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06-15-2013, 11:01 PM
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The main stream media has yet to break an Obama scandal, Bengazi, the IRS scandal and now the Spy scandal all broken by Internet news media. Those that get there news from CNN, CTV ect are clueless to what is really going on.
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Edward Snowden, who is the guy that provided all that juicy secret info, went to a film maker by the name of Laura Poitras. She put him in touch with a couple of reporters who work for The Guardian and The Washington Post who wrote the stories.
The Guardian is one of the largest dailies in the UK, it was founded in 1821. The Washington Post is the oldest(1871) and most widely read newspaper published in the US capital. It has a very long history of these sorts of things, maybe you've heard of the Watergate scandal?
Explain how these are not "mainstream" media sources please.
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06-16-2013, 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by chasingtail
The main stream media has yet to break an Obama scandal, Bengazi, the IRS scandal and now the Spy scandal all broken by Internet news media. Those that get there news from CNN, CTV ect are clueless to what is really going on.
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What news are you watching?
First off... why would CTV really care about some of what you mentioned?
CTV is Canadian.
Second Bengazi is hardly a scandal.
The democrates owned it... the republicans voted down funds for better security and they also lost embassy staff during their turn on top.
The only real scandals are the IRS thing and the spying.
And... every news service has carried that stuff.
People just are not that interested in most of it.
The world is a big place... lts going on and people have short attention spans.
The news folks don't get to creat news... they follow it but... they also have to stay current and compete for viewers.
The result is that unless it makes a big splash out of the gate and gets people really worked up... they move on.
If we want to talk about clueless and not knowing what is going on... why are Canadians focused on those things when we have our own government spying on us and sharing the information taken...with the US government?
Why are Canadian news chennels not hammering away at that?
Again...probably because the Senator thing and Ford thing are more sexy and they have ad time to sell.
Its not a conspiracy... its just business.
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06-16-2013, 09:43 AM
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What news are you watching?
First off... why would CTV really care about some of what you mentioned?
CTV is Canadian.
Second Bengazi is hardly a scandal.
The democrates owned it... the republicans voted down funds for better security and they also lost embassy staff during their turn on top.
The only real scandals are the IRS thing and the spying.
And... every news service has carried that stuff.
People just are not that interested in most of it.
The world is a big place... lts going on and people have short attention spans.
The news folks don't get to creat news... they follow it but... they also have to stay current and compete for viewers.
The result is that unless it makes a big splash out of the gate and gets people really worked up... they move on.
If we want to talk about clueless and not knowing what is going on... why are Canadians focused on those things when we have our own government spying on us and sharing the information taken...with the US government?
Why are Canadian news chennels not hammering away at that?
Again...probably because the Senator thing and Ford thing are more sexy and they have ad time to sell.
Its not a conspiracy... its just business.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journal...Obama-Scandals
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06-16-2013, 09:51 AM
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LOL the Guardian and Post is MSM ....
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Originally Posted by midgetwaiter
The Guardian is one of the largest dailies in the UK, it was founded in 1821. The Washington Post is the oldest(1871) and most widely read newspaper published in the US capital. It has a very long history of these sorts of things, maybe you've heard of the Watergate scandal?
Explain how these are not "mainstream" media sources please.
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... Pls Share with us what % of average Joe Canadians can access ( or read for that matter ) the washington Post and the Guardian ?
TBD
PS ... do you know what the term "MSM" refers to in Canada - it's not dictated by how long the publication's been in print - LOL
... I'll give ya hint - it's the stuff that's FREE and you can't GET AWAY from CNN CBC CTV ect think "propaganda" ...
... Oh wait it's too late for you - they've "Brain Washed" ya'all ready !
*** note to AOL forum - DO NOT sell this man GUNS !!
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Originally Posted by TBD
... Pls Share with us what % of average Joe Canadians can access ( or read for that matter ) the washington Post and the Guardian ?
TBD
PS ... do you know what the term "MSM" refers to in Canada ?
... I'll give ya hint - it's the stuff that's FREE and you can't GET AWAY from -- think "propaganda" ...
... Oh wait it's too late for you - they've "Brain Washed" ya'all ready !
*** note to AOL forum - DO NOT sell this man GUNS !!
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Ummm probably around the same percentage that have the Internet or smart phones.
