Soros, coal, Obama...together again

[rugatika]

Thought this was interesting.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...train-robbery/

My prediction is that, barring a Republican president who stops and reverses Obama’s anti coal jihad, bankrupt coal companies and their assets will be snapped up in bankruptcy by politically-correct and politically-favored Wall Street takeover firms. Unlike current coal industry management, the new coal owners will be Democrat-friendly.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-george-soros/

I predicted in this column last week that the left wasn’t going to kill off the coal industry so much as it was going to steal it. That prediction is already becoming true courtesy of billionaire George Soros.

U.S. Securities and Exchange Act filings indicate that Soros has purchased an initial 1 million shares of Peabody Energy and 553,200 shares of Arch Coal, the two largest publicly traded U.S. coal companies. As pointed out last week, both companies have been driven perilously close to bankruptcy by the combination of President Obama’s “war on coal” and inexpensive natural gas brought on by the hydrofracturing revolution.

[Wild&Free]

US politics is rigged.
Financial contributions to politicians and parties are protected as free speech thanks to a recent Supreme Court decision. Most politicians are bought by those with the capital to do so.

[score]

US politics is in an utter state of disgrace to put it mildly. Domestically a total mess. Foreign policy has become a world wide laughing stock if it wasn't so dangerous. Politicians and virtually all agencies are corrupt and embroiled in scandal. This is what happens when you have an out of control socialist micro-managing the country. The US is no longer an effective democracy under the current conditions. It's all broken.
It is clearly why the non-politicians are popular.

I think that maybe the people are finally waking up and I hope America becomes strong and patriotic and again leads the world.

If they don't they will become the leftist utopia of Europe. If Canada doesn't votes for Harper, we will follow into the hell hole of no return with them.

**This election here and the election in our neighbor nation are two of the most important elections in history IMO.** We are living at a cross roads and all I hear here is we need change. NO! WE DO NOT. We need to stop the madness of "change".

We both have two ways to go.

Just imagine for a moment the lying piece of **** Clinton and one of Trudeau or Mulcair running North America.

With the exponential magnitude of change that has consumed our nations, I'm not confident we can survive another four years of this so called change.

[Wild&Free]

Score, you do know that US foreign policy at it's core has not changed in decades right.

[JamesB]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

US politics is rigged.
Financial contributions to politicians and parties are protected as free speech thanks to a recent Supreme Court decision. Most politicians are bought by those with the capital to do so.

Unlike in Canada where just off the top of my head we have liberal friends on Ontario benefiting from gas plant closures, and wind farm subsidies.
All politicians are crooks. The left is just better at it because they like to keep telling the electorate that they have our best interests at heart.

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by JamesB

Unlike in Canada where just off the top of my head we have liberal friends on Ontario benefiting from gas plant closures, and wind farm subsidies.
All politicians are crooks. The left is just better at it because they like to keep telling the electorate that they have our best interests at heart.

If you believe it is only the left side of the spectrum who acts in this way I would have to say you're mistaken.

Soros has the Dems, Koch brothers have the republicans etc. etc.

[Luxor]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

Score, you do know that US foreign policy at it's core has not changed in decades right.

Really????

Do tell .....

[score]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

Score, you do know that US foreign policy at it's core has not changed in decades right.

NO WAY. You couldn't be more wrong if you think that Obama didn't run on fundamental foreign policy change and did exactly that for the last decade, I don't think you have a clue. I'm sorry W&F the world is on fire because of American withdrawal under Obama.

I could go on about the state of the military, etc., etc., etc.. There is far, far too much to type out here. You are wrong and really should study and rethink it all.

I can't fathom how anyone could think that.

edit: who did he call first after his oath? What happened in Egypt?, Israel?........................................... .......................on and on.

[Luxor]

Hey mr score

We may have slipped into the abyss of nonesense again.

Lets retreat soldier.....there are booby traps all around us

I'll cover ya...

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by score

NO WAY. You couldn't be more wrong if you think that Obama didn't run on fundamental foreign policy change and did exactly that for the last decade, I don't think you have a clue. I'm sorry W&F the world is on fire because of American withdrawal under Obama.

I could go on about the state of the military, etc., etc., etc.. There is far, far too much to type out here. You are wrong and really should study and rethink it all.

I can't fathom how anyone could think that.

edit: who did he call first after his oath? What happened in Egypt?, Israel?........................................... .......................on and on.

US foreign policy since Nixon, possibly since ww2 has been centered on 2 core principles.

Hegemony of the US dollar as the global reserve currency,
and
The creation and maintenance of a Uni-Polar global power base centered in Washington D.C.

