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Talking 6.5 Grendal Kills, including a 752 yrd speed goat

http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showt...yard-speedgoat

Yup i bet he's got the current record. But just wanted to pass a long some other stuff too.

The 6.5 Grendel forum has a hunting section and also a multi-page thread collecting kill data on all sorts of game. There is one guy killing all sorts of wolves. There's some elk. Tons of hogs/deer/coyotes. Some funny guys who've shot squirrels with them and documented.

I just saw Neil Davies with Hornady post on Instagram two kills so far in Africa with a CZ shooting the 123gr sst load. One was a 200 yard gemsbok! Pretty sweet. Looks like he's there right now putting the grendel through some plains game paces.

And some guys think the Creedmoor is wimpy.

If all goes according to plan there will be a non-trophy sheep and a bull moose added to this cartridge by the end of this season.

accuracy, fps at impact, and appropriate s.d. is a proven formula

pushing the limits there no doubt, likely around 1500 fps impact with the 123 a-max factory load by looks of it, 22" barrel, 600 ft/lbs energy but the ft/lbs is not the tale...the tale is well placed 1500 fps, s.d. .252 and a smaller thin skinned animal

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The 6.5 Grendel make no sense to me. The 260 or 6.5 creadmore have more hp and lets face it, recoil is not a issue with any of these.
Oh and with today’s bullets “sd” equals nothing anymore.
Am I missing something with the Grendel?
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Nothing magical. SC just currently want a yo have imaginary babies with the Grendal because it's efficient and little. We all have these stages.

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The 6.5 Grendel make no sense to me. The 260 or 6.5 creadmore have more hp and lets face it, recoil is not a issue with any of these.
Oh and with today’s bullets “sd” equals nothing anymore.
Am I missing something with the Grendel?
No, nothing except maybe it can go into an AR action which means duddlybup here as a hunting rifle anyway
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Kinda like catching a 30 lb fish on 4lb test line. Somebody has to try it but likely a few break offs as well... that we never hear about.
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Kinda like catching a 30 lb fish on 4lb test line. Somebody has to try it but likely a few break offs as well... that we never hear about.
....or like bowhunting for grizz,Cape Buffalo,sheep,treed cougars.....yea it CAN BE done.....most people can't or at least shouldn't ....others just like to stroke their egos.
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Yup i bet he's got the current record. But just wanted to pass a long some other stuff too.

The 6.5 Grendel forum has a hunting section and also a multi-page thread collecting kill data on all sorts of game. There is one guy killing all sorts of wolves. There's some elk. Tons of hogs/deer/coyotes. Some funny guys who've shot squirrels with them and documented.

I just saw Neil Davies with Hornady post on Instagram two kills so far in Africa with a CZ shooting the 123gr sst load. One was a 200 yard gemsbok! Pretty sweet. Looks like he's there right now putting the grendel through some plains game paces.

And some guys think the Creedmoor is wimpy.

If all goes according to plan there will be a non-trophy sheep and a bull moose added to this cartridge by the end of this season.

accuracy, fps at impact, and appropriate s.d. is a proven formula

pushing the limits there no doubt, likely around 1500 fps impact with the 123 a-max factory load by looks of it, 22" barrel, 600 ft/lbs energy but the ft/lbs is not the tale...the tale is well placed 1500 fps, s.d. .252 and a smaller thin skinned animal
.. and all just to see if you can do it. Are there prizes in this game ?
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The Maccabee SLR is a NR AR-type rifle that uses all AR15 parts.

I think im going to get a lower with 2 uppers, one being the 6.5 grendel for deer.
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Kinda like catching a 30 lb fish on 4lb test line. Somebody has to try it but likely a few break offs as well... that we never hear about.
There is only 100fps difference between the Swede and Grendel with a 120gr bullet, so is the Swede like using 6lb test to catch the fish?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/6.5mm_Grendel

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/6.5×55mm_Swedish

A 120gr bullet wouldn't be my first choice for moose and elk, but I did see a 130gr 6.5 bullet drop a moose like the hammer of Thor.

How long has the Swede been considered such a good hunting cartridge?
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The 6.5 Grendel make no sense to me. The 260 or 6.5 creadmore have more hp and lets face it, recoil is not a issue with any of these.
Oh and with today’s bullets “sd” equals nothing anymore.
Am I missing something with the Grendel?
It's the new fad is all, many old cartridges did and still can do what is required if the shooter does thier part.
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There is only 100fps difference between the Swede and Grendel with a 120gr bullet, so is the Swede like using 6lb test to catch the fish?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/6.5mm_Grendel

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/6.5×55mm_Swedish

A 120gr bullet wouldn't be my first choice for moose and elk, but I did see a 130gr 6.5 bullet drop a moose like the hammer of Thor.


