Opinions on APA

[JWCalgary]

Hey there! Looking forward opinions on the Viper Air from anyone that has one or tried one.

28.5 draw, 60#. Will be used for deer...eventually

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

Personally best bow out there right now...lol

Was never a short ATA bow shopoter...however the Viper AIR right out of the box I shot 8 Robin Hoods with first 80 arrows...couldnt believe how accurate it is, and how well I could shoot it...soooo comfortable and smooth,

Was a 20 yr Mathews shooter before the APA Air and Nano, shot the Nano and AIR and sold all the Mathews, Least problems of any bow I have ever owned...

Im 28/66 and shot pass thrus on elk...its all the bow I will ever need!

If needed parts are simply overnight delivery
Awesome quaility, inovations and Proud to be Canadian

Neil

[Douglas N]

Originally Posted by L.O.S.T.Arrow

Personally best bow out there right now...lol

Was never a short ATA bow shopoter...however the Viper AIR right out of the box I shot 8 Robin Hoods with first 80 arrows...couldnt believe how accurate it is, and how well I could shoot it...soooo comfortable and smooth,

Was a 20 yr Mathews shooter before the APA Air and Nano, shot the Nano and AIR and sold all the Mathews, Least problems of any bow I have ever owned...

Im 28/66 and shot pass thrus on elk...its all the bow I will ever need!

If needed parts are simply overnight delivery
Awesome quaility, inovations and Proud to be Canadian

Neil

Neil- you had to know saying anything is the best out there would draw controversy.

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

Originally Posted by Douglas N

Neil- you had to know saying anything is the best out there would draw controversy.

Doug ...yup was just a personal opinion as stated...guess I will just keep bow brand opinions to myself ...some just cant handle it, what started out with a personal opinion, taking and giving some banter and humour with friends ...sparked out the extreme hecklers...

Neil

[jlgsgw]

Great bows, and canadian company to boot, I highly doubt you'd be disapointed in any of their line up. Plus your not paying quite as much as some of the high end bows, but the quality is definitely there.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by jlgsgw

Great bows, and canadian company to boot, I highly doubt you'd be disapointed in any of their line up. Plus your not paying quite as much as some of the high end bows, but the quality is definitely there.

Actually in some cases you pay more than the high end bows, all depends on the the model and brand. APA seems to increase their bows with the U.S. dollar increases as well.

LC

[3blade]

I own a viper nano, have shot the viper air with LOST....personally I prefer the nano, hard to explain but it seems to settle on target better on longer shots for me. Slightly different balance. Air does have a slightly smoother draw though, if I was hunting strictly deer from treestands in close it might get the nod.

The viper nano is comparable to the Mathews helium, where the air is comparable to the DXT...if that helps any.

we are talking about the #1 and #2 bows on the planet IMO and splitting hairs. Either way you won't be sorry, APA makes an amazing bow.

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Actually in some cases you pay more than the high end bows, all depends on the the model and brand. APA seems to increase their bows with the U.S. dollar increases as well.

LC

Im sure APA will dissagree as they keep their prices on par as any other top end brand or model...Since APA takes approx a 40 lb plus block of Aircraft aluminum and machines their risers which if you look closely is almost twice as much machining as most bow brands with all their inovations...so it doesnt take a rocket scientist to see where price is coming from...

APA does adjust its price with the rise and fall of both dollars as does all US manufacturers and ALL Canadian distributors of any of those US bows or products...

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by L.O.S.T.Arrow

Im sure APA will dissagree as they keep their prices on par as any other top end brand or model...Since APA takes approx a 40 lb plus block of Aircraft aluminum and machines their risers which if you look closely is almost twice as much machining as most bow brands with all their inovations...so it doesnt take a rocket scientist to see where price is coming from...

APA does adjust its price with the rise and fall of both dollars as does all US manufacturers and ALL Canadian distributors of any of those US bows or products...

Let me try to understand

Looking at the MSRP of some other companies flagship bows they come in below that of some APA bows. Not sure how you can disagree with a published number .