Everything that the US government does internationally is based on those two principles.
the powers within the Washington establishment are not out to spread democracy, or bring about world peace or any other such nonsense lie they send out to be repeated ad nauseam by officials, and media pundints.

[elkivory]

Originally Posted by score

NO WAY. You couldn't be more wrong if you think that Obama didn't run on fundamental foreign policy change and did exactly that for the last decade, I don't think you have a clue. I'm sorry W&F the world is on fire because of American withdrawal under Obama.

I could go on about the state of the military, etc., etc., etc.. There is far, far too much to type out here. You are wrong and really should study and rethink it all.

I can't fathom how anyone could think that.

edit: who did he call first after his oath? What happened in Egypt?, Israel?........................................... .......................on and on.

x's 2!

Soros has already destroyed several countries, he is 85 now, and his ticket will get punched soon enough.

[score]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

US foreign policy since Nixon, possibly since ww2 has been centered on 2 core principles.

Hegemony of the US dollar as the global reserve currency,
and
The creation and maintenance of a Uni-Polar global power base centered in Washington D.C.

Everything that the US government does internationally is based on those two principles.
the powers within the Washington establishment are not out to spread democracy, or bring about world peace or any other such nonsense lie they send out to be repeated ad nauseam by officials, and media pundints.

Nope but I'm not going to argue with you about it W&F. Nor will I engage in a discussion with anyone with anti-American tendencies.

WW2 and Nixon

....

9/11 changed the world and Obama's policies changed the world, very possibly in far worse ways. He has not only pulled the US off the world stage but he has weakened the Nation significantly. I will add that he has also established an environment wherein the military lacks leadership and moral, not to mention his deep cuts. The US under Barack Obama is impotent and as a consequence, the world is burning.

I would argue that the world is more dangerous today than it's ever been including, by far, the Cold War. We and them have an obligation to help people and a greater obligation to protect ourselves. The number one duty of a leader is to protect the people not pursue his own ideological agendas.

[silverdoctor]

I often wonder if countries like Russia and China are devaluing themselves on purpose. They've already turned on US hegemony. Makes me wonder if they are going to head toward gold standard again.

That would be "the" game changer.

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by silverdoctor

I often wonder if countries like Russia and China are devaluing themselves on purpose. They've already turned on US hegemony. Makes me wonder if they are going to head toward gold standard again.

That would be "the" game changer.

They're moving towards more bilateral trade agreements that don't use US dollars.

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by score

Nope but I'm not going to argue with you about it W&F. Nor will I engage in a discussion with anyone with anti-American tendencies.

WW2 and Nixon

....

9/11 changed the world and Obama's policies changed the world, very possibly in far worse ways. He has not only pulled the US off the world stage but he has weakened the Nation significantly. I will add that he has also established an environment wherein the military lacks leadership and moral, not to mention his deep cuts. The US under Barack Obama is impotent and as a consequence, the world is burning.

I would argue that the world is more dangerous today than it's ever been including, by far, the Cold War. We and them have an obligation to help people and a greater obligation to protect ourselves. The number one duty of a leader is to protect the people not pursue his own ideological agendas.

you need to look at the wider picture because you're not seeing the forest through the trees my friend.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

They're moving towards more bilateral trade agreements that don't use US dollars.

That's yesterday's news.... They have "moved".

[score]

Of course China and Russia are manipulating their own markets. Russia may be hurting some but China devaluing it's currency is an act to make it difficult to compete with them. Another symptom of the lack of US leadership. Everyone is taking advantage of it.

[score]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

you need to look at the wider picture because you're not seeing the forest through the trees my friend.

You see it's pretty simple. I love the United States (I would have typed "like" but I love their system and most everything else). I hate that they have become so weak under Obama. I miss watching their patriotism. I'm very glad that they are our neighbours.

I don't think of them as an evil empire. I don't believe in conspiracy theories.

Are they perfect? Nope.

I understand that you don't see it that way.

So we can argue but I prefer not to. There isn't a point in doing so.

[silverdoctor]

Originally Posted by score

I don't think of them as an evil empire. I don't believe in conspiracy theories.

2 past sitting POTUS give warnings about current and future events, and you don't believe the "conspiracy".

People focus on Eisenhower's speech in '61 of the military industrial complex, but he also suffered a second warning.

"Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together"

Read that phrase and see if we can put it in some context based on today's knowledge.

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by score

You see it's pretty simple. I love the United States (I would have typed "like" but I love their system and most everything else). I hate that they have become so weak under Obama. I miss watching their patriotism. I'm very glad that they are our neighbours.