How long has the Swede been considered such a good hunting cartridge?
[QUOTE=Kurt505;3802026]There is only 100fps difference between the Swede and Grendel with a 120gr bullet, so is the Swede like using 6lb test to catch the fish?


Nice Fish ! ...just another 340 fps to go to catch the Swede. Try again, but search something other than Wikipedia for your ballistic data.
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There is only 100fps difference between the Swede and Grendel with a 120gr bullet, so is the Swede like using 6lb test to catch the fish?


Nice Fish ! ...just another 340 fps to go to catch the Swede. Try again, but search something other than Wikipedia for your ballistic data.
Maybe with today's max loads, but definitely not 100 years ago when your beloved Swede made its reputation as an efficient moose killer!!!!

You keep talking about how fast your Swede is but fail to realize that its reputation was built on the loads of yesteryear. You like to ignore that fact, along with many others to try and paint a picture of all other 6.5's being nothing more than glorified pop guns compared to the mighty Swede.

Maybe the Swede was all just a bunch of lies until very recently like all the fake clips on YouTube with the Grendel and Creedmoor?
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Never thought about that..... If I was going to use that type of platform I would go with the 6.5 G.
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Maybe with today's max loads, but definitely not 100 years ago when your beloved Swede made its reputation as an efficient moose killer!!!!

You keep talking about how fast your Swede is but fail to realize that its reputation was built on the loads of yesteryear. You like to ignore that fact, along with many others to try and paint a picture of all other 6.5's being nothing more than glorified pop guns compared to the mighty Swede.

Maybe the Swede was all just a bunch of lies until very recently like all the fake clips on YouTube with the Grendel and Creedmoor?
I'm not trying to paint any picture. The Swede is what it is and we are not living 100 yrs ago. There's not much you can do to change that regardless of its age. The only difference between now and then is that we have rifles that can handle the cartridge at it's full potential. Same with all the other 6.5's. The Grendel is another matter. By the sound of things it maybe the next gens 1000 yd cartridge.
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I'm not trying to paint any picture. The Swede is what it is and we are not living 100 yrs ago. There's not much you can do to change that regardless of its age. The only difference between now and then is that we have rifles that can handle the cartridge at it's full potential. Same with all the other 6.5's. The Grendel is another matter. By the sound of things it maybe the next gens 1000 yd cartridge.

So I'll ask the question again,

Was the Swede all a bunch of lies or have animals just gotten tougher over the years? Have people been lying about the Swede's performance for the past century, or maybe somehow the headstamp is the key to its killing capabilities?

Maybe it's a case of you just can't admit you've been wrong all along?
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So I'll ask the question again,

Was the Swede all a bunch of lies or have animals just gotten tougher over the years? Have people been lying about the Swede's performance for the past century, or maybe somehow the headstamp is the key to its killing capabilities?

Maybe it's a case of you just can't admit you've been wrong all along?
Again, ... when the green flag drops, the BS stops.
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Again, ... when the green flag drops, the BS stops.
Cute little catch phrase you have there.

Only problem is no matter what proof is put in front of your face you refuse to accept it.

I think the green flag dropped and the BS stopped long ago but you were left at the start line daydreaming.

If you listen closely you'll hear the rest of the pack coming from behind to lap you.
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Nothing magical. SC just currently want a to have imaginary babies with the Grendal because it's efficient and little. We all have these stages.

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Never thought about that..... If I was going to use that type of platform I would go with the 6.5 G.
It is the ultimate choice in that platform!

It does even more overachieving than the other choices in that platform than say the 6.5 creedmoor does over it's short action counterparts, or at the very least the same.
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Again, ... when the green flag drops, the BS stops.
Well the flag has been dropping and the so have the animals lol. Currently that flag is dropping in Africa on a 200 yrd gemsbok and some other stuff. Above a 752 yrd antelope. The knock down survey on the Grendel Forum has a shat load of whitetails and hogs in the 350-450 yard range. Some elk up to 400. Coyotes at any range of course.

If one was looking at a .243 for any reason in this day and age...i'd steer them to the Grendel every single time. It will do more with less powder burned. It doesn't have the same pbrz advantage but we do live in a world of rangefinders and ballistic solutions now. The grendel can beat the .243 just about everywhere it matters and especially in s.d. or penetration.
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It's the new fad is all, many old cartridges did and still can do what is required if the shooter does thier part.
The beauty of this 'fad' is that it's not a fad.

Just as the Creedmoor has been recognized....the AR crowd south of the border is massive and the Grendel has been realized there. It's not going to go away. The Grendel will be around just as long as the Creedmoor will be. It's that good in that platform.

