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Old 07-29-2016, 11:52 PM
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Default Skoal and Copenhagen - Just add water?

So I bought a can of snuff today and the girl at the gas station said that the sales rep told her that they are changing the 34 gram cans to 24 grams this fall. It is apparently the same amount of chew as before but it will be dehydrated and you just need to add water? This can will now be $24 rather than $30. My guess is that the tobacco company has seen a decline in sales since the government keeps on increasing their sin tax on it. When I started 18 years ago a can was $4. I know I should just quit. Thanks wife and mom. Anyhow, the tobacco company reduces the weight of the product and the tax goes down. Interested to see if it actually happens and how crappy my Copenhagen will be. I may just quit after all.
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Old 07-30-2016, 01:04 AM
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That would be weird.
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Old 07-30-2016, 01:05 AM
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Just add rum😉
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Old 07-30-2016, 07:20 AM
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Interesting idea. Tobacco company still makes the same but the government loses out. Too bad you can't get cherry skoal in Alberta any more.
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Old 07-30-2016, 08:20 AM
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Ya I would say a shot of whisky in there would be better than water! A guy needs to just make more trips across the border for Copenhagen!
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Old 07-30-2016, 08:38 AM
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No different than chocolate bars. Costs go up and the consumer is resistant to a price increase, give him less for about the same cost. Term for that escapes me at the moment.

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Old 07-30-2016, 08:43 AM
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I think they should just round the price off to $100/can. Make it easier on everyone.
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Old 07-30-2016, 08:52 AM
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$30.00 for a can of Copenhagen ? Last time I bought one it was under five bucks ... of course beer were five for a buck too.
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Old 07-30-2016, 09:14 AM
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$2.75 (US) per fresh, juicy tin is what I pay for it
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Old 07-30-2016, 11:00 AM
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Just add rum😉
I would have to try that one, how would you stop from swallowing the juices lol.
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Old 07-30-2016, 11:37 AM
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Just add rum😉
We used to add a bit of whisky to our cans when we were younger (I don't do that anymore, don't think the boss would be too happy when I have whiskey on my breath during the day, lol). Even if you've been chewing for years, it still burns the lip when it's whisky soaked, but sure does taste good. We always added it to copey long cut
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Old 07-30-2016, 06:37 PM
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30 dollars a tin, crazy. 30 years ago when I chewed Kodiak winter mint was 2.50.
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Old 07-30-2016, 06:42 PM
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Have a residence in Phoenix area. $1.90 for a tin of Grizzly Long Cut straight at Wal Mart which is a 5 mins walk from the house and open 24 hrs. $2.10 tin of Skoal or Copenhagen. Prices up here are ridiculous.
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Old 07-30-2016, 09:35 PM
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Whenever my chew dries out I just throw in a slice of apple, moistens and adds a bit of flavour

Was in Kentucky this year asked for a log of chew, girl behind the counter couldn't believe I wanted to buy a whole log. Then I told her what we pay here.
Worked out to under 2.00 a ton for Copenhagen southern blend and cheaper for Hawkins. Come to think of it chew was my only souvenir and it didn't last that long.
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Old 07-31-2016, 12:02 AM
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When I was chewing, I'd add a bit of whiskey to mine and put em in the freezer. Couldn't beat it!
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Old 07-31-2016, 01:08 AM
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No different than chocolate bars. Costs go up and the consumer is resistant to a price increase, give him less for about the same cost. Term for that escapes me at the moment.

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Old 07-31-2016, 07:49 AM
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DO NOT add a full shot of whiskey to your tin. It doesn't fully absorb and leaves you with a poo like stain in your pocket/running down your leg!
Start off with 1/2oz at most!
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Old 07-31-2016, 01:54 PM
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Once the prices got stupid I quit cold turkey, I don't go a day or two without remising on a good dip. Traveling through the states is the worst lol every gas station has cans on the shelf for a buck or two and the good stuff is 3 bucks or so a can not to mention interesting cuts I've never seen like Copenhagen wintergreen long cut and skoal strait plugs. Glad I live in canada if I was in the states my jaw would of rotted off by now. I was a can every two days, more If I was camping, drinking or fishing and always had a dip in at work. $30 bucks a can I was spending over $450 a month!!! Over $5400 a year!!!!!!! Not worth the cancer here in canada !

