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Old 01-03-2019, 10:00 AM
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Looking for some opinions on how long you guys will fish a certain presentation before switching things up? Also when you do switch do you change presentations all together or maybe just change colors of what you are using?

All though I've been fishing hard water for about 5 years now I am still a total rookie. I've built a hard wall shelter so we don't tend to move around a lot in a day especially when the kids are out with me.

We have a cam so we pretty much switch presentations depending on what we see on the cam but when there's nothing moving down there I'm always wondering how long I should stick with a certain lure/bait before making a switch.

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Old 01-03-2019, 10:07 AM
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I usually use my flasher and when i see a fish mark i would try to lure him in. If they are not interested i would change right away to try to get a strike.

On a bad day I change up lures almost every 8-10 minutes hahaha my wife hates it. She usually just fishes one or two lures for an entire 8 hours.
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:11 AM
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If there are no fish then it doesn't matter what you are using for presentation. You can try using something flashy like a spoon or something with a rattle etc to try and draw fish in from further away but other then that there is no point in switching your presentation unless fish are rejecting it.

I rarely ever worry about colour. Type of presentation is far more important then colour imo. Can try fine tuning colour if you are getting rejections and you are pretty sure your lure should be working.

If you aren't seeing fish you are far better off moving then changing lures. Find the fish, then figure out how to get them to bite. Either that or just sit there and hope some fish start coming by(say if you know you are in a spot where the fish will come by at dusk or if fishing lakes with very few fish and no great structure etc to target).
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Old 01-03-2019, 11:04 AM
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If I am marking fish on the flasher but they just aren't taking it I will usually try the same lure in a smaller size and potentially color. If they still won't commit I will switch it up.

If I have the camera set up I can fine tune my presentation a bit more. I think color is the last variable I change. If a buddy is using the same lure as me but a different color and they are catching and I'm not, I will change then.

If there is nothing checking out my lure I will usually try something that rattles or really flashes to see if I can draw something in. If that fails, I move. Like Rav says, if there are no fish there it really doesn't matter what you are using.
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Old 01-03-2019, 11:39 AM
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Thanks guys. Seems that we have kind of been on the right track. I understand that by not moving much we are going to see less fish but our trips out to the lake are often limited to a couple three hours on a weekend in between hockey games and what not so that's a trade off that we sometimes have to make.

I appreciate the info. Some days I wonder if the stuff we are putting down the hole and how we are using it would have the hard core ice fisherman in stiches watching us but it sounds like we might be on the right track. Just need to refine our technique.

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Old 01-03-2019, 11:56 AM
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I appreciate the info. Some days I wonder if the stuff we are putting down the hole and how we are using it would have the hard core ice fisherman in stiches watching us but it sounds like we might be on the right track. Just need to refine our technique.
You mentioned you are using a camera so you should be able to tell if what you are using is effective. If the fish just cruise by they aren't interested, that could be because they don't like your lure or just aren't feeding. If the fish take a quick look at the lure then keep swimming then they aren't interested in what you are offering. If they come in and take a closer look, bump it etc then you are close but need to change it up a bit as they are interested but can tell something isn't right. If the fish are feeding and you have what they want to eat you should be able to get more fish then not to come take some sort of bite.
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Old 01-03-2019, 12:22 PM
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I had a perfect example just the other day of a change up making a difference. Marked a fish on the flasher checking out my jigging spoon but he wouldnt commit. Time after time hed follow it up a foot or two but turned away. Quickly reeled up and dropped down a jig and minnow and bam he took it immediately. Sometimes a change, no matter what it is is all that is needed.
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Old 01-03-2019, 07:27 PM
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Its important to remember fish dont eat constantly, and even if you find them when their not in feed mode, its no guarantee they will bite. I notice they will swim away from a lure and seem to get spooked by it when their not on the hunt.
Probably seeing their prey approaching them or in their bedroom makes them sketchy. Maybe Im giving them too much mental credit, but it does make sense.

