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Would you say this is very dirty
This is how a patch with hoppes #9 looks from my rifle, is this very dirty? 
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04-05-2017, 05:42 PM
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Not exceptionally dirty for a first patch. Are those cotton patches or synthetic patches.
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04-05-2017, 05:47 PM
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Synthetic I believe, that was the first patch, this is the third, first after running the brush through. 
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04-05-2017, 05:52 PM
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So, a couple patches later the black all but disappears and it turns blue? 
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04-05-2017, 05:57 PM
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You don't clean a gun with three patches.
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04-05-2017, 05:59 PM
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Blue typically indicates copper fouling, but it could take a very long time to remove copper fouling with Hoppes. A proper copper solvent works much quicker. Cotton generally removes fouling better than the synthetic patches.
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04-05-2017, 06:08 PM
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You don't clean a gun with three patches.
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How many to expect then? To be honest this is my first time really cleaning a centerfire. Normally what I learnt from my hunting mentors was just a bore snake and maybe some oil, but then I just fired 10 rounds a year, now this gun has had some 250+ rounds and I think it's time to clean.
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04-05-2017, 06:10 PM
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But I'll need some helping along, bear with me please if it seams I'm clueless as I am somewhat.
I've been told before to use bore guides and wipeout and etc before but I don't have that so am doing it this way.
That said I have some experience cleaning firearms as I've done a lot of blackpowder, but just never a centerfire
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04-05-2017, 07:25 PM
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How many to expect then? To be honest this is my first time really cleaning a centerfire. Normally what I learnt from my hunting mentors was just a bore snake and maybe some oil, but then I just fired 10 rounds a year, now this gun has had some 250+ rounds and I think it's time to clean.
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After 250+ rounds, it's quite possible that there is significant copper fouling. I would get some cotton patches, and a good copper solvent like KG-12, or CR-10, or Sweets 7.62, and remove all of the carbon and copper fouling. As to bore snakes, they will never be used in any of my rifles as long as I own them.
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04-05-2017, 07:43 PM
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I have heard that before about the boresnakes, is that stuff available in Edmonton?
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04-05-2017, 07:52 PM
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After 250+ rounds, it's quite possible that there is significant copper fouling. I would get some cotton patches, and a good copper solvent like KG-12, or CR-10, or Sweets 7.62, and remove all of the carbon and copper fouling. As to bore snakes, they will never be used in any of my rifles as long as I own them.
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Total agree with this statement ! use a good copper solvent! and no bore snakes!
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04-05-2017, 07:56 PM
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A good bore cleaning is definitely in order so take your time. As far as a bore snake goes use a good quality bore snake and will not harm your rifle bore in any way! A bore snack is not used to do a proper bore clean but a little maintenance when it's not possible to do a complete clean as on your home bench.
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04-05-2017, 07:58 PM
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What I've done on a really dirty tradex gun is use hoppes no9 for a bit, wipe dry and then hit with a copper solvent. Use both until in sequence until clean.
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04-05-2017, 08:01 PM
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So you get the gist on the bore clean which is totally necessary following a couple hundred rounds. But no bore snake! I would really like to hear your logic on that topic..
Don't mean to hijack your thread op. But I gotta hear this!!
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04-05-2017, 08:07 PM
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LOL, all I said about it is that I've heard that before!
Elkhunter is the one that said no boresnake, ask him
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04-05-2017, 08:17 PM
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[QUOTE=The Flint&Fly Guy;3510977]LOL, all I said about it is that I've heard that before!
Elkhunter is the one that said no boresnake, ask him
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It is very funny!! Lol.. But my thoughts exactly!!
So let's be realistic and not anal retentive about how everyone should be cleaning their rifle bores! I am talkin a quick decent in field bore clean.
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04-05-2017, 08:27 PM
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I don't mind a bore snake for that either, the thought of the string pulling off does scare me though!
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04-05-2017, 08:36 PM
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So you get the gist on the bore clean which is totally necessary following a couple hundred rounds. But no bore snake! I would really like to hear your logic on that topic..
Don't mean to hijack your thread op. But I gotta hear this!!
