Alberta UCP election coming up.

[DiabeticKripple]

I put Jean #1 and Smith #7

[jesse34567]

Voted Danielle Smith #1

[traderal]

Here are some policies from two of the candidates for those of you who have not bothered to get a ballot. https://www.rebeccaforleader.ca/policy

https://www.brianjean.ca/autonomy-fo...ans-act-part-1

https://www.brianjean.ca/personal-autonomy

[Sashi]

1 week left, and it's goodbye Jason, Hello Danielle

[I’d rather be outdoors]

Originally Posted by Sashi

1 week left, and it's goodbye Jason, Hello Danielle

X2. The others don’t want to rock the boat. She does. If she doesn’t follow through, she’ll go the way of Kenney (good riddance) - all he had to do was what he said he was going to. He lied and is paying the price. Point is, Danielle is the only one with metaphorical balls at the moment.

[slough shark]

I don’t have a membership but I’m still keeping tabs. My feeling is Danielle smith either wins first ballot or doesn’t win. From there Jean is probably the front runner if it goes to a second ballot although toews and Schultz would probably be the only other ones with a snowballs chance.

[jstubbs]

The fact it's 2022 and the top candidates for leadership of the conservative party in Alberta is Danielle Smith and Brian Jean again is pathetic. 2015 is closing on being eight years ago yet somehow it's like nothing has changed.

Our conservative parties desperately need fresh blood and get rid of these unelectable grifters. At least give some competition to Notley before she dismantles whoever she's up against, because if it's Smith or Jean, you have to be kidding that they wouldn't get ran over like they did in 2015. Plus, Notley has a lot of bullets in her gun right now from the laundry list of UCP screw ups and I do think a lot of people in Alberta are thinking to themselves "You know, maybe that NDP government wasn't so bad". I know I sure am.

I really recommend everyone recognize that politics isn't sports and you can, in fact, vote for a different party, and just because a politician is on the orange team and instead of the blue team, that they can't provide a helluva lot better governance than we've gotten lately.

[dr.crentist]

Originally Posted by jstubbs

The fact it's 2022 and the top candidates for leadership of the conservative party in Alberta is Danielle Smith and Brian Jean again is pathetic. 2015 is closing on being eight years ago yet somehow it's like nothing has changed.

Our conservative parties desperately need fresh blood and get rid of these unelectable grifters. At least give some competition to Notley before she dismantles whoever she's up against, because if it's Smith or Jean, you have to be kidding that they wouldn't get ran over like they did in 2015. Plus, Notley has a lot of bullets in her gun right now from the laundry list of UCP screw ups and I do think a lot of people in Alberta are thinking to themselves "You know, maybe that NDP government wasn't so bad". I know I sure am.

I really recommend everyone recognize that politics isn't sports and you can, in fact, vote for a different party, and just because a politician is on the orange team and instead of the blue team, that they can't provide a helluva lot better governance than we've gotten lately.

Great post

[jungleboy]

Originally Posted by jstubbs

The fact it's 2022 and the top candidates for leadership of the conservative party in Alberta is Danielle Smith and Brian Jean again is pathetic. 2015 is closing on being eight years ago yet somehow it's like nothing has changed.

Our conservative parties desperately need fresh blood and get rid of these unelectable grifters. At least give some competition to Notley before she dismantles whoever she's up against, because if it's Smith or Jean, you have to be kidding that they wouldn't get ran over like they did in 2015. Plus, Notley has a lot of bullets in her gun right now from the laundry list of UCP screw ups and I do think a lot of people in Alberta are thinking to themselves "You know, maybe that NDP government wasn't so bad". I know I sure am.



I really recommend everyone recognize that politics isn't sports and you can, in fact, vote for a different party, and just because a politician is on the orange team and instead of the blue team, that they can't provide a helluva lot better governance than we've gotten lately.

Short memory

[DiabeticKripple]

Originally Posted by jstubbs

The fact it's 2022 and the top candidates for leadership of the conservative party in Alberta is Danielle Smith and Brian Jean again is pathetic. 2015 is closing on being eight years ago yet somehow it's like nothing has changed.

Our conservative parties desperately need fresh blood and get rid of these unelectable grifters. At least give some competition to Notley before she dismantles whoever she's up against, because if it's Smith or Jean, you have to be kidding that they wouldn't get ran over like they did in 2015. Plus, Notley has a lot of bullets in her gun right now from the laundry list of UCP screw ups and I do think a lot of people in Alberta are thinking to themselves "You know, maybe that NDP government wasn't so bad". I know I sure am.