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Old 07-31-2016, 02:10 PM
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30 bucks a can is ridiculous. I don't understand why we get ripped off so hard here. Pay more for beer, more for smokes, and a **** ton more for dip. Hopefully when the WRP gets elected we see some of these sin taxes get dropped. Were becoming a damn Nanny state, where you can't think for yourself and if you don't follow the rules you get a big fine to add money to the government coffers.
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Old 07-31-2016, 02:30 PM
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30 bucks a can is ridiculous. I don't understand why we get ripped off so hard here. Pay more for beer, more for smokes, and a **** ton more for dip. Hopefully when the WRP gets elected we see some of these sin taxes get dropped. Were becoming a damn Nanny state, where you can't think for yourself and if you don't follow the rules you get a big fine to add money to the government coffers.
Unfortunately 1 out of every 2 chewing tobacco users and smokers that dosn't quit will die from it but fortunately canada has free healthcare that treats and prolongs our lives after our stupid choices and that's where the tax money goes cancer is expensive. In the states if u don't have health insurence they just wheel you out to the woods and forget about u or if you have a good job and are young they will treat you and heavily garnish your wages for the rest of your life to recoup the expenses......
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Old 07-31-2016, 02:57 PM
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Actually tobacco uses save society money, they die younger and less of a burden than skinny in shape people living off OAS, and pensions and burning up healthcare dollars with chronic health problems.


Do smokers cost society money?
April 8, 2009 By ERICA WERNER , Associated Press Writer
(AP) -- Smoking takes years off your life and adds dollars to the cost of health care. Yet nonsmokers cost society money, too - by living longer.

It's an element of the debate over tobacco that some economists and officials find distasteful.
House members described huge health care costs associated with smoking as they approved landmark legislation last week giving the Food and Drug Administration authority to regulate tobacco products. No one mentioned the additional costs to society of caring for a nonsmoking population that lives longer.
Supporters of the FDA bill cited figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that smokers cost the country $96 billion a year in direct health care costs, and an additional $97 billion a year in lost productivity.
A White House statement supporting the bill, which awaits action in the Senate, echoed the argument by contending that tobacco use "accounts for over a $100 billion annually in financial costs to the economy."
However, smokers die some 10 years earlier than nonsmokers, according to the CDC, and those premature deaths provide a savings to Medicare, Social Security, private pensions and other programs.
Vanderbilt University economist Kip Viscusi studied the net costs of smoking-related spending and savings and found that for every pack of cigarettes smoked, the country reaps a net cost savings of 32 cents.
"It looks unpleasant or ghoulish to look at the cost savings as well as the cost increases and it's not a good thing that smoking kills people," Viscusi said in an interview. "But if you're going to follow this health-cost train all the way, you have to take into account all the effects, not just the ones you like in terms of getting your bill passed."
Viscusi worked as a litigation expert for the tobacco industry in lawsuits by states but said that his research, which has been published in peer-reviewed journals, has never been funded by industry.
Other researchers have reached similar conclusions.
A Dutch study published last year in the Public Library of Science Medicine journal said that health care costs for smokers were about $326,000 from age 20 on, compared to about $417,000 for thin and healthy people.
The reason: The thin, healthy people lived much longer.
Willard Manning, a professor of health economics and policy at the University of Chicago's Harris School of Public Policy Studies, was lead author on a paper published two decades ago in the Journal of the American Medical Association that found that, taking into account tobacco taxes in effect at the time, smokers were not a financial burden to society.
"We were actually quite surprised by the finding because we were pretty sure that smokers were getting cross-subsidized by everybody else," said Manning, who suspects the findings would be similar today. "But it was only when we put all the pieces together that we found it was pretty much a wash."
Such conclusions are controversial since they assign an economic benefit to premature death. U.S. government agencies shy away from the calculations.
The goal of the U.S. health care system is "prolonging disability-free life," states the 2004 Surgeon General's report on the health consequences of smoking. "Thus any negative economic impacts from gains in longevity with smoking reduction should not be emphasized in public health decisions."
Dr. Terry Pechacek, the CDC associate director for science in the office on smoking and health, said that data seeking to quantify economic benefits of smoking couldn't capture all the benefits associated with longevity, like a grandparent's contribution to a family. Because of such uncertainties the CDC won't put a price tag on savings from smoking.
"The natural train of logic that follows from that is that then anybody that's admitted around age 65 or older that's showing any signs of sickness should be denied treatment," Pechacek said. "That's the cheapest thing to do."

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Old 07-31-2016, 02:59 PM
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30 bucks a can is ridiculous. I don't understand why we get ripped off so hard here. Pay more for beer, more for smokes, and a **** ton more for dip. Hopefully when the WRP gets elected we see some of these sin taxes get dropped. Were becoming a damn Nanny state, where you can't think for yourself and if you don't follow the rules you get a big fine to add money to the government coffers.
Several months ago you were all for creating a larger nanny state that would go after family farms. It's nice to see you've awakened and seen the evils of your ways.
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Old 07-31-2016, 03:47 PM
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30 bucks a can is ridiculous. I don't understand why we get ripped off so hard here. Pay more for beer, more for smokes, and a **** ton more for dip. Hopefully when the WRP gets elected we see some of these sin taxes get dropped. Were becoming a damn Nanny state, where you can't think for yourself and if you don't follow the rules you get a big fine to add money to the government coffers.
That tax goes to pay for healthcare that you pay for on your own (or pay huge premiums for) in the states. For when you got cancer. You know, the kind that you get from chewing tobacco.