I don't think of them as an evil empire. I don't believe in conspiracy theories.

Are they perfect? Nope.

I understand that you don't see it that way.

So we can argue but I prefer not to. There isn't a point in doing so.

we've been over this score, I love everything the US stood for at its inception and through its early history. The actions of the contemporary US administrations however is highly suspect and counter to the origins of the US. The nation has been corrupted, and not just by Obama.

The American people are a great bunch of people, the Washington establishment however isn't.

[score]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

we've been over this score, I love everything the US stood for at its inception and through its early history. The actions of the contemporary US administrations however is highly suspect and counter to the origins of the US. The nation has been corrupted, and not just by Obama.

The American people are a great bunch of people, the Washington establishment however isn't.

I agree. The last almost eight years under Obama (like I said, and as you know, who ran on the mantra to "fundamentally change the United States") has very much done that at home and around the world. It is complicated and extensive to attempt to discuss it all here but yes, the US is an utter and complete mess. We all need them. The world needs them.

Obama is finished and he did what he said he would. Now he's golfing with Bill Clinton. What do you think they are talking about? Timing seems suspect, don't you think?

It's a shame. But, it can be rebuilt and I have faith in Americans to finally wake up and demand it. At least I'm hopeful.

Harper can't stand Obama but I believe he has done a good job. Harper can work with the next President (I don't think it will be Clinton). The Allies will also perk up and join the party again.

Often I'm pessimistic but I'm hopeful that the world will return to a state of normalcy/strength. We have to. We have no choice.

[Luxor]

Score

You are talking to a guy who only views the world from historical beginnings.

You won't get through to someone who cannot understand modern life.

Good luck but I'll tell you again......get out lol

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by score

I agree. The last almost eight years under Obama (like I said, and as you know, who ran on the mantra to "fundamentally change the United States") has very much done that at home and around the world. It is complicated and extensive to attempt to discuss it all here but yes, the US is an utter and complete mess. We all need them. The world needs them.

Obama is finished and he did what he said he would. Now he's golfing with Bill Clinton. What do you think they are talking about? Timing seems suspect, don't you think?

It's a shame. But, it can be rebuilt and I have faith in Americans to finally wake up and demand it. At least I'm hopeful.

Harper can't stand Obama but I believe he has done a good job. Harper can work with the next President (I don't think it will be Clinton). The Allies will also perk up and join the party again.

Often I'm pessimistic but I'm hopeful that the world will return to a state of normalcy/strength. We have to. We have no choice.

Things are definitely changing in the US, and you're right what Obama has promised has not been what he has delivered, or not in the form he promised it. I read a good article on counterpunch.org about Trump that listed 7 actions, if taken would start the US back on a better path. Serious work and restructing is needed though and I honestly believe to be done in accordance with the constitution would take several election cycles of all 3 branches and changes to the constitution to promote a better judiciary.

I personally don't feel that the world needs the US, its establishment causes far more problems then it fixes. The world cannot and should not be uni-polar, subservient to the will of Washington like so much of it currently is. The constitution was written to include several checks and balances to ensure power was kept as widely distributed among all citizens as possible, those checks and balances have been greatly eroded over several decades imho. I'll quote a response of Putin's when asked about the current uni polar dynamic, "God created us all equals."

I am not pessimistic about the future, the technology and the wide distribution of information currently available outstrips that of the American revolution, or the golden age of antiquity. How we utilize all this new information and technology will determine our success or failure as a civilization.

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by Luxor

Score

You are talking to a guy who only views the world from historical beginnings.

You won't get through to someone who cannot understand modern life.

Good luck but I'll tell you again......get out lol

History i one of the greatest teachers mankind posses.

I live in the modern world, to claim or allude to me being ignorant of reality is sheer arrogance on your part.

I have given you many opportunities to share with me better facts and better sources of information from which I produced my conclusions about modern and current affairs from only to hear crickets in response. If you have no desire, will or ability to assist me why do you continue to attempt to diminish my point of view. You are probably very much aware as am I that you have not provided any information to prove anything I have said to be wrong in political discussions. Saying I am wrong is the equivalent to burying your head in the sand and saying the sky has fallen. It may be your conclusion to the reality of that situtation, but that does not make it true.

[score]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

we've been over this score, I love everything the US stood for at its inception and through its early history. The actions of the contemporary US administrations however is highly suspect and counter to the origins of the US. The nation has been corrupted, and not just by Obama.

The American people are a great bunch of people, the Washington establishment however isn't.

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

History i one of the greatest teachers mankind posses.

I live in the modern world, to claim or allude to me being ignorant of reality is sheer arrogance on your part.