I really recommend everyone recognize that politics isn't sports and you can, in fact, vote for a different party, and just because a politician is on the orange team and instead of the blue team, that they can't provide a helluva lot better governance than we've gotten lately.

Orange team will never, EVER get my vote. What a disaster those 4 years were and we are still paying for it now.

I’d sooner spoil my ballot than vote for that incompetent lot.

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by jstubbs

The fact it's 2022 and the top candidates for leadership of the conservative party in Alberta is Danielle Smith and Brian Jean again is pathetic. 2015 is closing on being eight years ago yet somehow it's like nothing has changed.

Our conservative parties desperately need fresh blood and get rid of these unelectable grifters. At least give some competition to Notley before she dismantles whoever she's up against, because if it's Smith or Jean, you have to be kidding that they wouldn't get ran over like they did in 2015. Plus, Notley has a lot of bullets in her gun right now from the laundry list of UCP screw ups and I do think a lot of people in Alberta are thinking to themselves "You know, maybe that NDP government wasn't so bad". I know I sure am.

I really recommend everyone recognize that politics isn't sports and you can, in fact, vote for a different party, and just because a politician is on the orange team and instead of the blue team, that they can't provide a helluva lot better governance than we've gotten lately.

Oh I am watching closely and the NDP has more negatives towards my personal lifestyle then an incompetent UPC

You go ahead and vote for what fits you it’s your right and I will do the same

[ESOXangler]

Originally Posted by jstubbs

The fact it's 2022 and the top candidates for leadership of the conservative party in Alberta is Danielle Smith and Brian Jean again is pathetic. 2015 is closing on being eight years ago yet somehow it's like nothing has changed.

Our conservative parties desperately need fresh blood and get rid of these unelectable grifters. At least give some competition to Notley before she dismantles whoever she's up against, because if it's Smith or Jean, you have to be kidding that they wouldn't get ran over like they did in 2015. Plus, Notley has a lot of bullets in her gun right now from the laundry list of UCP screw ups and I do think a lot of people in Alberta are thinking to themselves "You know, maybe that NDP government wasn't so bad". I know I sure am.

I really recommend everyone recognize that politics isn't sports and you can, in fact, vote for a different party, and just because a politician is on the orange team and instead of the blue team, that they can't provide a helluva lot better governance than we've gotten lately.

Well said.

It's unfortunate the options we have to choose from. All I know is in the last 3 years I've had 3 separate drs leave and my sons cardiologist has left too. My utility bills have sky rocketed (I thought privatization made it cheaper...), I've taken a wage cut, banked OT is now 1/1 instead of 1.5/1. My kids school increased fees, and getting blood work involves the same process of getting good concert tickets. Bring a chair early and sit outside in the dark and wait. All the while my company posts record profits and only pays 8% tax.

I fail to be able to link all this to notley.

[Tommy]

2X, I am in the twilight of my career so saved up for the big hit i knew was going to come.
Really feel for the young people starting out though. Many are close to complete financial disaster, one loses a job and there done. I don't think any party can turn this train wreck anytime soon. I not a NDP fan but your right can't be all their fault.

Tommy

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

Well said.

It's unfortunate the options we have to choose from. All I know is in the last 3 years I've had 3 separate drs leave and my sons cardiologist has left too. My utility bills have sky rocketed (I thought privatization made it cheaper...), I've taken a wage cut, banked OT is now 1/1 instead of 1.5/1. My kids school increased fees, and getting blood work involves the same process of getting good concert tickets. Bring a chair early and sit outside in the dark and wait. All the while my company posts record profits and only pays 8% tax.

I fail to be able to link all this to notley.

Definitely not all the Alberta NDP and the issues are across Canada not just Alberta. The medical system issues especially and it’s not a matter of the party in power in the province when it comes to this problem

[leeaspell]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

Well said.



It's unfortunate the options we have to choose from. All I know is in the last 3 years I've had 3 separate drs leave and my sons cardiologist has left too. My utility bills have sky rocketed (I thought privatization made it cheaper...), I've taken a wage cut, banked OT is now 1/1 instead of 1.5/1. My kids school increased fees, and getting blood work involves the same process of getting good concert tickets. Bring a chair early and sit outside in the dark and wait. All the while my company posts record profits and only pays 8% tax.



I fail to be able to link all this to notley.

Same here, doctor's are leaving like crazy. I also Didn't have to pay to camp in the bush back then either. I despise the NDP but I definitely feel I had a little more cash in my pocket back then, now I feel I just get nickled and dimed everytime I turn around.

