontario:

http://ocoa.ca/

Please feel free to add links to those I do not have.

Cheers & Thanks,
Matt

IronNoggin · #50 05-20-2020, 02:06 PM

And... Another one bites the dust...

It seems the trigger happy folks rapidly prohibiting firearms under the direction of Trudeau et al are keeping rather busy these days.

Here's the next:

It's a 22 caliber Mossberg Plinkster. Semi automatic. There are several hundred thousand of them in circulation in Canada. No one can be certain of the exact number, as these have always been a non-restricted item.

But... once again, you can dress them up to look soooo scary they best be on the list:

Forget the fact that the outside shell is a cheap plastic and rather ill fitting case surrounding the Plinkster inside. Forget the fact it still functions exactly the same. Forget the fact it is a 22. It now obviously fits the banal Trudeau description: “These weapons were designed for one purpose and one purpose only: to kill the largest amount of people in the shortest amount of time,”

And on it goes...

Nog

guysmiley · #51 05-20-2020, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronNoggin

And... Another one bites the dust...

It seems the trigger happy folks rapidly prohibiting firearms under the direction of Trudeau et al are keeping rather busy these days.

Here's the next:

It's a 22 caliber Mossberg Plinkster. Semi automatic. There are several hundred thousand of them in circulation in Canada. No one can be certain of the exact number, as these have always been a non-restricted item.

But... once again, you can dress them up to look soooo scary they best be on the list:

Forget the fact that the outside shell is a cheap plastic and rather ill fitting case surrounding the Plinkster inside. Forget the fact it still functions exactly the same. Forget the fact it is a 22. It now obviously fits the banal Trudeau description: “These weapons were designed for one purpose and one purpose only: to kill the largest amount of people in the shortest amount of time,”

And on it goes...

Nog

The date on that FRT is November 25th 2019. I'm not sure I beleive this is legit. No offense meant and it wouldn't surprise me if it were true.... Just not sure it is.

IronNoggin · #52 05-20-2020, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guysmiley

The date on that FRT is November 25th 2019. I'm not sure I beleive this is legit. No offense meant and it wouldn't surprise me if it were true.... Just not sure it is.

No offense taken. The date is a reflection of the last time that software package was updated. Not the 22 entry. It is legit. Unfortunately.

Otherwise Cabela's and Canada Tire (among a host of others) have been selling Prohibited classed firearms since November of 2019. NOPE.

Nog

guysmiley · #53 05-20-2020, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronNoggin

No offense taken. The date is a reflection of the last time that software package was updated. Not the 22 entry. It is legit. Unfortunately.

Otherwise Cabela's and Canada Tire (among a host of others) have been selling Prohibited classed firearms since November of 2019. NOPE.

Nog

That is just unbelievable. Thank you for clarifying. I just went to Cabelas.ca and it is now showing as not available. I don't have one but I have friends that do. This is getting out of hand in a big hurry.

chickensashimi · #54 05-20-2020, 03:09 PM

.....what next?!......butter knives??!!!

Roughneck12 · #55 05-20-2020, 03:44 PM

I am becoming very afraid of this Government. Government tyranny is starting to look less and less like a conspiracy theory.

CaberTosser · #56 05-20-2020, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Roughneck12

I am becoming very afraid of this Government. Government tyranny is starting to look less and less like a conspiracy theory.

When their platform includes mounting a misinformation & hate campaign against myself and the large number of excellent firearms owners I know, its crystal clear that they're not interested in truth or statistics, just ramming through their agenda at any cost. Could you imagine the uproar if the Conservatives did something this heinous that they disagreed with? As s groups we've become nothing more than political cannon fodder to them, anyone with that kind of morality should be turfed from office with extreme prejudice (though perhaps not with quite the prejudice that they've shown towards us, being that we're civil people who prefer to live & let live, in stark contrast to them)

mmmax · #57 05-22-2020, 08:41 AM

We are seeing first hand how powerful miss-information campaigns can be and how hard it is to get the correct information out when emotion and political spin is involved. However, the Firearms act is a public document and we have a lot of good people trying to spread the word about about how bad this OIC and the mis-information campaign is.

We have also been told what the next step is an it is the "Municipal Handgun Bans" so we need to get ahead of that.
Here the Calgary Police Chief talking against a Handgun ban Fall 2019. (key words, download, political, patchwork, emotional, evidence)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZb64hoYxDM
Here is Winnipeg Police Chief - very direct and to the point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHw70TiuDJo
It is a very powerful when you can show people that the police are not in favour of this political agenda.

mjohn7 · #58 05-22-2020, 10:26 AM

There is alo the Ruger Number 1, as well as several Weatherby rifles added to the list. Looks like all dangerous game calibers are designed for mass destruction.. So much for Black rifles only..

IronNoggin · #59 05-24-2020, 01:15 PM

Judicial review of an Order in Council to determine if the Order in council is valid:

https://efiling.fct-cf.gc.ca/efiling...80gD5AXQ3EKHTu

Back Country Hunter · #60 05-24-2020, 06:26 PM

Wolverine Supplies (Manitoba) is launching a Judicial review of the OIC and is looking for input from firearms owners. More information is posted in their thread on CGN.