Toronto Gets It's Gun Ban...

[Rusty P. Bucket]

Mayor David Miller should be tied into a chair, beaten with a lead pipe and then fired out of a cannon.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=541874

I can't believe this neosocialist clotpole - "things are so bad that some citizens want guns to defend themselves?" Well, David, it should be intuitively obvious that the best thing to do is disarm the potential victims then, isn't it?

It is equally intuitively obvious that common sense hasn't been seen in Toronto for quite some time. Looking into my crystal ball, I see climbing crime rates, a lucrative black market for handguns (and rest assured, if I lived in that bechitted city, I would buy in that market and David Miller could go pound sand), and a bunch of neosocialist politicians bumbling around trying to blame imported American guns for Jamaican immigrant crime. You heard it here first!

Looks good on you liberal arseholes too. You punched your ticket, now enjoy the ride! Those of you that registered your guns...sorry about your luck.

[Dakota369]

It never ceases to amaze me how naive some people are on this issue. The vast majority of hand gun crime in Canada is due to illegal hand guns. Even legally registered guns that have been stolen are considered illegal, so I really don't see how this will impact anything. All he is doing is putting some buisnesses out of buisness. It's called pusturing, and a vapid attempt to appear to be doing something meaningful in response to public pressure. It's really to bad that he has not gone to the effort to do something that will actually have any impact!!

[Tundra Monkey]

He should give 1-800- HEY AUSTRALIA HOW'D IT WORK FOR YOU

a call

tm

[270WIN]

It worked real good in Northern Ireland too.

[TheClash]

i hope he also plans on banning, aotomobiles and automobile purchasing, collecting, storing and production. as well as baseball.....steak knives, pipes of any kind..sorry plumbers but they are dangerous.....

[Scott N]

Just another reason that they should build a wall around Toronto.... then fill it with water.

[CNP]

A good thing my come out of this. If this ban is in fact put into law, we'll see just how the ban works. We know it won't work. When gangs and whacko's continue to shoot it out, killing themselves and innocent people...we can say...told you so. That doesn't help all the legal gun owners who had their guns confiscated, but it may prevent this kind of thing from emigrating to other cities. Have at it Toronto. Not a good year for the city, loser Leafs, loser Jays, lose your guns...

[genek270]

Doesn't that just emphasize how different southern Ontario is from the West? Don't forget they have most of the population (and federal seats) too. I hope Harper is able to retain and add onto the seats from there.

[rugatika]

How can there be so many people in one location who are so chronically stupid. I am really beginning to question remaining in Canada. This is not just a David miller idea. This is an idea that is supported by Toronto people.

Now that Saskatchewan has elected a conservative government maybe it's time Alberta did the same. I think the time is coming for Western Canada to decide who it wants for it's political masters..

[RUM]

What an idiot......and what a bunch of idiots with their heads in the sand that support this dictator. Somebody needs to find a way to charge this knob with violating freedoms or something and lock him up. He's dangerous to the law abiding general public. What, is he too scared to stand on a public platform and threaten criminals so he goes after "his" people..... what a nutless, brainless, coward.

Is this what this country is coming to? People too scared of criminals to deal with them so put in a bunch of feel good laws to "appeal to the public"? What about the portion of the public who takes a realistic and educated view on the situation? What an idiot, I am borderline speechless. I hope the citizens of that province, and Canada, band together on this one and sit outside his office, home, send emails, whatever the case, to force this dictator to become a little more educated on what he is actually doing as opposed to trying to be some kinda hero for his people as I'm sure he figures.

[rugatika]

Coming soon to a municipality near you.

Does anyone here honestly think that Mayor Mandel or Bronconnier wouldn't try and pull this crap if they thought they could get away with it. We are maybe 15 or 20% of the vote away from one of these liberals pulling this crap right here in Alberta.

[outlaw'd]

the article says:
" TORONTO - Mayor David Miller announced a plan yesterday that would make all handguns illegal in Toronto, effectively shut down gun ranges and make it all but impossible to manufacture, assemble or store firearms within city limits."

With the wording here, what is law enforcement planning on using if this passes.....................big sticks? It says " ALL"...........

This guy is a total retard!

[Tako]

I'd be willing to bet my ridiculous salary that 90% of the handguns inside Toronto city limits are illegal ones. So there's really no point to it, except making something that's illegal more illegal. The 10% of responsible gun owners will have to take it in the arse, but really this whole thing has no effect on anything

Numbers are arbitrary of course. I don't really know anything about Toronto except for the way they vote: Liberal. This assumes very few gun owners.

Whatever. This will have no effect on anything

Originally Posted by outlaw'd

the article says:
" TORONTO - Mayor David Miller announced a plan yesterday that would make all handguns illegal in Toronto, effectively shut down gun ranges and make it all but impossible to manufacture, assemble or store firearms within city limits."

With the wording here, what is law enforcement planning on using if this passes.....................big sticks? It says " ALL"...........

This guy is a total retard!

I agree he is a retard but they did address that further down

"The gun report would exempt city police ranges, provincial or federal government facilities and "establishments operated by the Department of National Defence." The proposed zoning bylaw would be sent to a public meeting in September."

[TC7]

sounds to me like someone is little paranoid and the local police are a joke. how do you enforce that type of bylaw they are obviously going to be able to fine people . this looks to me like a bit of a test zone . most of the guns are coming through the local reserves. so what we seem to have is a bunch of whining people , then again these are the same people who called in the army a few years ago after a snow storm . maybe if the communties would give up the shooters and drug dealers they would not have as much crime . or if they police would start chasing down the bikers ,and the feds would start enforcing the laws on the local reserves they could cut back on the guns crossing in to ont.