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[KC1]

Originally Posted by diabetickripple

orange team will never, ever get my vote. What a disaster those 4 years were and we are still paying for it now.

I’d sooner spoil my ballot than vote for that incompetent lot.

👍

[FortMac]

Originally Posted by ESOXangler

Well said.

It's unfortunate the options we have to choose from. All I know is in the last 3 years I've had 3 separate drs leave and my sons cardiologist has left too. My utility bills have sky rocketed (I thought privatization made it cheaper...), I've taken a wage cut, banked OT is now 1/1 instead of 1.5/1. My kids school increased fees, and getting blood work involves the same process of getting good concert tickets. Bring a chair early and sit outside in the dark and wait. All the while my company posts record profits and only pays 8% tax.

I fail to be able to link all this to notley.

Where are the doctors going tho? I see on Reddit, Which is a heavily biased left wing site, everyone there blames the UCP for the doctors leaving for "Greener pastures" , but a Quick Google search shows Alberta's doctors make the most in Canada on Average and we have lower taxes. So where are they going and why? With a mass surplus of money, there should definitely be some sort of incentive to keep doctors in Rural areas (Red deer hospital on the verge of a collapse) but I don't know where these doctors are leaving for, as everywhere else in Canada pays less and has higher taxes.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by FortMac

Where are the doctors going tho? I see on Reddit, Which is a heavily biased left wing site, everyone there blames the UCP for the doctors leaving for "Greener pastures" , but a Quick Google search shows Alberta's doctors make the most in Canada on Average and we have lower taxes. So where are they going and why? With a mass surplus of money, there should definitely be some sort of incentive to keep doctors in Rural areas (Red deer hospital on the verge of a collapse) but I don't know where these doctors are leaving for, as everywhere else in Canada pays less and has higher taxes.

Shhhh....you're spoiling the "paint the town orange" party

[gman1978]

Originally Posted by leeaspell

Same here, doctor's are leaving like crazy. I also Didn't have to pay to camp in the bush back then either. I despise the NDP but I definitely feel I had a little more cash in my pocket back then, now I feel I just get nickled and dimed everytime I turn around.

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Everyone had more money in their pockets and it had nothing to do with the NDP. You can thank our federal dictator for the situation we are in now. If you want less money in your pocket than you do today?? Vote NDP they will blast us into the Great Depression.

[jstubbs]

Originally Posted by FortMac

Where are the doctors going tho? I see on Reddit, Which is a heavily biased left wing site, everyone there blames the UCP for the doctors leaving for "Greener pastures" , but a Quick Google search shows Alberta's doctors make the most in Canada on Average and we have lower taxes. So where are they going and why? With a mass surplus of money, there should definitely be some sort of incentive to keep doctors in Rural areas (Red deer hospital on the verge of a collapse) but I don't know where these doctors are leaving for, as everywhere else in Canada pays less and has higher taxes.

It’s not a financial issue, it goes beyond that. We’re not talking about doctors moving out of this province because they aren’t paid enough to live here comfortably. This government chose to fight their doctors over compensation during a worldwide pandemic when they were all working their collective asses off for us. This government where the Minister of Health screamed at a doctor on his driveway. This government is also actively cutting (and privatizing) healthcare funding that makes working for AHS facilities and services more and more stressful, frustrating and miserable.

We’ve all experienced it: working at a place that pays above market wages, but the management is incredibly incompetent if not hostile and is actively making cuts continually that make the job worse. Why stay when you have skills to go anywhere else and not have to put up with this crap, even if it means you might take a slight haircut on pay?

[Outbound]

Originally Posted by FortMac

Where are the doctors going tho? I see on Reddit, Which is a heavily biased left wing site, everyone there blames the UCP for the doctors leaving for "Greener pastures" , but a Quick Google search shows Alberta's doctors make the most in Canada on Average and we have lower taxes. So where are they going and why? With a mass surplus of money, there should definitely be some sort of incentive to keep doctors in Rural areas (Red deer hospital on the verge of a collapse) but I don't know where these doctors are leaving for, as everywhere else in Canada pays less and has higher taxes.

Our family doctor left to go to the US. Well over twice the pay, lower cost of living, lower taxes, more innovation in medicine were a few of the reasons he told us.

Canada is a backwater of medicine. There's a reason that most doctors in Canada have names you can't pronounce and "degrees" from 3rd world crapholes like Libya while the real doctors head down the US.

[teberle]

Regardless of who wins, a faction of the party will be alienated, the fight between the establishment neocons and the populists within the party will continue, and voters will abandon it in various directions, for various reasons. Big-tent conservatism is dying in Canada (as well as in other places), and the UCP as a concept is unsustainable.

