Canadian Forces looking to replace Browning HiPower

[rugatika]

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...other-10-years

The Canadian military is looking to replace its Second World War-era handguns but it could take up to 10 years for all of the new pistols to be distributed to the troops.

Replacing the 1940s-era Browning handguns has been on the Department of National Defence’s procurement list for years.

But now the purchase of new guns appears to be moving ahead.

Still the Canadian Forces figures if the purchase is approved – and there are no delays – it won’t have all the new pistols in hand and being used until 2026.

The military plans to conduct a survey later this year to determine what the role of handguns might be in the future Canadian Forces.


Last year army procurement officers briefed industry representatives about their quest for a new pistol. Industry officials were told that between 15,000 and 25,000 handguns are needed and the military estimated the project would cost around $50 million, according to documents recently obtained by the Ottawa Citizen.

Any suggestions?

Glock 21?
Another 9mm?
Sig?

10 years to pick out a gun and distribute them. Seems real efficient. They must have the government involved somehow.


$50,000,000. That's around $2000 a gun supposedly including spare parts etc. I think they should use me as a middle man...looks like there's some extra juice in the orange.

[thirty-30]

P226 all the way.

[CaberTosser]

I believe JTF2 is already packing the Sig 226, just order more.

[hilt134]

I think the beretta brigadier looks solid as all get out. I dont really care what they use as long as it is what they are comfortable with and fits what they need personally. Spend the money to get what they want. And ten years is a tad pathetic if they know it needs to replaced just get it done not dragged out like a municiple road repair.

[sikwhiskey]

Hk pl30.....and since its govt contract, hk mr308 for the same coast as they would pay for just one colt pistol..............with lifetime waranty and service and free ice cream......

[sharp_85]

In my opinion they should definitely look at another 9mm. It will save a lot of headaches and unnecessary wasted time and money that would be cause by changing to a new calibre. I'd love to see P226's become standard issue but I'd even settle for just getting brand new Hi-Powers.

My favourite quote from the whole article: "Industry representatives have privately questioned why Canada would take so long to buy a new pistol, noting that the process could be completed in about a year or two at most."

It really highlights the underlying problem. The fact that the procurement system for the Canadian Forces is completely and utterly broken. The system needs to be scrapped and redone from the ground up so we can replace equipment needed in a timely manner, and no I don't consider 10-20 years a timely manner.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by rugatika

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10 years to pick out a gun and distribute them. Seems real efficient. They must have the government involved somehow.


$50,000,000. That's around $2000 a gun supposedly including spare parts etc. I think they should use me as a middle man...looks like there's some extra juice in the orange.

oh with the study and all that procurement time, plus a couple of program cancellations and restarts, the true cost per handgun will probably be $20,000 each.

Also, the story is a bit misleading. It cites the handgun as being "1940's era". I doubt soldiers are carrying around 70 year old firearms. I think that is when that model was first introduced. Heck, when was the 1911 first introduced ???? Anything wrong with it?

[ex811]

Carried the Browning High Powered 9MM for my 20 year career as an MP. Awesome weapon that I Never had a problem with, just gotta give it some tender TLC every once in a while and you were good to go.

I'd say just purchase the newest version of the Browning in 9MM. It'll save a allot of monies in the long run and be uber effect for the troops that use them.

[Selkirk]

From the National Post article linked in the OP's first post ...

" ... Industry representatives have privately questioned why Canada would take so long to buy a new pistol, noting that the process could be completed in about a year or two at most ..."

We have too many government bureaucrats, afraid to make decisions in a timely manner ... constantly kicking the can down the road.

Mac

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by MacLeod

From the National Post article linked in the OP's first post ...

" ... Industry representatives have privately questioned why Canada would take so long to buy a new pistol, noting that the process could be completed in about a year or two at most ..."

We have too many government bureaucrats, afraid to make decisions in a timely manner ... constantly kicking the can down the road.

Mac

They are taking into account the next election where the Leader of (fill in the blank) Party will promise to cancel the program.... and later reconsider. Then the next election will come and the Leader of (fill in the blank again) Party will.....

[rugatika]

Another great thing about glocks is their weight. I would imagine humping around all the weight soldiers do ounces start to matter. Especially a secondary weapon like a handgun.

[Selkirk]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

They are taking into account the next election where the Leader of (fill in the blank) Party will promise to cancel the program.... and later reconsider. Then the next election will come and the Leader of (fill in the blank again) Party will.....

Yes ... so true ^ !

And if they are estimating a 10 year process, in the end it will probably take 20 years. And in the meantime (to fill the gap), they will probably issue our troops slingshots from Walmart.

Mac