I have given you many opportunities to share with me better facts and better sources of information from which I produced my conclusions about modern and current affairs from only to hear crickets in response. If you have no desire, will or ability to assist me why do you continue to attempt to diminish my point of view. You are probably very much aware as am I that you have not provided any information to prove anything I have said to be wrong in political discussions. Saying I am wrong is the equivalent to burying your head in the sand and saying the sky has fallen. It may be your conclusion to the reality of that situtation, but that does not make it true.

This is to F&W (because it's just me rambling), of course history is important and everyone should have some understanding of it through time in order to understand the present. What happened and the course of events leads to knowledge of what's happening today and why. Of course you will get people who interpret history differently. That's all I'll say about that now and the following isn't going to be said in a explanatory way and perhaps is a bit harsh.......

For whatever reason, and we and others will interpret it all differently, everything is a mess, everywhere. Everything is out of control and there are many reasons for that. We are in a period of time that requires rapid, unconventional and purposeful intervention in order to STOP (immediately) the current and directional ways of our culture, society, our government, our legal system, media, and I could go on and on. Corruption is rampant......in government. Political correctness is out of control. It has ALL gotten really bad to put it all simply. To me it's very worrisome.

America is no longer the nation it was because of Barack Obama.
Canada's government is doing alright in the midst of it all. Harper has been doing just fine all things considered.
Society is %*^ked! Kids are generally %*^ked up, this generation and the next worry me. It must be acknowledged and dealt with.

I have my own ideas as to why but they are long and complex, though not hard to understand. And yes, the beginnings of all this mess began in history.

I know this sounds like a ramble but it would take pages to try to explain what I believe the problems to be.

To me all is totally out of control and unless severe actions are taken by our society life as we know it will cease to exist and the alternatives are unthinkable.

I'll stop now I considered not posting this but some will understand what I'm trying to say in a relatively short post............

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by score

This is to F&W (because it's just me rambling), of course history is important and everyone should have some understanding of it through time in order to understand the present. What happened and the course of events leads to knowledge of what's happening today and why. Of course you will get people who interpret history differently. That's all I'll say about that now and the following isn't going to be said in a explanatory way and perhaps is a bit harsh.......

For whatever reason, and we and others will interpret it all differently, everything is a mess, everywhere. Everything is out of control and there are many reasons for that. We are in a period of time that requires rapid, unconventional and purposeful intervention in order to STOP (immediately) the current and directional ways of our culture, society, our government, our legal system, media, and I could go on and on. Corruption is rampant......in government. Political correctness is out of control. It has ALL gotten really bad to put it all simply. To me it's very worrisome.

America is no longer the nation it was because of Barack Obama.
Canada's government is doing alright in the midst of it all. Harper has been doing just fine all things considered.
Society is %*^ked! Kids are generally %*^ked up, this generation and the next worry me. It must be acknowledged and dealt with.

I have my own ideas as to why but they are long and complex, though not hard to understand. And yes, the beginnings of all this mess began in history.

I know this sounds like a ramble but it would take pages to try to explain what I believe the problems to be.

To me all is totally out of control and unless severe actions are taken by our society life as we know it will cease to exist and the alternatives are unthinkable.

I'll stop now I considered not posting this but some will understand what I'm trying to say in a relatively short post............

If you could take the time to PM me your explanations I would appreciate it. I do enjoy engaging and learning from you. You use reason very well. So long as you're willing to admit that it's not all Obama's fault, I can accept that he(or rather his policies and associated actions) has most certainly played a roll in all this.

btw, that second post was not directed at you. you've been very polite and reasonable in your willingness to discuss issues with me.

[score]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

If you could take the time to PM me your explanations I would appreciate it. I do enjoy engaging and learning from you. You use reason very well. So long as you're willing to admit that it's not all Obama's fault, I can accept that he(or rather his policies and associated actions) has most certainly played a roll in all this.

btw, that second post was not directed at you. you've been very polite and reasonable in your willingness to discuss issues with me.

W&F I don't feel like or think that a PM can possibly cover all the issues. We could exchange forever. We may agree on some stuff but obviously we don't on others. That's ok. I don't see you as a radical and you seem to be thoughtful of your opinions.

What I'm seeing and have seen for a long time is a pattern or trend of leftism and socialism and all that entails gathering strength. It's everywhere daily. Media is a huge purveyor of it.

I do agree that it began a long time ago and history is relevant in the conversation. It grew and is taking a firm hold.

I have my opinions as to what and why but it's long and in depth.

Therefore, because it began a long time ago, Obama can't be blamed for it all.

