Attach mono to fly line

[Supergrit]

Don't really know how to do this properly. Wondering what others do what kind of knots or some boughten tool to do this

[ÜberFly]

Nail Knot with Nail Knot tool!

Best is to tie a~8" piece of 20 lb mono with a perfection loop on the end so that you can have a loop to loop connection to your leader.

See here:

http://midcurrent.com/videos/how-to-tie-a-nail-knot/

With tool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=611JWRtkjOc

[rycoma]

Use the nail knot tool to make the nail knot with a piece of backing. Slide it onto the fly line and make a small loop with the fly line slide tag end of loop into the nail knot. Tighten the knot on the loop trim it up and coat it with some wader repair glue and make the transitin smooth. Now you have a built in loop conection. Its really more difficult to explaine then to do. I will try to post a picture later

[spinN'flyfish]

As a beginner have have been using the nail knot. Maybe not as good as the perfection loop knot, but works well

[abff]

The perfection loop method as UberFly and rycoma mention gives you more flexibility to change out your leader if you so desire. Say you want to use a different leader for stillwater fishing or yet another leader for chucking big bugs on a nymph rig. With the perfection loop and using loop to loop connections you now have that flexibility.

I attached a pic.

A lot of the new fly lines that you can purchase now come with manufactured loops so you don't have to add your own loop. Makes things much easier IMO.

[Okotokian]

Scratching my head as to why anyone would buy a line that didn't have a loop. What am I missing? Certainly for a beginner/intermediate a loop is easier.

[ÜberFly]

Not all lines have loops (especially NOS [new old stock]).

I've also had loops fail after a season (or within a season) and had to tie another or I have used a braided loop connector.

[kevin1949]

Originally Posted by ÜberFly

Nail Knot with Nail Knot tool!

Best is to tie a~8" piece of 20 lb mono with a perfection loop on the end so that you can have a loop to loop connection to your leader.

See here:

http://midcurrent.com/videos/how-to-tie-a-nail-knot/

With tool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=611JWRtkjOc

I think its important to have your butt section at least as large as the butt of leader.Diameter is more important than #test.I usually go .002 larger(when I do use them.

[Jayhad]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Scratching my head as to why anyone would buy a line that didn't have a loop. What am I missing? Certainly for a beginner/intermediate a loop is easier.

for small lines 000-2wt which tend to be used mostly for delicate dry presentations a loop isn't beneficial as it impacts the water too heavily..... but yes a loop is ideal. Iron Bow and Fishtales both have a fly line welding machine and can add loops to your exsisting fly lines... that's the move I would make

[Darren N]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Scratching my head as to why anyone would buy a line that didn't have a loop. What am I missing? Certainly for a beginner/intermediate a loop is easier.

I agree - and when my loop breaks I simply tie another loop. Then you can loop to loop everything. It may not be the prettiest knot but its one of the easiest and strongest. IMO

[spinN'flyfish]

All great methods. Do any of you guys out there know traditionally what they'd use to connect the lines?

[fish_e_o]

i love these things

[kilgoretrout]

I prefer a heavier butt section(different lbs strength for line weight) with a nail knot(coated with lacquer) and then my leader attached by bloodknot to that. Definitely the loop is quicker for changing leaders but will gather debris ie weed more readily tend to go this way when using heavier line weights ie streamers/tarpon/pike flies Most important is a good knot whichever ones you use

[rycoma]

They have pretty much used a nail knot forever they may have used a needle knot which if Im not mistaken passes the line through and out the middle of the fly line so your fly line and leader are perfectly in line

[davesilva]

Don't need to waste money on fancy stuff nail knot

Youtube it my friend

[ÜberFly]

Just make sure you use a couple of nail knots to secure!!

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

i love these things

[StenneS]

Albright knot for my backing and nail knot for my leader. There are some great videos out there for both.

[vital shok]

1/8 shrink tube will make a new loop in your fly line.Check it out in you tube I bought a foot for like 2 dollars.just melt the shrink tube on the fly line then cut shrink tube off.Then your new loop is fused works like a charm I made a bunch of sink tips off a old sinking line.

[Don Andersen]

Line loops hang up in the tip top and have caused rod breakage or fish loss. I cut them off and make my own using a nail knot smoothed by tying thread and UV resin.

Don

[MK2750]

I cut the loops off as well. Not only for the reason Don mentioned but because of hinging of the fly line. A weak spot often develops just in front of the loop causing the line to not lay out like it should. If you are having trouble with your cast this is the first place you should look, especially if your loops are collapsing or tailing.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by ÜberFly

Just make sure you use a couple of nail knots to secure!!

i've caught so many darn fish with them from trout in my pond to pike and salmon and never used a knot to secure it once.

they're great.

[chipchap]

I mainly use the blood knot, guess it is the one I tried first years ago and has always held up with big fish so I haven't changed, but my brother uses a nail knot. Loop knot seems interesting, they are strong, use them on streamers.

[32-40win]

Loop on the fly line to attach the leader loop, doesn't turn my crank much, it is lumpy and tends to hang up on the tip of the rod, from my experience with them. The slip-on ones are meh, pesky to install, if you don't quite have the right sized one, for the line you are installing them on, they do stay on well, they are lumpy too, though. The nail knot, once you learn to tie it, is the smoothest connection. Just use a 6-10"pc of suitably heavy mono, 15-20lb, then tie a small swivel on the end of that. That seems to work the best of what I've used. There are small swivels that are made for that purpose, that feed through the tip just fine.

[grinr]

Back in the day we called a Nail Knot Tool.........ummmmmm....a nail.

[tallieho]

Originally Posted by ÜberFly

Nail Knot with Nail Knot tool!

Best is to tie a~8" piece of 20 lb mono with a perfection loop on the end so that you can have a loop to loop connection to your leader.

See here:

http://midcurrent.com/videos/how-to-tie-a-nail-knot/

With tool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=611JWRtkjOc

I never knew that you could do so much with the nail knot tool..thanks great links

[davesilva]

Cool! To the shrink tube idea we use those a lot in electrical I'll have to take some from work!

And yeah nail knots are easy I just cut part of the end of the wd 40 spray tube

[grinr]

Originally Posted by davesilva

Cool! To the shrink tube idea we use those a lot in electrical I'll have to take some from work!

And yeah nail knots are easy I just cut part of the end of the wd 40 spray tube

Speaking of electrical....kinda related?
If you're gonna use a nail knot as I still do on occasion/have in the past for many years prior to welded loops being the norm,be sure to use an adequately thick diameter butt material,ie;20lb test or better,and use plenty of wraps.While only 4-5 wraps of 10lb will indeed hold a nail knot securely,with a thin diameter leader material,it can have a "wire stripper" effect on the tip of your fly line,leaving you with a lost fish,fly,and leader,and an inch of exposed core on the tip of your flyline.........ask me how I know this,lol?

[FlyTheory]

Originally Posted by ÜberFly

Just make sure you use a couple of nail knots to secure!!

And superglue!

[mrluke1]

Originally Posted by davesilva

Cool! To the shrink tube idea we use those a lot in electrical I'll have to take some from work!



And yeah nail knots are easy I just cut part of the end of the wd 40 spray tube

How do you shrink the tube? Mine is really bulky and snags a lot on the eyes of my rod.

[vital shok]

The shrink tube actually melts a loop into the fly line and you just cut the shrink tube off then you have a welded loop.