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06-16-2013, 10:17 AM
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Okay brownbomber tell us ...
what percentage of Canadians receive their news from the Guardian / Post VS CNN CBC and CTV (the more popular mainstream media sources) ?
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06-16-2013, 12:35 PM
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Not sure i imagine that many click on the first story that pops up on google news. They come from a wide variety of sources if you aren't familiar with it. I'm sure the stats are out there if you are really curious.
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06-16-2013, 01:02 PM
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Right... thousands of jounalists are not doing their job but some Glenn Beck wannabe that most folks have never heard of is right on top of it all.
Thats right.
All of those others are being influenced but he alone is standing up against the full power that all those conspirators weild.
Or... is he just another guy trying to make a name for himself and sell ad space in a tough market by witing sensationalistic articles that appeal to a fringe audience?
Granted the man has not always been wrong but he has certainly displayed an undeniable agenda and blind bias of his own.
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06-16-2013, 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by pesky672
Right... thousands of jounalists are not doing their job but some Glenn Beck wannabe that most folks have never heard of is right on top of it all.
Thats right.
All of those others are being influenced but he alone is standing up against the full power that all those conspirators weild.
Or... is he just another guy trying to make a name for himself and sell ad space in a tough market by witing sensationalistic articles that appeal to a fringe audience?
Granted the man has not always been wrong but he has certainly displayed an undeniable agenda and blind bias of his own.
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I have read a lot of your posts, you have over 7000 of them. Never took you for a Media/Government hack. The MSM has a hard on for Obama and have been covering up anything bad about him for years. The MSM is 100% propaganda. If it wasn't for the internet we would still all think Bengazi happen because of a Youtube video.
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I actually like s lot of what he has to say, but he needs to brush up on his tv manners. And going "infowars.com" after every sentence further deducts from his credibility.
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06-17-2013, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by chasingtail
I have read a lot of your posts, you have over 7000 of them. Never took you for a Media/Government hack. The MSM has a hard on for Obama and have been covering up anything bad about him for years. The MSM is 100% propaganda. If it wasn't for the internet we would still all think Bengazi happen because of a Youtube video.
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Relax.
The problem with all of these guys is that they select and ignore inconvenient facts.
The best lies are about 95% truth.
Did your man complain loudly when embassy staff died during the previous admin?
Does he go on and on about Republicans voting against increasing security at embassies?
If there is a conspiracy by the world banks... does it take a break or suffer a setback when a conservative is in power... in Canada or in the US?
No, no and no.
Fact is... if there is a world banking conspiracy... it involves both right and left wingers.
To wit... there is only one political party and that is the party of the rich and anyone that panders to party politics is only assisting them to undermine his rights.
Aside from that... Benghazi is hardly worth mentioning when compared to the big lies about WMD's, who attacked the US, when the war was over, closing Gitmo, spying, lost billions, the mortage meltdown the war on drugs, the IRS thing, Acorn etc etc.
Finally... it is all just noise until people start to make torches and buy rope and that won't happen until ordinary folks stop allowing big wigs that call themselves conservative or liberal from dividing them.
We all have the same problem.... and it isn't the guy down the street that voted liberal or the one next door that voted conservative.
Its the guys that work to set us all appart from one another by pointing out differences rather than try to bring us together... focusing on common concerns.
Divided we fall.... and the party of the rich knows that.
Nothing will change for us until will force accountability.
Every voter of every ideology should force that to be issue number one until it is resolved. It should be the ONLY political issue that voters care about right now.
We need to take back control from our servants.... once that is done... we can get to the small stuff.
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06-17-2013, 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TBD
what percentage of Canadians receive their news from the Guardian / Post VS CNN CBC and CTV (the more popular mainstream media sources) ?
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If CTV airs a story about the Guardian's exposé of the NSA program then who are you getting the "news" from?
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06-17-2013, 06:33 AM
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so your saying the Guardian broke the story ....
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... and their part of Canada's MSM ??
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06-17-2013, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by TBD
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... and their part of Canada's MSM ??
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So what are you telling us, CBC and ctv aren't any good? That's all that "normal" or uninformed Canadians use as a news source?
What I'm gathering is you wanna tell us in a passive aggressive way that all we watch is crap and we only watch canadian based news sources and we don't know what's going on but you do? That about cover it?
Not saying you don't have good points about the media and how everybody from CBC to fox decides to cover events.
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06-17-2013, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by pesky672
Relax.