Might seem like a fad up here in Alberta and a land where most variants of AR's are restricted and we can't hunt with them but that's just our little part of the puzzle. The big picture is totally different.

It's fantastic because it's not only the best choice for AR platforms for any reason but it's also a fantastic little cartridge period, any platform, bolt action or single shot even. Another over achiever.

Think of it as the 6.5 Short

Call the Creedmoor just the '6.5', and the PRC the 6.5 Mag lol. Why look at anything else between these 3?
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Well the flag has been dropping and the so have the animals lol. Currently that flag is dropping in Africa on a 200 yrd gemsbok and some other stuff. Above a 752 yrd antelope. The knock down survey on the Grendel Forum has a shat load of whitetails and hogs in the 350-450 yard range. Some elk up to 400. Coyotes at any range of course.

If one was looking at a .243 for any reason in this day and age...i'd steer them to the Grendel every single time. It will do more with less powder burned. It doesn't have the same pbrz advantage but we do live in a world of rangefinders and ballistic solutions now. The grendel can beat the .243 just about everywhere it matters and especially in s.d. or penetration.
Why compare a .243 with a .264 when talking SD ? The .243 is in a different category. Beating it with a .264 means nothing. Stay in your caliber/ weight class and try again.
As to the Grendel forum, what else would you expect ? We have the same kind of gobblygook on here.
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Why compare a .243 with a .264 when talking SD ? The .243 is in a different category. Beating it with a .264 means nothing. Stay in your caliber/ weight class and try again.
As to the Grendel forum, what else would you expect ? We have the same kind of gobblygook on here.
Because 'around here' the .243 is considered the gold standard for a minimal choice. Various reasons people buy .243's from their own personal needs to something for wife and kids as a couple of the more common choices.

And the reason the 6.5 Grendel compares with the .243 is it shows almost perfectly the difference in efficiency when it comes to cartridge choices. You have to burn a fair bit more powder with less efficient projectiles to do the same thing at same distances. Often why the Creedmoor is compared ballistically not to the .308 but the 300 win mag. The Grendel is the same to the .243...you get the idea. But the effective range of the Grendel and the .243 are essentially the same and arguable the Grendel will prove more effective because of that higher s.d.

Just as i was educating the Creedmoor i'm doing the same here with the Grendel. We seem to be a little behind the times here Salavee.

Yes a modern .243 with fast twist barrel and 105 gr and up slugs will whoop the 6.5 grendels arse...but then that's why the 6mm Creedmoor is heating up lol. But the factory to factory the Grendel is a match. Swede needs the modern touch to beat the Creedmoor. Same idea.
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My apologies ... I didn't realize you were on here as an educator. I'll sit back and wait for more info on the current subject matter.
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Salavee, do understand bullet construction at all?

Are you farmiliar with terms like "minimum and maximum terminal performance"? Bullet manufacturers set out certain perameters on their products which will ensure their product is being used as designed. For instance, Hornady sets a proper terminal performance on their ELDX bullets at 1800fps to 3400fps which will ensure the bullet is performing to its full potential, this means any bullet traveling within these speeds will preform as intended by the manufacturer and perform in a manner which is designed to kill efficiently when the bullet hits the vitals.

I'm not a mathematician but I'd be willing to bet that a 130gr bullet with a mv of 2550fps will still have enough speed at 300-400 yards to still be above the 1800fps range and perform as designed.

What is the magic that a headstamp has that can make one bullet traveling at 2200fps kill better than another bullet traveling at 2200fps when the only difference is the headstamp on the case the bullet came out of?
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The Maccabee SLR is a NR AR-type rifle that uses all AR15 parts.

I think im going to get a lower with 2 uppers, one being the 6.5 grendel for deer.
Been there/done that...sorta?
I have a RA XCR-L in 5.56......my varmigedden/coyote pack's worst nightmare/zombie apocalypse rifle.
Bought the .300BLK conversion for it,thinking it might be fun to hunt bush WTs with it where shot opps are generally close range and fast follow ups.
Thing is though.....every morn that I headed out for WT over the next 3 seasons,I ALWAYS reached for one of 1/2 dozen other flatter shooting/harder hitting,tried and tested,more traditional deer/elk/moose rifles in my arsenal......never used the .300BLK kit even once for deer hunting as I had originally intended.....so I re-sold it.
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Salavee, do understand bullet construction at all?

Are you farmiliar with terms like "minimum and maximum terminal performance"? Bullet manufacturers set out certain perameters on their products which will ensure their product is being used as designed. For instance, Hornady sets a proper terminal performance on their ELDX bullets at 1800fps to 3400fps which will ensure the bullet is performing to its full potential, this means any bullet traveling within these speeds will preform as intended by the manufacturer and perform in a manner which is designed to kill efficiently when the bullet hits the vitals.