Want cheap tobacco? Pay for your own healthcare.
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Old 07-31-2016, 03:58 PM
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That tax goes to pay for healthcare that you pay for on your own (or pay huge premiums for) in the states. For when you got cancer. You know, the kind that you get from chewing tobacco.

Want cheap tobacco? Pay for your own healthcare.
If he's working he's likely paying for his own healthcare and the healthcare of others. AND paying high taxes on tobacco. AND more likely to die at a younger age BEFORE needing to access healthcare at the increased rate that older people do.

People that use tobacco get hit pretty hard in this country. (I don't smoke or chew. Other than a few cigars a year)
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Old 07-31-2016, 04:18 PM
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Several months ago you were all for creating a larger nanny state that would go after family farms. It's nice to see you've awakened and seen the evils of your ways.
I just want to see people taken care of. Unfortunately the NDP can't do anything without mucking it up. People working in big grain silos and fertilizer operations should have some form of OH&S protection. Its just frustrating that the NDP are dictating how this should be done instead of doing it properly by working with industry to bring in legislation that works for all parties effected.
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Old 07-31-2016, 04:28 PM
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That tax goes to pay for healthcare that you pay for on your own (or pay huge premiums for) in the states. For when you got cancer. You know, the kind that you get from chewing tobacco.

Want cheap tobacco? Pay for your own healthcare.
So you're telling me that I need to pay 25 dollars extra on every can of chewing tobacco because I may someday get cancer. While smokers only have to pay 7-8 dollars more on a pack of cigarettes which IMO are far more likely to cause cancer then chewing tobacco? Don't get me wrong I don't smoke or chew regularly, but I do like to have it occasionally. So should it cost me the price of a nice meal at the Keg to do that? Especially when you consider I don't even consume it regularly?

Our government is an effen joke and taxes the crap out of everything because they don't know how to manage money, and hire dingbat environmentalists to tell the Oil Sands how to be run.

And its just not tobacco I'm upset about. Seen again this year our hunting tags are going up. 40 bucks for a general whitetail, another rip off when they won't even put money into F&W or conservation.
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Old 07-31-2016, 10:12 PM
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I don't have a problem with sin tax. I pay it for my booze and I get raped for my snuff. The problem I do have is that pop, chocolate bars and potato chips and fast food cause more health problems in my opinion than chewing tobacco. Heart problems, obesity, diabetes to name a few. Is there a sin tax on junk food? No... It's far cheaper to buy that garbage than it is to by healthy foods at the grocery store.


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That tax goes to pay for healthcare that you pay for on your own (or pay huge premiums for) in the states. For when you got cancer. You know, the kind that you get from chewing tobacco.

Want cheap tobacco? Pay for your own healthcare.
Ummm we do pay for our own healthcare in our everything tax. We would be much better if we all just payed for our own health care. Everyone is so afraid of that but work out the dollars and cents and you will realize that we have huge burdens of paying for all ethnic and Indians to go to the doctor. I'm not being racist but that's a huge issue. That we all pay dearly for. But for some reason is taboo to say out loud. Go to an emergency room on Friday night or Saturday night. Hell or any other time. We are already minority. The good thing is that in today's society it seems like minorities rule!!!
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Ummm we do pay for our own healthcare in our everything tax. We would be much better if we all just payed for our own health care. Everyone is so afraid of that but work out the dollars and cents and you will realize that we have huge burdens of paying for all ethnic and Indians to go to the doctor. I'm not being racist but that's a huge issue. That we all pay dearly for. But for some reason is taboo to say out loud. Go to an emergency room on Friday night or Saturday night. Hell or any other time. We are already minority. The good thing is that in today's society it seems like minorities rule!!!
I think the only problem if we pay for our own healthcare is they will think they can re-tax us the same amount to waste on some other gov spending.
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So you're telling me that I need to pay 25 dollars extra on every can of chewing tobacco because I may someday get cancer. While smokers only have to pay 7-8 dollars more on a pack of cigarettes which IMO are far more likely to cause cancer then chewing tobacco? Don't get me wrong I don't smoke or chew regularly, but I do like to have it occasionally. So should it cost me the price of a nice meal at the Keg to do that? Especially when you consider I don't even consume it regularly?

Our government is an effen joke and taxes the crap out of everything because they don't know how to manage money, and hire dingbat environmentalists to tell the Oil Sands how to be run.

And its just not tobacco I'm upset about. Seen again this year our hunting tags are going up. 40 bucks for a general whitetail, another rip off when they won't even put money into F&W or conservation.

Conbined Federal and Provincial tax on chew is $0.50 per gram (0.375 for AB, 0.13 Federal) as far as I can tell. That is $17 on a 34g tin. All I know is that I'd rather have users of known carcinogenic products pay higher taxes to pay for associated health care costs.
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