The problem with all of these guys is that they select and ignore inconvenient facts.
The best lies are about 95% truth.
Did your man complain loudly when embassy staff died during the previous admin?
Does he go on and on about Republicans voting against increasing security at embassies?
If there is a conspiracy by the world banks... does it take a break or suffer a setback when a conservative is in power... in Canada or in the US?
No, no and no.
Fact is... if there is a world banking conspiracy... it involves both right and left wingers.
To wit... there is only one political party and that is the party of the rich and anyone that panders to party politics is only assisting them to undermine his rights.
Aside from that... Benghazi is hardly worth mentioning when compared to the big lies about WMD's, who attacked the US, when the war was over, closing Gitmo, spying, lost billions, the mortage meltdown the war on drugs, the IRS thing, Acorn etc etc.
Finally... it is all just noise until people start to make torches and buy rope and that won't happen until ordinary folks stop allowing big wigs that call themselves conservative or liberal from dividing them.
We all have the same problem.... and it isn't the guy down the street that voted liberal or the one next door that voted conservative.
Its the guys that work to set us all appart from one another by pointing out differences rather than try to bring us together... focusing on common concerns.
Divided we fall.... and the party of the rich knows that.
Nothing will change for us until will force accountability.
Every voter of every ideology should force that to be issue number one until it is resolved. It should be the ONLY political issue that voters care about right now.
We need to take back control from our servants.... once that is done... we can get to the small stuff.
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Well said.
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06-17-2013, 08:13 AM
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ALot of assumptions here BROWNBOMBER ....
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Originally Posted by brownbomber
So what are you telling us, CBC and ctv aren't any good?
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CBC and the CTV are both politically active in Canada and promote those interests SHAMELESSLY !
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That's all that "normal" or uninformed Canadians use as a news source?
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NO - its considered MSM in Canada because these are the sources always in our FACE - people need to PAY $$ or make an EFFORT to get another news organizations perspective. ASIDE from "global" but their owned by American interests anyways ...
Nice attempt at a DE-rail but NO I'm not insinuating Canadians hopelessly eat the garbage fed to us everyday on TV
I try to get as many different perspectives as I can from the UK liberal Rag "the Guardian" to US Fox and everything in between. It's actually quiet easy and FREE if you do a little research you can get E-library and Newspaper Direct Press with your CPL library Card.
What I'm doing is AGREE'ng with "chasingTail" in his suggestion to "Midg" (who seems HELL bent to discredit him) that "some" internet news casts like INFO wars are ALSO just as legitamate news sources ....
That About CLEAR IT UP FOR YA !
TBD
PS ... and when can we expect those STATS !
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06-17-2013, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by TBD
What I'm doing is AGREE'ng with "chasingTail" in his suggestion to "Midg" (who seems HELL bent to discredit him) that "some" internet news casts like INFO wars are ALSO just as legitamate news sources ....
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Chasing Tail made a simple statement, that these internet news sources broke the NSA story, among others. In the case of the NSA analyst leaking the PRISM story he is wrong. Simple fact.
I did't dis your fat jesus.
I don't need to, Jones et al do a fine job of making themselves look stupid on a regular basis,
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06-17-2013, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by TBD
CBC and the CTV are both politically active in Canada and promote those interests SHAMELESSLY !
NO - its considered MSM in Canada because these are the sources always in our FACE - people need to PAY $$ or make an EFFORT to get another news organizations perspective. ASIDE from "global" but their owned by American interests anyways ...
Nice attempt at a DE-rail but NO I'm not insinuating Canadians hopelessly eat the garbage fed to us everyday on TV
I try to get as many different perspectives as I can from the UK liberal Rag "the Guardian" to US Fox and everything in between. It's actually quiet easy and FREE if you do a little research you can get E-library and Newspaper Direct Press with your CPL library Card.
What I'm doing is AGREE'ng with "chasingTail" in his suggestion to "Midg" (who seems HELL bent to discredit him) that "some" internet news casts like INFO wars are ALSO just as legitamate news sources ....
That About CLEAR IT UP FOR YA !
TBD
PS ... and when can we expect those STATS !
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I already knew most of the above statements but I'm surprised you did with your constant question marks?? Haha I was pointing you in the right direction for the stats? ? Because you were asking ? What percentage ? Not me
MSM MSM ?? Follows MSM that's right, I'm sure if you google it right can figure it out.
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