Obama has, however, been the worst President ever and is to blame for A LOT! But he isn't to blame for what was already beginning, taking place and picking up steam prior to his Presidency. He got elected due to it however and with that power he is responsible for making everything as worse as he possibly could. The time was right and he ran with it full bore.

I'm sincerely hoping that the people have had enough and the tide will turn. It must IMO. I'm worried though and I find it hard to think that we can survive any more. Everything has gotten goofy and it's getting worse on a daily basis. I believe many, many of the silent majority feel the same. The loud mouths are always front and center but that's media so we'll see.

The popularity of the non-politicians so far is indeed encouraging. I sincerely hope people have had enough.

I know I haven't presented much specifics but there are many. I think you know what progressives, the left, liberalism is all about and I hate everything they believe and stand for.

Alberta voted NDP and there seems to be a very real possibility that Canadians will vote NDP.

[79ford]

Turfing coal and burning more natural gas in the usa is a good thing for alberta.

The jobs coal creates arent really that great. Personally i would rather work at a gas plant or nat gas power plant than in a coal mine or coal power station.

Arent there a bunch of people out there on here whining about oil and natural gas gluts along with the job losses that come from lack of demand and/or too much supply of oil/gas ???

Wouldnt it be great if the largest consumer of energy on the planet decided it wanted to burn alot more natural gas? We happen to have pipelines that already go to this consumer aswell? Wouldnt that be all to convenient? Hahaha

People are soo myopic and nieve it hurts my brain to hear albertans out of all people cry about the usa wanting to burn more natural gas.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by 79ford

Turfing coal and burning more natural gas in the usa is a good thing for alberta.

The jobs coal creates arent really that great. Personally i would rather work at a gas plant or nat gas power plant than in a coal mine or coal power station.

Arent there a bunch of people out there on here whining about oil and natural gas gluts along with the job losses that come from lack of demand and/or too much supply of oil/gas ???

Wouldnt it be great if the largest consumer of energy on the planet decided it wanted to burn alot more natural gas? We happen to have pipelines that already go to this consumer aswell? Wouldnt that be all to convenient? Hahaha

People are soo myopic and nieve it hurts my brain to hear albertans out of all people cry about the usa wanting to burn more natural gas.

Wasn't really the point of the thread...but thanks for playing.

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by score

W&F I don't feel like or think that a PM can possibly cover all the issues. We could exchange forever. We may agree on some stuff but obviously we don't on others. That's ok. I don't see you as a radical and you seem to be thoughtful of your opinions.

What I'm seeing and have seen for a long time is a pattern or trend of leftism and socialism and all that entails gathering strength. It's everywhere daily. Media is a huge purveyor of it.

I do agree that it began a long time ago and history is relevant in the conversation. It grew and is taking a firm hold.

I have my opinions as to what and why but it's long and in depth.

Therefore, because it began a long time ago, Obama can't be blamed for it all.

Obama has, however, been the worst President ever and is to blame for A LOT! But he isn't to blame for what was already beginning, taking place and picking up steam prior to his Presidency. He got elected due to it however and with that power he is responsible for making everything as worse as he possibly could. The time was right and he ran with it full bore.

I'm sincerely hoping that the people have had enough and the tide will turn. It must IMO. I'm worried though and I find it hard to think that we can survive any more. Everything has gotten goofy and it's getting worse on a daily basis. I believe many, many of the silent majority feel the same. The loud mouths are always front and center but that's media so we'll see.

The popularity of the non-politicians so far is indeed encouraging. I sincerely hope people have had enough.

I know I haven't presented much specifics but there are many. I think you know what progressives, the left, liberalism is all about and I hate everything they believe and stand for.

Alberta voted NDP and there seems to be a very real possibility that Canadians will vote NDP.

Thanks. I'm sure we could spend hours around the fire hashing things out over some drinks and probably having some laughs along the way.

I do think you need to re examine liberalism a bit, it's much better then feudalism and mercantilism that came before it.

Some of the stuff coming from the 'progressive' camp is utter nonsense and equality has limits in some regards. No one should be above the law, that's good equality. A man who wants to be 100% legally recognized as a woman is asinine. straight C/D students without ability should not be in the same classes as A/B students just as severely obese kids shouldn't be on varsity teams and every participation ribbon should be burned imo.

Things are way out of touch with reality, but at the same time social mobility for those who do have ability has been undermined to a large extent imo.

The fact that debts incurred by previous generations are being past on to future generations in exchange for more slop in the trough, offered by both the left and the right in politics is one of the first issues that need to be addressed. the world is on fire, but the grass always grows greener after a good burn.