Minions ...

[score]

Those ignoring the people that dislike the NDP and believe that socialist philosophy is a good way of living in this country are acting in a typical way. It's what they do. They are loud until confronted. They cannot stand reading it. They get angry. They just can't deal with truth. It's actually quite simple.

We vote. Vote for whoever you want. Wish you'd not vote socialist. There are all kinds of countless examples as to why you shouldn't but you ignore the facts, the precedents.

Those the are trying to dissuade people from voting NDP are trying to save the country they love. It's not as simple as having a dislike for Harper if you do. It's a poor reason to vote in a party that will ruin the country.

So ignore away. It's what you do and it's a huge part of the problem. It's ignorance.

Remember though. What we all are doing is far to important to ignore.

[Luxor]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

I don't have inside info on their budgeting process, sorry.

I do expect performance from them.

Don't know what "loan of $6billion" you're referring to, unless it's the borrowing cap (like a line of credit).

Some of it will come from business taxes, sure. If you have a problem with business contributing to the society who'se resources they benefit from, that's too bad.

What do you mean "cutting back oil production and export lines"?

Don't know what the plan is with regard to carbon "tax", bud. They just announced the committee the other day.

Alberta NDP is more closely aligned with the Lougheed Conservatives. Read up on it for yourself. I liked the Lougheed Conservatives. Too bad Getty, et al, threw it all away.

They're not going to be giving me anything, Luxor.

You do realize that the NDP is anti oil right???
Or anti fossil fuel.
The NDP is closer to the Green party than anyone else.
Good health care and education is always a plus.
But you can't be a negative influence on what really drives AB......OIL !!!!!!
Businesses already contribute. Not to mention drive the job structures.
The NDP is not your friend.....though they'll give you a few social platitudes.
They are in reality as greedy as sin.

In time....you and others will see.
Its still early
And believe me.....the scheming is under way behind the scenes

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by Luxor

You do realize that the NDP is anti oil right???
Or anti fossil fuel.
The NDP is closer to the Green party than anyone else.
Good health care and education is always a plus.
But you can't be a negative influence on what really drives AB......OIL !!!!!!
Businesses already contribute. Not to mention drive the job structures.
The NDP is not your friend.....though they'll give you a few social platitudes.
They are in reality as greedy as sin.

In time....you and others will see.
Its still early
And believe me.....the scheming is under way behind the scenes

Notley has stated they support the Alberta oil industry, as well as the Trans-Mountain and Energy East pipelines.

The Federal NDP....well, Mulcair et al lost my vote when he posed with some anti-vaxxers and anti GMOers. McQuaig's comment was irresponsible (if you want to see something neat, look at the area covered by the Oilsands as opposed to our cities. The amount of the environment devastated by Toronto, for example, is many times that of the pits of the sands). I'll not comment further, as I am not a blind "minion" to any party.

Here's some historical tax rates. (you'll note that under Klein they were 15.5%) http://www.finance.alberta.ca/public...tes/hist1.html so obviously they can thrive under a greater tax burden, as that's when King Ralph paid off the provincial debt, and everything was milk and honey.

With regard to competence and schemeing, the PC's proved they could run deficits during economic booms, and were rotten to the core. The NDP will probably hold off on that level of corruption for at least a term or two.

Anyway, whatever.

We'll see where we are in 4 years.

[260 Rem]

Score - There are no absolutes in policy regardless of Party. The Cons support lots of "socialist" stuff, and the ND's support lots of "capitalist" stuff. Both right and left have been rushing to the center because that is where the majority of electors are positioned. I'm sure we all "love our country".
It is becoming clear that the minions in Harper's office saw no issue with deceiving the public because they felt it would please the boss. The stink is on Harper.
When there is questionable integrity at the top, it is not a stretch to believe it is not pervasive in the organization that enables it. Honesty is never a bad policy.

[Luxor]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

Notley has stated they support the Alberta oil industry, as well as the Trans-Mountain and Energy East pipelines.

The Federal NDP....well, Mulcair et al lost my vote when he posed with some anti-vaxxers and anti GMOers. McQuaig's comment was irresponsible (if you want to see something neat, look at the area covered by the Oilsands as opposed to our cities. The amount of the environment devastated by Toronto, for example, is many times that of the pits of the sands). I'll not comment further, as I am not a blind "minion" to any party.

Here's some historical tax rates. (you'll note that under Klein they were 15.5%) http://www.finance.alberta.ca/public...tes/hist1.html so obviously they can thrive under a greater tax burden, as that's when King Ralph paid off the provincial debt, and everything was milk and honey.

With regard to competence and schemeing, the PC's proved they could run deficits during economic booms, and were rotten to the core. The NDP will probably hold off on that level of corruption for at least a term or two.

Anyway, whatever.

We'll see where we are in 4 years.

It doesnt help your arguement at all by still bashing the PC's !!!
That part of the game is over.
And its no excuse to being pro NDP at all !!!!
She says pro oil ......ok....ya whatever

Bask in the glory in your choice

[Dynamic]

Originally Posted by Luxor

Oh ok

How bout you quit telling members where to post and how much to post?
Hmm???