When I get to a hole and dont see or get bites soon after, Ill drop a rippin rap to the bottom and rip it up like 3 feet fast. Let it drop and repeat 2-3 more times. Then add a pause and watch the flasher. Ill do that whole deal say 3-4 times then switch to a jigging spoon, often with a 8 line between spoon and treble with minnow. Ill keep my line tight so I can feel bottom, and drop the spoon on bottom repeatedly. Ill try to find a rock and some mud. This will kick up a bit of silt which will trigger lots of fish. And the banging to attract.

I have thousands in tackle, yet I use $20 worth 95% of the time. Im a sucker for buying crankbaits, lol. I will often tip a whole minnow on a lipless crankbait, head hook to head of minnow and rear to rear. Sometimes Ill let the rear hook off and that imitates the fry (crankbait) eating a minnow ( distracted prey ).

This is for Walleye and pike, but sized down can work for other fish.

Years ago I started looking at the Solunar calander ( this one is great http://www.solunarforecast.com/solunarcalendar.aspx ) and after going back through years of pictures and cross referencing date and times with the calendar it was like over 60% right, maybe even more. By right I mean in the Major time of day (tidal).
If you think about tidal forces on stuff like shrimp, bugs, plankton etc, the effect seems noteworthy. Since baitfish move to find those food sources, and our target fish move to baitfish, the connection is easy to see.

Thats not to say I wont fish on a normal day or catch fish out of the Major or Minor times of day. Yet I catch on to the times of day the Walleye move in to my spot and its like clockwork. They will cruise an area while feeding, so were usually waiting for the next pass while sitting in our tents.

I recommend the Linder Brothers book Catching Fish. One line I remember is to think of fish as a land animal, and essentially ignore the water. You wont find deer in the middle of a low grass field, in plain sight resting, normally. And you wont find them hunkered down between trees feeding. They move from a resting area to a feeding area, and fish are the same.

A natural way to think about fish is they are just at random spots and either dont move much at all, or theyve moved across the lake as far as possible, lol. Now that we have crazy sonar and bathymetric maps, scouting fish is on a whole new level. And you can do it in your underwear at 2 am, nowhere near the lake.

Im not sure why I went off on that giant rant / advice, but oh well. I agree with everything else in this thread, and if you dont see them, its just a waiting game. All you can do is ring the dinner bell.
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Old 01-03-2019, 07:37 PM
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Usually every 20 minutes I will change to a different hook, change out bait or move to different location. I have at least 4 rods sitting in the bucket at the ready with different presentations.
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Old 01-03-2019, 07:55 PM
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Awesome info thanks guys. I have started rigging up multiple rods with different stuff to to make switching easier. I’m going to try the spoon with a treble 8” below. I’ve never tried that. Keep the tips coming guys I appreciate it all.
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:38 PM
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Awesome info thanks guys. I have started rigging up multiple rods with different stuff to to make switching easier. I’m going to try the spoon with a treble 8” below. I’ve never tried that. Keep the tips coming guys I appreciate it all.


I use the northlands Buck-Shot rattle spoon in Perch 3/4 oz usually, but I have all the sizes. Smallest work for perch.

https://shop.northlandtackle.com/spo...-rattle-spoon/

Anywhere from 6 to 12 inches of line between treble and spoon, usually 6. They have ones that glow, and I bring my head lamp and a flashlight. Ill put one spoon in a slot in the tackle box, White - Glow side up and the small bright flashlight over the slot.

If I only want to give the one I have on my line a glow boost, Ill hold it up to my headlamp. You can also use your phones light or flash.

Use Fluorocarbon line between and keep the minnow a few inches off bottom, or occasionally they want it right on bottom. Check the line here and there and after every Pike.