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by jstubbs

It’s not a financial issue, it goes beyond that. We’re not talking about doctors moving out of this province because they aren’t paid enough to live here comfortably. This government chose to fight their doctors over compensation during a worldwide pandemic when they were all working their collective asses off for us. This government where the Minister of Health screamed at a doctor on his driveway. This government is also actively cutting (and privatizing) healthcare funding that makes working for AHS facilities and services more and more stressful, frustrating and miserable.

We’ve all experienced it: working at a place that pays above market wages, but the management is incredibly incompetent if not hostile and is actively making cuts continually that make the job worse. Why stay when you have skills to go anywhere else and not have to put up with this crap, even if it means you might take a slight haircut on pay?

I know there is shortages in BC, Manitoba, and Ontario too it’s not just Alberta. I bet if I talk to people in the other provinces it’s the same story

This is not just an Alberta problem I can tell you it’s been an issue in BC for much longer too. When I lived in BC last 2 of the Dr’s in our community were actually from Edmonton but spent a set amount of days at our local hospital because of the hospital was so short

There is a shortage of trained DR’s in Canada and part of it is they get better offers in the US.

[FortMac]

Originally Posted by Outbound

Our family doctor left to go to the US. Well over twice the pay, lower cost of living, lower taxes, more innovation in medicine were a few of the reasons he told us.

Canada is a backwater of medicine. There's a reason that most doctors in Canada have names you can't pronounce and "degrees" from 3rd world crapholes like Libya while the real doctors head down the US.

I wad working a job down in Caresland in August, our Safety guy was a Doctor, He finished his schooling and was in the process of finishing the 2 years of free work they have to do to get their license. He did his schooling in the Caribean, said it was same standards but Canada has some sort of deal where they take in a bunch of foreign trained doctors and only X amount of Canadian trained doctors. It was something alone those lines, he said it was substantially easier to get placement if he did his education outside the country. This might have something to do with the Doctor shortage. As for the US wages thing, I have zero idea what the solution to that is. How could I convince someone who isn't from High Level, To live In High Level or any other remote Canadian town for 50% less than they would make in the US?

Offer doctors a contract of zero percent provincial tax?

[HyperMOA]

Instead of bringing the destruction and communism of the NDP to Alberta, why don’t you guys move to one of the utopian provinces that regularly elect them?

All that green, green grass is waiting for you.

I’m a political refugee from sask that escaped the NDP’s reign 20 odd years ago. I truly don’t want to see it here. Leave one bastion of sanity in this country.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by FortMac

I wad working a job down in Caresland in August, our Safety guy was a Doctor, He finished his schooling and was in the process of finishing the 2 years of free work they have to do to get their license. He did his schooling in the Caribean, said it was same standards but Canada has some sort of deal where they take in a bunch of foreign trained doctors and only X amount of Canadian trained doctors. It was something alone those lines, he said it was substantially easier to get placement if he did his education outside the country. This might have something to do with the Doctor shortage. As for the US wages thing, I have zero idea what the solution to that is. How could I convince someone who isn't from High Level, To live In High Level or any other remote Canadian town for 50% less than they would make in the US?

Offer doctors a contract of zero percent provincial tax?

I’m not sure if it’s federal or provincial, or BS but I heard a tale out of school that the government has capped what they can earn per day now. Essentially removing their “OT”. I can’t confirm that as truth but respect the source enough to believe it may be true. Anyone else know if I’m right or is it just bologna?

[Scott N]

Can anyone name a "successful" NDP Government in Canadian Politics? Anyone who thinks the NDP is going to save you money is off base.

[landowner]

While I like a lot of what Danelle is saying, when it came time to put pen to paper I just couldn’t do it. I still have bitter memories of how she gutted the WildRose. Not sure she won’t do something dumb and let NDP have an easy victory.

[cody j]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

Instead of bringing the destruction and communism of the NDP to Alberta, why don’t you guys move to one of the utopian provinces that regularly elect them?

All that green, green grass is waiting for you.

I’m a political refugee from sask that escaped the NDP’s reign 20 odd years ago. I truly don’t want to see it here. Leave one bastion of sanity in this country.

You are right, my family lived in Saskatchewan for over 20 yrs, my parents know all about how great the NDP is. Some people here think they are sticking it to the UCP if they vote NDP, but they are just sticking it to themselves

[mac1983]

Yep, there seems to be a lot of refugees from other provinces that would elect the NDP in a heartbeat rather than see someone from Alberta who actually cares about Alberta running the show here. ie Danielle Smith