Or just leave it alone and move onto a topic you are happy with ????
Hmmm????

How bout whenever there is a thread that is about the ndp please name the topic better, at least so I know to avoid the topic completely. Pretty pleeeeeese!!!! This forum is like a minefield of crappy ndp threads that are disguised as something interesting or new.

On many other forums a thread is started that contains all discussion about a certain topic, so let's start a " all ndp" discussion thread. That way every little tidbit or news story doesn't flood the board. Just a suggestion....

[Luxor]

Originally Posted by 260 Rem

Score - There are no absolutes in policy regardless of Party. The Cons support lots of "socialist" stuff, and the ND's support lots of "capitalist" stuff. Both right and left have been rushing to the center because that is where the majority of electors are positioned. I'm sure we all "love our country".
It is becoming clear that the minions in Harper's office saw no issue with deceiving the public because they felt it would please the boss. The stink is on Harper.
When there is questionable integrity at the top, it is not a stretch to believe it is not pervasive in the organization that enables it. Honesty is never a bad policy.

"Honesty is never a bad policy"

Remember your words 26

You pro dippers dont even have a clue what you did.

just pure guesswork and thoughts of fairytale endings

you'll see soon enough

Why do you think they erased their website on elections night???
Honesty would be the answer

[Luxor]

Originally Posted by Dynamic

How bout whenever there is a thread that is about the ndp please name the topic better, at least so I know to avoid the topic completely. Pretty pleeeeeese!!!! This forum is like a minefield of crappy ndp threads that are disguised as something interesting or new.

On many other forums a thread is started that contains all discussion about a certain topic, so let's start a " all ndp" discussion thread. That way every little tidbit or news story doesn't flood the board. Just a suggestion....

You are in control of your computer functions

move on son

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by Luxor

It doesnt help your arguement at all by still bashing the PC's !!!
That part of the game is over.
And its no excuse to being pro NDP at all !!!!
She says pro oil ......ok....ya whatever

Bask in the glory in your choice

So, I can't refer to PC history, yet you can dismiss NDP based on history?

You can make up wild suppositions, and I can't use the words out of people's mouths?

Cool, bro.

[Luxor]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

So, I can't refer to PC history, yet you can dismiss NDP based on history?

You can make up wild suppositions, and I can't use the words out of people's mouths?

Cool, bro.

OMG !!!!!

Can you not see the difference !!!!!

You are using the PC's faults to endorse your NDP choice.

Where as I am using the very same party to make my point.
Its not old ndp vs new ndp.
Its the same party man !!!!!

How can anyone not understand the simple difference !!!!!

I gotta go.....
I can no longer deal with this crud

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by Luxor

OMG !!!!!

Can you not see the difference !!!!!

You are using the PC's faults to endorse your NDP choice.

Where as I am using the very same party to make my point.
Its not old ndp vs new ndp.
Its the same party man !!!!!

How can anyone not understand the simple difference !!!!!

Meh, read the NDP platform and compare it to the Lougheed platform. Heck, read political history of Alberta. It's pretty interesting.

This was just another swing to the slightly left of center, that typically happens in Alberta every few decades.

If you don't understand that, there's no sense continuing this conversation, as it seems that you can only see red when you see anything other than blue.

Have a good night.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

Meh, read the NDP platform and compare it to the Lougheed platform. Heck, read political history of Alberta. It's pretty interesting.

This was just another swing to the slightly left of center, that typically happens in Alberta every few decades.

If you don't understand that, there's no sense continuing this conversation, as it seems that you can only see red when you see anything other than blue.

Have a good night.

It was Lougheed that sold us out via the NEP...

[sns2]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

Notley has stated they support the Alberta oil industry, as well as the Trans-Mountain and Energy East pipelines.

The Federal NDP....well, Mulcair et al lost my vote when he posed with some anti-vaxxers and anti GMOers. McQuaig's comment was irresponsible (if you want to see something neat, look at the area covered by the Oilsands as opposed to our cities. The amount of the environment devastated by Toronto, for example, is many times that of the pits of the sands). I'll not comment further, as I am not a blind "minion" to any party.

Here's some historical tax rates. (you'll note that under Klein they were 15.5%) http://www.finance.alberta.ca/public...tes/hist1.html so obviously they can thrive under a greater tax burden, as that's when King Ralph paid off the provincial debt, and everything was milk and honey.

With regard to competence and schemeing, the PC's proved they could run deficits during economic booms, and were rotten to the core. The NDP will probably hold off on that level of corruption for at least a term or two.

Anyway, whatever.

We'll see where we are in 4 years.

Why are you clouding their distorted version of reality with facts? Take it easy on them. Change comes hard to some minions. Not all, but some. Actually, a few of them are pretty darn good guys

[sns2]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

Meh, read the NDP platform and compare it to the Lougheed platform. Heck, read political history of Alberta. It's pretty interesting.