[Jester]

Just sayin'

[Tuc]

Does anyone here honestly think that Mayor Mandel or Bronconnier wouldn't try and pull this crap if they thought they could get away with it. We are maybe 15 or 20% of the vote away from one of these liberals pulling this crap right here in Alberta.

I don't know about Mandel but Bronco, wouldn't dare. This wouldn't fly in Cow Town, the gun enthusiasts would be all over him like water on a wet blanket .

As far as T.O. goes, who cares, they're in a world of their own.

[moosemad]

Originally Posted by Rusty P. Bucket

Mayor David Miller should be tied into a chair, beaten with a lead pipe and then fired out of a cannon.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=541874

I can't believe this neosocialist clotpole - "things are so bad that some citizens want guns to defend themselves?" Well, David, it should be intuitively obvious that the best thing to do is disarm the potential victims then, isn't it?

It is equally intuitively obvious that common sense hasn't been seen in Toronto for quite some time. Looking into my crystal ball, I see climbing crime rates, a lucrative black market for handguns (and rest assured, if I lived in that bechitted city, I would buy in that market and David Miller could go pound sand), and a bunch of neosocialist politicians bumbling around trying to blame imported American guns for Jamaican immigrant crime. You heard it here first!

Looks good on you liberal arseholes too. You punched your ticket, now enjoy the ride! Those of you that registered your guns...sorry about your luck.

Here, Here.
What they should do is a mandatory 10 year sentence for anyone caught with an illegal gun, this may make the criminals think twice. This is starting to sound like Germany not so many years ago.

Originally Posted by Tuc

I don't know about Mandel but Bronco, wouldn't dare. This wouldn't fly in Cow Town, the gun enthusiasts would be all over him like water on a wet blanket .

As far as T.O. goes, who cares, they're in a world of their own.

OK sure they're in a world all there own but they have set a precedent for other citys to follow {Now that scares me}.So when someone says "WHO CARES "What they think I do .The noose on guns is already to tight.It effects eveyone that owns a gun or that wants two.

[rugatika]

the righteous mayor of some small law abiding town here in Alberta pass a bylaw calling for the ownership of a firearm in every household. I know it would just be symbolic, but it would be interesting to be able to hold the crime stats up just for the sake of rubbing Miller's nose in how severely him and his ilk have f*****d up this country.

I'd also like to see any federal law enforcement asked to leave the province and just have provincial officers enforcing the laws the province wishes to see enforced. But then I always been a bit of a dreamer.

[skywrench]

" TORONTO - Mayor David Miller announced a plan yesterday that would make all handguns illegal in Toronto, effectively shut down gun ranges and make it all but impossible to manufacture, assemble or store firearms within city limits."
Note that miller wants to make it impossible to store firearms within city limits. That creates an effective ban on all firearms. While the citizens of Toronto get what they deserve for electing such an individual, this creates a scary precedent. Check out Washington DC, a total ban on handguns as well as any functional firearm has been in place since 1976. DC became one of the most, if not the most violent cities in the US following the ban creating the urge for more gun laws if that's possible when they're already banned. You can bet if miller gets his way, other mayors from major cities will entertain the same thing regardless of the results in Toronto, after all it's like Allan Rock stated it's a good start (just like the countless other gun laws that don't work). Fortunately we live in a province where this would be extremely unlikely but it is a slippery slope that all gun owners will be affected by unless something is done as a group. Don't be guided by the thought that as long as they leave me alone I'll be alright as happened with C68 amongst others because sooner or later your duck gun or deer rifle will be next in their sights.

[GeoTrekr]

Originally Posted by moosemad

Here, Here.
What they should do is a mandatory 10 year sentence for anyone caught with an illegal gun, this may make the criminals think twice. This is starting to sound like Germany not so many years ago.

I'm all for the gangbangers getting locked up for 10 for wandering the streets with their '9 mil', but the problem with the mandatory sentence for an 'illegal gun' is that it can so easily be turned on otherwise law-abiding citizens based on a paper crime alone. 10 years because they didn't send your reg certificates fast enough (either on purpose or not) would be one example. We have too many possibilities for paper crimes that fall under such 'firearms offences' that would be subject to these mandatory minimums.

[CaberTosser]

Originally Posted by Tori

OK sure they're in a world all there own but they have set a president's for other citys to follow {Now that scares me}.

I hate to be a spelling Nazi, but am still compelled to help you from repeating the error. I think you intended to use "precedent".

As for Miller and his ivory tower cronies that voted this in despite its lack of merit, I had to shake my head. That they want to push their personal vendetta against firearms onto the whole country next is seriously worrying. Time to shake off the voter/citizen apathy before it happens to us by our own local "well-intentioned elected idiots" . Italicized due to the "good intentions" story being a guise to a personal agenda.

Will politicians ever serve their citizens instead grinding their owns axes? What actually important issues has Miller been ignoring in T.O. while spending so much time on this quest of his? That is, of course, besides his skyrocketing crime rate ................ the same one thats about to go from simply outrageous to downright incomprehensible.

[rugatika]

those of you with such inclinations should step forward and list the guns you would be willing to sacrifice in the hopes of Miller and his ilk leaving you alone. Browning BAR, lever actions, pumps? Black guns?

This whole thing just makes me sick that crap like this can go on in Canada. We've been taken over by a bunch of diaper wetting fairies that are scared of their own shadow and are willing to sacrifice their freedom and responsibility of safety for the PERCEIVED notion of safeness.

This is what happens when you ask the government to be the be all and end all to all your problems. We;re just reaping what we've sown.

Rug...out.