So APA wastes more aluminum than other manufactures so that translates to higher costs for the consumer? Using a 40lb block of aluminum does not make the riser better/stronger/lighter....but it likely drives the cost up

You took exception to my point, but reread my points and your answer (basically you agree with me) so therefore my point is valid

LC

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Let me try to understand

Looking at the MSRP of some other companies flagship bows they come in below that of some APA bows. Not sure how you can disagree with a published number .

So APA wastes more aluminum than other manufactures so that translates to higher costs for the consumer? Using a 40lb block of aluminum does not make the riser better/stronger/lighter....but it likely drives the cost up

You took exception to my point, but reread my points and your answer (basically you agree with me) so therefore my point is valid

LC

Ummm Yaaaa....lol...ok use yer left side of the brain...appears that the right side is defective...lol

Neil

[jlgsgw]

Lol in some cases yes, go price out a hoyt , paying for the Name pretty much

[Zuludog]

So is APA increasing prices to keep pace with the US dollar? You'd think being made in Canada this wouldn't be the case unless they buy the materials for their risers in US dollars??

[diamond k]

I find the APA have a lot of vibration.

I have owned just about every brand and some I liked and some I hated but that is why they make differ bows for different people. You need to shoot it and make decision for your self

Right now I am shooting a Prime Ion and I think it is best now I have ever owned but that is just me.

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

Originally Posted by diamond k

I find the APA have a lot of vibration.

I have owned just about every brand and some I liked and some I hated but that is why they make differ bows for different people. You need to shoot it and make decision for your self

Right now I am shooting a Prime Ion and I think it is best now I have ever owned but that is just me.

Agreed on some of the low brace smokin fast bows there is a little...however tamed smooth with right stabilizer...the Solo cams are as smooth as any in fact my APA has less vibration feel than any of my Mathews solo's I have owned...

APA for me is just the feel is so right..balance, grip and follow thru...

Neil

[jlgsgw]

Originally Posted by L.O.S.T.Arrow

Agreed on some of the low brace smokin fast bows there is a little...however tamed smooth with right stabilizer...the Solo cams are as smooth as any in fact my APA has less vibration feel than any of my Mathews solo's I have owned...

APA for me is just the feel is so right..balance, grip and follow thru...

Neil

I didn't find my m5 had vibration, it was the first thing I noticed was how dead in hand it was, but maybe that was just compared to my old Martin lol, that one should been called the "Rattler" lol

[jlgsgw]

Lol I was just saying I had a good experience with my apa, I have no real preference, I'm not shooting an apa anymore, if I'd waited till the 16' line up I would've taken a real hard look at the new 36. My mention of hoyt was just my opinion about overpriced, they are a great bow I don't think anyone debates that. I just get a kick out of guys just getting into the sport and feeling they need a $1800 to start. In my world it's like a guy buying a $300 stiletto hammer before you learn how to swing a $5 powerfist hammer from princess auto lol but hey, ya gotta keep up with the Jones's

[jlgsgw]

Lol haters gonna hate

[JWCalgary]

Thanks for the great info everyone! Good to hear from the people in the know. No matter what fan boy club try are part of .

I'll check out the recommends this weekend.

Thanks again

[diamond k]

If you get a chance try a prime Ion. You will be pleasantly surprised.

[338Bluff]

Originally Posted by JWCalgary

Hey there! Looking forward opinions on the Viper Air from anyone that has one or tried one.

28.5 draw, 60#. Will be used for deer...eventually

I have not shot the Viper but I've shot a couple of Mamba's for awhile. They are good, durable bows. A few years back the paint chipped off a little too easy but they have fixed this.

I did have a few limbs splinter a bit after I'd shot about 10000+ arrows through them. They replaced the limbs free of charge. If if had to guess I've shot about 3-4 times as many through both bows since then. It might have been a flaw or I could have whacked it on something. At any rate I've had to replace limbs on Hoyts, Dartons and Brownings so it is no shocker.

I've shot 17 bows from 5 different manufacturers. They all have their good and bad points. I'm shooting a Bowtech Boss as well right now and honestly its tough to say I have a favorite, it just feels a little different. Might point and hold a little better. The APA is faster with the same arrows.