This was just another swing to the slightly left of center, that typically happens in Alberta every few decades.

If you don't understand that, there's no sense continuing this conversation, as it seems that you can only see red when you see anything other than blue.

Have a good night.

Your waging a losing battle with that fella.

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by hal53

It was Lougheed that sold us out via the NEP...

There is more stupid in that statement than I have time for at the moment. You sure are misinformed.

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by sns2

Why are you clouding their distorted version of reality with facts? Take it easy on them. Change comes hard to some minions. Not all, but some. Actually, a few of them are pretty darn good guys

In person, I'm sure they're all pretty good guys.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

There is more stupid in that statement than I have time for at the moment. You sure are misinformed.

Really???, please explain oh wise one.....with no doubt another one of your narrow minded superior comments...

[hal53]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

In person, I'm sure they're all pretty good guys.

Well at least we don't call you stupid....

[Luxor]

Originally Posted by sns2

Your waging a losing battle with that fella.

I can take solice in the fact that over 88% of AO members have voted Harper on the elections poll thread.
So that tells me that the majority of people here are very smart

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by Dynamic

How bout whenever there is a thread that is about the ndp please name the topic better, at least so I know to avoid the topic completely. Pretty pleeeeeese!!!! This forum is like a minefield of crappy ndp threads that are disguised as something interesting or new.

On many other forums a thread is started that contains all discussion about a certain topic, so let's start a " all ndp" discussion thread. That way every little tidbit or news story doesn't flood the board. Just a suggestion....

Don't think you will ever see a designated NDP thread as this is a WR message board and trashing the NDP, regardless of thread title or actual topic is encouraged. Much better to just add the bashers to the loony bin, then you wont see them.

[Luxor]

Originally Posted by bobalong

Don't think you will ever see a designated NDP thread as this is a WR message board and trashing the NDP, regardless of thread title or actual topic is encouraged. Much better to just add the bashers to the loony bin, then you wont see them.

Ahh yes

More high brow witicism from the socialist heirarchy

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by bobalong

Don't think you will ever see a designated NDP thread as this is a WR message board and trashing the NDP, regardless of thread title or actual topic is encouraged. Much better to just add the bashers to the loony bin, then you wont see them.

Excellent idea. I'll take care of that right now.

[sns2]

Originally Posted by Luxor

I can take solice in the fact that over 88% of AO members have voted Harper on the elections poll thread.
So that tells me that the majority of people here are very smart

Right on. I'm voting Harper too. He's far from perfect, but then so are we. The best option we have, imo.

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by hal53

Really???, please explain oh wise one.....with no doubt another one of your narrow minded superior comments...

Lougheed was militantly anti-federalst, and fought for provincial powers. To state otherwise is to blatantly misrepresent the truth.

Whether that's because you're misinformed or knowingly stating things you know to be untrue, I don't know.

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by hal53

Well at least we don't call you stupid....

Sure you do.

Anyway, I called your statement stupid.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

Lougheed was militantly anti-federalst, and fought for provincial powers. To state otherwise is to blatantly misrepresent the truth.

Whether that's because you're misinformed or knowingly stating things you know to be untrue, I don't know.

He fought for provincial powers over resources after he got snookered on the NEP deal, at that time he thought a $16.00/bbl. floor price was a pretty good deal, as a lawyer he should have read the small print...over to you wise one....were you in the delegation of oilmen that went to Ottawa to protest the NEP?, my manager at the time was... .

[neznam]

You guys make it sound like one party is better than the other.
They're all crooks !!!!

For those of us who are not yet sure for whom to vote, just fined out who are the biggest financial doners for the party and that is who is going to be pulling the strings.

[Sneeze]

Lefty's just don't get it. They think right wing guys are like them, blindly following, incapable of self-thought and faithful to their political party regardless.

Let me make it clear to guys like 260... I don't like Harper. I think he is an Toronto born Pinko debt spending snooper who does everything he can not to rock the boat.

I vote for Harper's man in my riding.

I vote for him because he most closely aligns with my values.

I am not his minion. For this portion of my & his journey, we will travel together. We will go our separate ways if I find a better road to travel on.

You public sector guys need to stop trying to vote more for yourselves. Its counter productive and will eventually blow the whole thing up.

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by hal53

He fought for provincial powers over resources after he got snookered on the NEP deal, at that time he thought a $16.00/bbl. floor price was a pretty good deal, as a lawyer he should have read the small print...over to you wise one....were you in the delegation of oilmen that went to Ottawa to protest the NEP?, my manager at the time was... .

Saying it, doesn't make it so.

There are a couple of good biographies available for you to read, if you so choose.

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by Sneeze

SNIP

Let me make it clear to guys like 260... I don't like Harper. I think he is an Toronto born Pinko debt spending snooper who does everything he can not to rock the boat.

I vote for Harper's man in my riding.

I vote for him because he most closely aligns with my values.

I am not his minion. For this portion of my & his journey, we will travel together. We will go our separate ways if I find a better road to travel on.

SNIP

This is what I respect.

Thank you for stating it so clearly.