Go Back   Alberta Outdoorsmen Forum > Main Category > General Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-04-2012, 04:56 PM
avb3 avb3 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Central Alberta
Posts: 7,861
Default SRD no more with new government restructuring?

The AFGA just released the following press release, which is very troubling.
No mention made of Fish & Wildlife in ESRD re-structuring!

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - (Edmonton July 4, 2012)... Alberta's largest conservation group, the Alberta Fish & Game Association (AFGA), is concerned that the newly formed Alberta Environment and Sustainable Resource Development department has created seven internal divisions none of which directly include any reference to fish or wildlife. In an internal document received by AFGA, Deputy Minister Dana Woodworth outlined the divisions as follows:
  • Strategy Division
  • Policy Division
  • Operations Division
  • Corporate Division
  • Integrated Resource Management Planning Division
  • Forestry Division
  • Transformation and Integration Division
The document continues stating"...this move has an impact on people, all of us. Old relationships will change or be redefined, and new ones will be built". This undoubtedly a euphemism for career-ending lay-offs which can potentially further damage wildlife management as experts in their fields may be let out to pasture.

This re-structuring creates many unanswered questions such as who looks after fish and wildlife, who enforces the Wildlife Act, how and who will monitor populations, will each of the divisions have a small part of fish and wildlife management and if so how well will they communicate with each other? The list goes on.

"We, as the Alberta Fish and Game Association, hope with all sincerity that these changes will keep fish and wildlife in the forefront and that it will be a better way of doing business, however at this point in time the fact that no mention is made of these two important resources provides us reason for grave concern", said AFGA President Conrad Fennema.

The Alberta Fish and Game Association is a not-for-profit volunteer organization proud to serve Albertans in the promotion of the wise use of our fish and wildlife resources and the conservation of their habitats. The AFGA has been active since 1908 in working towards these goals and has a province-wide membership of more than 21,500 individuals spread among 90+ Clubs.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-04-2012, 05:22 PM
Rob Miskosky's Avatar
Rob Miskosky Rob Miskosky is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 1,056
Default No More Fish and Wildlife Division?

http://www.afga.org/news/article/No-...c9286c3776761/

We are working on a story for the next issue of AO, but we might as well get this out there right now. Details are sketchy, but it looks like there may no longer be a fish and wildlife division in Alberta.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-04-2012, 05:24 PM
hal53's Avatar
hal53 hal53 is offline
Gone Hunting
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Lougheed,Ab.
Posts: 12,736
Default

Think some of our DV members should be phoning their MLA, RIGHT NOW!!!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-04-2012, 05:24 PM
Redneck Renagade's Avatar
Redneck Renagade Redneck Renagade is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Morinville
Posts: 2,040
Default

So who's going to be out watching for the idiots that drive black dualies and shoot where ever when ever.
__________________
A fart is nothing but the lonely cry of an imprisoned turd
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-04-2012, 05:26 PM
Okotokian's Avatar
Okotokian Okotokian is offline
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Uh, guess? :)
Posts: 26,739
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by avb3 View Post
:
  • Strategy Division
  • Policy Division
  • Operations Division
  • Corporate Division
  • Integrated Resource Management Planning Division
  • Forestry Division
  • Transformation and Integration Division
Oh man, I couldn't have dreamed up that last one even at the end of my most idiotic management retreat. I thought "strategy" and "policy" were vague enough that you could do (or not do) about anything you wanted with them. Agree with the AFGA. We need a "Critter Division" and a "Places That Critters Live Division".
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-04-2012, 05:27 PM
HunterDave HunterDave is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Copperhead Road, Morinville
Posts: 19,290
Default

I didn't vote for her.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-04-2012, 05:28 PM
Okotokian's Avatar
Okotokian Okotokian is offline
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Uh, guess? :)
Posts: 26,739
Default

arrrggghhhh I guess I can wait to see what actually happens.

Hey guys. did you vote for Harper? Fish habitat is now out the window too. Seems like all levels of government are getting even further out of the way of industry doing anything they damn well want.