The riser is functional. The handle helps add support to the riser as well as providing a more comfortable grip and carrying it out hunting. The fang? Don't knock it until you've hung your bow on a limb to use your call, check your gps or dig something out of your pack. Once you got it you will use it.

Will agree the knife sharpener is fluff. Go shoot a few bows. Pretty sure you won't be disappointed with an APA just like you won't be disappointed with a Bowtech or Hoyt. Just stay away from the package/starter kits. You will be upgrading in a year if the bow bug bites you.

[C Taylor]

The viper is a nice smooth hard hitting bow. The m36 is my favorite, I used to hunt with the m7's but the 36 is just too nice to leave at home. I like a handle on the riser, most my hunting is stalking and I'd be lost without it. The soft touch paint apa has come out with this year is way warmer on the hands in colder weather. The only problem with it is that it doesn't slide in your grip as much and it takes some practice not to torque your grip.

[madball]

I purchased a Mamba M7 a year and a half ago. It was my first bow and I liked the fact they were Canadian. I also was able to get a pro staff price on it through work which definitely helped the decision making process.

Based on my skills at the time I very much enjoyed the bow. After about 9 months I decided archery was something I would be staying with and decided to purchase a Hoyt Nitrum 34. I based this decision on conversations with some industry people including a few guys from Bowtech and other companies. I'm also a big hunting nerd and Cameron Hanes shoots a Nitrum. I figured if its good enough for a guy who shoots as much as he does, it'll be more that suitable for me.

Every aspect of shooting is infinitely more enjoyable with the Hoyt. WAY less vibration, it has a much more stable "feel" in the hand. The draw cycle is noticeably smoother and there is way less movement after the release. The craftsmanship and fit and finish on the Hoyt is a million times better as well.

I do miss the hook on the riser but thats literally it. I bought a $12 screw in the tree type bow hook and took care of that aspect too.

[Enewman]

It's funny how differnt people feel,differently. My m5 had vibration. Easy fix. Compaired to the Hoyt nitrum turbo. The m5 draws better to me.

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

BTW for the hand sharpen broadhead shooters thats not only a knife sharpener...it touches up those broadheads razor sharp...

Neil

[SportHuntingHelp]

In all honesty ever pro shop has a certain bow they push. My preference is Prime but that's just what I shoot and like the feel of. Try a bunch of bows and buy what fits you even if your offered a free sticker with that APA Just kidding do your research and make your choice.

[jlgsgw]

Can't remember the last time I heard someone say I would have got that deer if only my bow was shooting 5 fps faster lol don't get so caught up on speed people ?

[Enewman]

I look at the speed. I'm a short draw that likes heavy arrows. So speed is what I look at. The m5 I bought is doing ok. It's drawing around 26 5/8 to 26 12/16 on a 25.5 mod. I just tested a arrow last night It shot a 521 gn arrow 253 at 66 lbs.

[J.B.]

Originally Posted by jlgsgw

Can't remember the last time I heard someone say I would have got that deer if only my bow was shooting 5 fps faster lol don't get so caught up on speed people ?

No, but if i do screw up and hit a deers shoulder, its nice to now i can blow right through and still get a double lung shot. Or on a hard quartering shot know i have enough KE to easily penetrate the vitals and quite possibly get an exit wound as well. Im quite happy shooting 280-290fps with an arrow thats 450 to 500 grains...

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

Oppps...Some of you Techno-whizzez didnt see the point about hijacking the OPs simple question and post!!!!

So here is the place for that Homers...
http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=278612

slam away there...

lol

Neil

[jlgsgw]

Originally Posted by J.B.

No, but if i do screw up and hit a deers shoulder, its nice to now i can blow right through and still get a double lung shot. Or on a hard quartering shot know i have enough KE to easily penetrate the vitals and quite possibly get an exit wound as well. Im quite happy shooting 280-290fps with an arrow thats 450 to 500 grains...

Spend more time practicing and less time trying to figure out a way around accuracy, with the speed your shooting accompanied with that heavy of an arrow you'll be fine with regardless.