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I clean at home or at the range, and either way, I use a proper one piece rod and cotton patches. I keep the muzzle taped in the field to keep it clean.
With a bore snake, unless you wash it after every single pass, you drag the same crud through the bore over and over again. I do carry a cable pull through for emergencies, but I have never used it. A bore snake is also useless for emergencies, because it's too limp to push through mud or snow in case of an emergency.
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Great reasons, thanks. Especially about being of no use for bore obstructions
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04-05-2017, 09:02 PM
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First, your patches look pretty normal with lots of "carbon/burned powder" getting picked up on the early patches. It is probably hiding some blue which shows only when the patch cleans up a bit. Also, the solvent may not start to soften the copper on the initial passes.
I prefer Sweets 7.62 which is has a syrup consistency. (I have not seen CR-10 for years). After pushing 3/4 wet patches through, I let it sit for at least 5 minutes before following with more wet patches until no more blue. A dry patch to remove excess solvent...a wet patch soaked with rubbing alcohol ... a dry patch to remove excess alcohol ... a couple of oil patches ... a dry patch to remove excess oil.
EDIT: If the blue is persistent, I will use a nylon brush with solvent.
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First, your patches look pretty normal with lots of "carbon/burned powder" getting picked up on the early patches. It is probably hiding some blue which shows only when the patch cleans up a bit. Also, the solvent may not start to soften the copper on the initial passes.
I prefer Sweets 7.62 which is has a syrup consistency. (I have not seen CR-10 for years). After pushing 3/4 wet patches through, I let it sit for at least 5 minutes before following with more wet patches until no more blue. A dry patch to remove excess solvent...a wet patch soaked with rubbing alcohol ... a dry patch to remove excess alcohol ... a couple of oil patches ... a dry patch to remove excess oil.
EDIT: If the blue is persistent, I will use a nylon brush with solvent.
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No mention of wipe out 
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04-05-2017, 09:31 PM
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Never tried it ... Don't devote more than 10 minutes from start-to-finish so anything that takes longer has no appeal. Also sounds like some care is necessary to avoid a mess.
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04-05-2017, 10:21 PM
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I've used Wipeout with good results, especially for getting crud out of the chamber. I use CR-10 for copper fouling, it is the best I've used although I'm almost out and haven't seen any on the shelves... anyway i only use one-piece rods, cotton patches and nylon brushes.
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I use Amzoil foaming engine cleaner or Mercury Quicksilver Power tune for powder fouling and Wipeout for copper fouling.
I quit using ammonia based cleaners years ago.
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I use Hoppes 9 currently, but I think I'll find a different powder/carbon remover.
I run 3-4 patches of Hoppes through the bore, chamber to muzzle, on a push jag with a one piece carbon rod. After that I use a bronze brush and push it through the same way, but take it off before pulling the rod back through so I don't drag crap back in. I do that a few times then repeat with the Hoppes patches until clean.
I then switch to KG-12 off elkhunter's suggestion and use just patches to get rid of the copper fouling. Once that's clean I do some dry patches to take out the KG-12 and then follow with a few super wet patches of G96, then a dry patch to clean it up.
I let the KG-12 and G96 soak in for 5 mins between each patch. Takes me over an hour to clean my bores but they come out pretty clean.
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Wipe out that sucker!
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Wipe out changed my life.
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04-06-2017, 10:25 AM
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ANother vote for wipeout
I have used wipe out before and think its a great product. The folks over at accurate shooter endorse it and have a banner ad on there page.
The guys over at Alberta tactical seem to like it as well. They know there stuff when it comes to firearms, they make there own.
https://albertatacticalrifle.com/hik...ory_pathway-38
Definately worth taking the time to read.
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04-06-2017, 11:12 AM
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Chuck Norris shaves with Wipeout!  All kiding aside, don't use a brass jag with Wipeout or products that are amonia based (Wipeout isn't amonia BTW). Your patches will continuously come out blue.
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04-06-2017, 11:39 AM
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Interesting article, where can a guy buy this? And where to find a jag that's not brass?
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