Oh god, I'm starting to sound like Neil Waugh! (jk neil, jk... sorta)

Last edited by Okotokian; 07-04-2012 at 05:33 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-04-2012, 05:28 PM
Kanonfodder Kanonfodder is offline
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 4,428
Default

I didn't vote for them.....
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-04-2012, 05:29 PM
ishootbambi ishootbambi is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: medicine hat
Posts: 9,037
Default

i first heard this 6 weeks ago. im not sure its a bad thing. maybe a few of the dummies within srd will be punted, and hopefully with amalgamation there may be more funding for the guys in the field.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-04-2012, 05:30 PM
hal53's Avatar
hal53 hal53 is offline
Gone Hunting
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Lougheed,Ab.
Posts: 12,736
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanonfodder View Post
I didn't vote for them.....
well...."somebody" did...and we better nip this one in the bud pretty quick!!!
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 07-04-2012, 05:44 PM
Rackmastr Rackmastr is offline
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 7,719
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanonfodder View Post
I didn't vote for them.....
Thats already becoming very old around here.....and a bit useless...

When the Liberals were in power, its good that people werent ignorant enough to sit around and say "I didnt vote for them" and actually lobby the current government and support the opposition to show opposition and their displeasure for the things they were doing...

This is a democracy....even if 'your' side didnt win, people should still have a voice and be active. Or....a guy could just become predictable with the "I didnt vote for them" line which apparently erases all sense of interest in a subject. That cant seriously be the best that people have got around here. Hell, I dont even live in the province and I'm looking into how I can show my displeasure....
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 07-04-2012, 07:00 PM
avb3 avb3 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Central Alberta
Posts: 7,861
Default

It doesn't matter who didn't vote for her (I didn't), but it is time to get your lobby hat on. Time to get those "other" organizations on board, not just the AFGA. Organizations like the AWA, which knows how make noise, especially in the Calgary media. Does anyone have GOOD contacts in side any of the Treaty organizations.

I will be talking both to my MLA, who happens to be in cabinet, as well as another cabinet minister I know well.

This needs a full court press. You need to do more then send emails to your MLA. Written letters (hand written is best) that are mailed will get more attention. Phone calls will, and personal meetings are best. It doesn't matter who you voted for, it matters that you contact them.

This is SOOOO disturbing.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 07-04-2012, 07:07 PM
bigshell bigshell is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: east kootenay bc
Posts: 530
Default

Looks like they want more paper pushers and less boots on the ground?
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 07-04-2012, 07:12 PM
hal53's Avatar
hal53 hal53 is offline
Gone Hunting
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Lougheed,Ab.
Posts: 12,736
Default

Might be a good place to start the ball rolling right here....everyone here says all the time how much they love the hunting, fishing etc. I think it would be pretty tough for her to ignore 20,000 e-mails (also pretty sad if only 2/3 of the members here chose to send one)....
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 07-04-2012, 07:13 PM
avb3 avb3 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Central Alberta
Posts: 7,861
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hal53 View Post
Might be a good place to start the ball rolling right here....everyone here says all the time how much they love the hunting, fishing etc. I think it would be pretty tough for her to ignore 20,000 e-mails (also pretty sad if only 2/3 of the members here chose to send one)....
What Hal53 said, and see, him and I can agree on things
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 07-04-2012, 07:21 PM
pophouseman's Avatar
pophouseman pophouseman is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 1,792
Default

maybe we should get a form letter on the forum that all the members can easily cut and paste, we can Email bomb our representatives
__________________
Popped a Molly, I'm Sweating! WHOO!
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 07-04-2012, 07:25 PM
avb3 avb3 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Central Alberta
Posts: 7,861
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pophouseman View Post
maybe we should get a form letter on the forum that all the members can easily cut and paste, we can Email bomb our representatives
pophouseman, with all due respect, politicians ignore form letters as they see it as an organized drive.

It is much better to contact them as individuals. You ARE the voters, and if we can get the non-hunters and anglers upset, like we did back in the game farm and potatogate issues, we have a chance at winning this one.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 07-04-2012, 07:29 PM
hal53's Avatar
hal53 hal53 is offline
Gone Hunting
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Lougheed,Ab.
Posts: 12,736
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by avb3 View Post
pophouseman, with all due respect, politicians ignore form letters as they see it as an organized drive.