I'm not a mathematician but I'd be willing to bet that a 130gr bullet with a mv of 2550fps will still have enough speed at 300-400 yards to still be above the 1800fps range and perform as designed.

What is the magic that a headstamp has that can make one bullet traveling at 2200fps kill better than another bullet traveling at 2200fps when the only difference is the headstamp on the case the bullet came out of?
Gad, you take a lot for granted. Those speeds, as you say, are minimum and maximum Mfg recommendations. You seem to think that utilizing projectiles at the bare minimum velocity ( found right next door to bullet failure) is the way to go. It is NOT benefitting from a bullets full potential. So, what does that have to do with efficiency ? You be the judge. I think most would be inclined to leave some velocity on the table .. just in case. I'll bet you don't run your vehicles on Empty all the time... but maybe you do. It saves money.
If you have ever recovered identical bullets that impacted at minimum terminal velocities and compared them to one recovered at 80% MV, I'm sure you have seen the difference. If not, try it.
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My apologies ... I didn't realize you were on here as an educator. I'll sit back and wait for more info on the current subject matter.
Right? I just have a unique way of bringing big picture stuff up to speed where it hasn't been given much thought.

Here, the Grendel forum 'knock down' thread...started in 2014. Pages and pages of what's been killed in just one spot. Very basic information template. That of course you could add to the 752 yard goat above and a ton of other kills all over the place. I'll be adding to it locally and maybe one of the first in our neighborhoods to get into this cartridge but as i said...we are often behind the times in our little nook and cranny.

http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showt...wn-quot-survey

p.s. my fav post in that thread was the guy who killed the squirrel, required a follow up shot etc. but i like that sort of humor, there is a guy in there hammering wolves with one and could think of no better cartridge or platform for that work either but i just have a general interest in seeing wolves get properly managed the amount of hogs and deer going down is impressive though, and impressive ranges too

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Gad, you take a lot for granted. Those speeds, as you say, are minimum and maximum Mfg recommendations. You seem to think that utilizing projectiles at the bare minimum velocity ( found right next door to bullet failure) is the way to go. It is NOT benefitting from a bullets full potential. So, what does that have to do with efficiency ? You be the judge. I think most would be inclined to leave some velocity on the table .. just in case. I'll bet you don't run your vehicles on Empty all the time... but maybe you do. It saves money.
If you have ever recovered identical bullets that impacted at minimum terminal velocities and compared them to one recovered at 80% MV, I'm sure you have seen the difference. If not, try it.


I did leave velocity on the table, 400fps to be exact.

How do you think a Swede with a 130gr projectile shot out of a rifle in 1964, using the latest technology of that day would compare to a 130gr projectile shot from a Grendel with the latest bullet technology of today?

Give me an honest answer if you can, it will clear the air for us in sure.
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Been there/done that...sorta?
I have a RA XCR-L in 5.56......my varmigedden/coyote pack's worst nightmare/zombie apocalypse rifle.
Bought the .300BLK conversion for it,thinking it might be fun to hunt bush WTs with it where shot opps are generally close range and fast follow ups.
Thing is though.....every morn that I headed out for WT over the next 3 seasons,I ALWAYS reached for one of 1/2 dozen other flatter shooting/harder hitting,tried and tested,more traditional deer/elk/moose rifles in my arsenal......never used the .300BLK kit even once for deer hunting as I had originally intended.....so I re-sold it.
If you had a Grendel for WT then you would not have been left wanting, bush work or dial one up half way across the quarter of crop you might be sitting over, or a cutblock etc. That's the beauty, a proper spec for big game work in an AR platform. More than enough range for whitetails typically killed inside. PBRZ with a 210 yrd zero would get you hold dead on to say 250. Sure a .243 would extend that by 50 yards. But you burn lots more powder to do it. Minimum impact velocities get both to around 400 yards, the s.d. of the Grendal being .252 vs the .242 of a 100 gr .243 partition.

Remember, somebody did push the limits of the Grendel...752 yard antelope above. 400 yard deer are falling routine to this cartridge.

Now you have a reason to get back in the AR game. The blackout was too slow. The 7.62x39 also too slow and not enough b.c./s.d. The 6.8 spc was a better choice and i killed a whitetail doe at 220 with an ASI custom mini 14 and 110gr v-max no sweat before i sold that, fine little cartridge but the Grendel whoops it's butt too. First round poi impact difference was reason i sold it, common in the mini-14 platform. But now with AR's and the Grendel....there's no choice, it is the ONLY way to fly for an auto-loader in that cartridge length. Consistent accuracy and more than enough range for deer, and will do the bigger stuff inside 2-300 without issue either.

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