The only issue with these is storing them. I keep a few rigged up and put them in pill bottles, a tall thin one for each. At the end of my braid mainline I have a snap swivel. And I now tie up a few treble + 8 inch lines with a snap swivel also. So if I need to switch hooks either to replace or up-down size, its quick and easy.

A Pro-Staffer gave me that trick years ago, and its my most often used lure. The spoon banging the bottom and kicking up silt gets their attention. Then you lift the rig so the minnow / hook is near bottom, and the glittering and glowing spoon is almost a foot off bottom like a beacon.

If you watch the spoon banging on camera, it might look like a fry is attacking a near dead minnow off the bottom. That and the silt give it a Frenzy look. Again, maybe I think too deep while staring at a screen, flasher or hole. lol.

The snap swivel at the end of the mainline, is almost as quick and easy as grabbing another rod. I dont store rods with lures, so I have to set them up anyways, which means by just switching leader / lure rigs Im not doing extra work. Yet I sometimes have a second rod with say a crankbait if Im switching often, or Im out in the cold.
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Old 01-04-2019, 11:19 AM
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Jig head with no tail with a minnow hooked so it sits horizontally, lightly jig
Or leave it alone all together ( deadstick) , perch walleyes pike burbout all thru the same hole on slave lake ....

I usually never switch jigs

Any color works

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Thee most important thing is to have that minnow horizontal

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Old 01-04-2019, 09:31 PM
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I use the northlands Buck-Shot rattle spoon in Perch 3/4 oz usually, but I have all the sizes. Smallest work for perch.

https://shop.northlandtackle.com/spo...-rattle-spoon/

Anywhere from 6 to 12 inches of line between treble and spoon, usually 6. They have ones that glow, and I bring my head lamp and a flashlight. Ill put one spoon in a slot in the tackle box, White - Glow side up and the small bright flashlight over the slot.

If I only want to give the one I have on my line a glow boost, Ill hold it up to my headlamp. You can also use your phones light or flash.

Use Fluorocarbon line between and keep the minnow a few inches off bottom, or occasionally they want it right on bottom. Check the line here and there and after every Pike.

The only issue with these is storing them. I keep a few rigged up and put them in pill bottles, a tall thin one for each. At the end of my braid mainline I have a snap swivel. And I now tie up a few treble + 8 inch lines with a snap swivel also. So if I need to switch hooks either to replace or up-down size, its quick and easy.

A Pro-Staffer gave me that trick years ago, and its my most often used lure. The spoon banging the bottom and kicking up silt gets their attention. Then you lift the rig so the minnow / hook is near bottom, and the glittering and glowing spoon is almost a foot off bottom like a beacon.

If you watch the spoon banging on camera, it might look like a fry is attacking a near dead minnow off the bottom. That and the silt give it a Frenzy look. Again, maybe I think too deep while staring at a screen, flasher or hole. lol.

The snap swivel at the end of the mainline, is almost as quick and easy as grabbing another rod. I dont store rods with lures, so I have to set them up anyways, which means by just switching leader / lure rigs Im not doing extra work. Yet I sometimes have a second rod with say a crankbait if Im switching often, or Im out in the cold.
Thanks PlayDoh. Ill be getting a few of those and getting them tied up.

Thanks to everyone. I never expected to get so much great info. Im excited to get back out there and put it to use.
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Old 01-04-2019, 02:57 PM
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I just target perch & pickerel so I'll usually punch a minimum of 10 holes & drop the flasher down:

1. to check depth

2. see if there are any fish

If I see anything I'll drop a Fiskas loaded with maggots or mealworms, fish each hole usually no more than 7- 10 minutes and go on to the next if I'm not getting any action. I keep 5 Marmish palm rods with an assortment of Fiskas hooks in the box & change rods out as needed. Santa delivered 35 new Fiskas hooks to top off the collection.

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Buckshot rattle spoon is fantastic, and I also like to use a Live Target rattler with a chunk of minnow on the tail treble to call 'em in when there's not much action happening...
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