It is much better to contact them as individuals. You ARE the voters, and if we can get the non-hunters and anglers upset, like we did back in the game farm and potatogate issues, we have a chance at winning this one.
X2!!!....state in your own words your displeasure....mine has gone to her, hope many more follow...
H.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 07-04-2012, 07:48 PM
hal53's Avatar
hal53 hal53 is offline
Gone Hunting
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Lougheed,Ab.
Posts: 12,736
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Okotokian View Post
Oh man, I couldn't have dreamed up that last one even at the end of my most idiotic management retreat. I thought "strategy" and "policy" were vague enough that you could do (or not do) about anything you wanted with them. Agree with the AFGA. We need a "Critter Division" and a "Places That Critters Live Division".
the one that scares me is "integrated resource management"....hmmmmm lets put her buddy Rob McIntosh in charge of F&W....nice....real nice
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 07-04-2012, 08:23 PM
avb3 avb3 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Central Alberta
Posts: 7,861
Default Contact list for MLAs

If you want to get in contact with your MLA, here is the contact list, including email addresses and phone numbers. Phoning is best

http://www.assembly.ab.ca/net/index.aspx?p=mla_home
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 07-04-2012, 08:25 PM
hal53's Avatar
hal53 hal53 is offline
Gone Hunting
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Lougheed,Ab.
Posts: 12,736
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by avb3 View Post
If you want to get in contact with your MLA, here is the contact list, including email addresses and phone numbers. Phoning is best

http://www.assembly.ab.ca/net/index.aspx?p=mla_home
no one seems very interested....
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 07-04-2012, 08:35 PM
avb3 avb3 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Central Alberta
Posts: 7,861
Default

I have just been informed that Rick Blackwood, who was Asst. Deputy Minister for Fish and Wildlife, will be heading the Transformation and Integration Division.

I can further advise that it looks like all new divisions will be split up as per the boundaries in the in the Land-Use Framework. It will be lead by Mathew Machielse who was Assistant Deputy Minister, Economic Policy Policy Coordination in the Executive Branch.... in other words, the Premiers Office.

More news as I get it. Apparently F&W staff have a luncheon meeting this Friday which will outline more details.

Sounds like things are developing as opposed to being completely planned out, but things will go forward without F&W being front and center.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 07-04-2012, 08:39 PM
sheephunter
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Can anyone say privatization? Is it possible our F&W duties, other than enforcement that was conveniently moved the the SG's office, might be in the hands of a private agency soon?
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 07-04-2012, 08:44 PM
hal53's Avatar
hal53 hal53 is offline
Gone Hunting
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Lougheed,Ab.
Posts: 12,736
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sheephunter View Post
Can anyone say privatization? Is it possible our F&W duties, other than enforcement that was conveniently moved the the SG's office, might be in the hands of a private agency soon?
wonder if they would spin off the expanded Sherriffs role?...
gotta go find where the wife keeps the tin foil, this is getting curioser and curioser..lol
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 07-04-2012, 08:44 PM
avb3 avb3 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Central Alberta
Posts: 7,861
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sheephunter View Post
Can anyone say privatization? Is it possible our F&W duties, other than enforcement that was conveniently moved the the SG's office, might be in the hands of a private agency soon?
Geezus TJ, I hope you haven't heard any rumors to that affect!!!
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 07-04-2012, 08:47 PM
Sealclubber Sealclubber is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 199
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sheephunter View Post
Can anyone say privatization? Is it possible our F&W duties, other than enforcement that was conveniently moved the the SG's office, might be in the hands of a private agency soon?
Good grief I hope not we've privatized enough in this province already.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 07-04-2012, 08:49 PM
alittlej alittlej is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ardmore ... N/E Alberta
Posts: 296
Default

just sent my MLA for Bonnyville/Cold Lake an email asking about rumours in rgards to Fish and Wild Life
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 07-04-2012, 08:54 PM
sheephunter
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sealclubber View Post
Good grief I hope not we've privatized enough in this province already.
I don't know, depends who it goes to and what duties their are, it may not be a bad thing at all.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 07-04-2012, 08:59 PM
Big Daddy Badger Big Daddy Badger is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 12,558
Default

My understanding is that they will fall under operations.
The theory is that there will be more F&W out there enforcing and less in the office tied to the desk.

If you think thats weird...they married a big chunk AHS with SRD.
Can't wait till it comes down to an interdepartmental conflict between... a wetland or something and the people that have to live next to it.

Less government.
Sometimes getting what you want is worse than living with what you have.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 07-04-2012, 08:59 PM
avb3 avb3 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Central Alberta
Posts: 7,861
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sheephunter View Post
I don't know, depends who it goes to and what duties their are, it may not be a bad thing at all.
Well, as I outlined in post 22, Blackwood will be in charge of Transformation and Integration Division, whatever that means. Blackwood of course was the ADM in charge of F&W.

The only privatized agency that would remotely be capable would be the ACA, but I don't see that happening, as that would require a change in the legislation, and this is an administrative move, which doesn't even require a regulatory change.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:31 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.