Alberta UCP election coming up.

[KegRiver]

So once again we get a new suit on an old crook.

JK in a female.

More of the same from a corrupt system.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by KGB

Changing the election law would be a good start to give western provinces more votes…. I have big hopes for PP!

Again, that is something that only a federal government can do, Alberta can't just create new seats.

[cody j]

I’m glad Smith won, if we don’t change anything nothing will ever change. It’s time to try something different.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by cody j

I’m glad Smith won, if we don’t change anything nothing will ever change. It’s time to try something different.

I'm sitting here this morning and wondering how long it will be before Brian Jean decides to retire from politics and go back to private life for a couple of years then return when there's a leadership race. He doesn't ever seem to want to put the work in. To build relationships etc. Sadly I think his time has come and gone.

I do hope the UCP can stay united, I won't hold my breath on this though.

BW

[fishnguy]

Originally Posted by KGB

Hah! Never say never! If Pierre becomes the PM- and I sincerely hope so!- he just might be the guy who is going to stand up for Alberta….and go along with DS plans….

By the time he becomes the PM, she won’t be the premier, I think.

I am not even going to say “she can’t deliver on many (most) of her “ideas”” because there isn’t a way to even approach it. She won’t leave our resources landlocked? Lol. She will go to court with carbon tax? Lol. And so on. Add the “naturopathy”, cancer comments, ivermectin for rona, and other rubbish and you can clearly see she is simply not fit for the job. Oh well, we have what we have.

She is not going to “attract new votes” and will lose voters instead.

[Ackleyman]

How about put away the pitch forks and blow torches and give her a chance.
She is all we have at the present.

[mac1983]

The best candidate won.

The ones complaining about her complain about everything.

Time for a real conservative to straighten this ****show out.

[Sooner]

Originally Posted by Ackleyman

How about put away the pitch forks and blow torches and give her a chance.
She is all we have at the present.

Have to agree. If this thread is a snapshot into the parties support of the new leader, she is doomed before she even gets a chance. If we don't support her, guess who's back. Notley and Philips to wreak havoc.

I think Notley went awww crap last night. Her path to a easy win just changed course. I am happy she & Turds won't be able to use the same old white guy rhetoric against her. DS, like PP, can defiantly debate like a champ. Should be a good election battle in May. With Ab on a bit of a rebound, maybe the Dippers chances are slim.

As a disgruntled Albertan who is tired of the east dictating what happens with everything we do, I kinda like her take no prisoner attitude. Do I think she can do everything she says she can, nope but I look at it if Quebec can do and say the same stuff and get results, so should every other province.


Kenney talked tough and did little with the fight against Ottawa(although a pandemic for most of his reign didn't help), let's see what she will do. A UCP government Imo, is still better than the Notley/Philips tag team for the next 4 years.

[jstubbs]

Originally Posted by Dick284

She’s floating the sovereignty act stuff as a way of getting Ottawa, to wake up and take notice, and hopefully come to heal, just like Quebec’s distinct society declaration……

Albertans are their own worst enemy when it comes to Ottawa. We vote full blue every election. Why would the Liberals give a damn about Alberta when they’ll never win our votes anyway? Why would the Conservatives give a damn about Alberta when they’ll get our votes regardless? It’s the same case in the Maritimes, they’re so loyal to the red that the governing party doesn’t care about them regardless because their votes are largely decided before an election campaign even begins.

Alberta sovereignty is a joke and will continue to be a joke.. It makes little sense constitutionally and the comparison between us and Quebec is laughable—it ignores the hundreds of years of history involving French colonial settlers and the distinction between British and French colonies in Canada. There are numerous substantial differences between Quebec and the rest of Canada that their sovereignty does at least make a degree of sense. Alberta’s is “i’m taking my toys and going home because I didn’t get my way”.

[FortMac]

If "my way" is wanting to work and not have my provinces lifeline consistently attacked by lesser people and places , then yes, I will take my ball and try to go home.

[I’d rather be outdoors]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

So….
Kenny out with51% approval….

Bring in someone with 53% approval….


….. and now an unelected person is bringing in the ‘sovereignty act’

….

I know, right? About time the sovereignty act is brought in! She’s just doing what Kenney didn’t have the balls for.

[I’d rather be outdoors]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Her Sovereignty Act proposes ignoring some federal legislation and court rulings, which Ottawa will never allow.

Doesn’t matter what Ottawa wants. The sooner this all leads to a constitutional challenge the better.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by I’d rather be outdoors

Doesn’t matter what Ottawa wants. The sooner this all leads to a constitutional challenge the better.

And Trudeau's judges will just rule against Alberta. We need a change in federal government, to accomplish anything.

[bessiedog]

Originally Posted by I’d rather be outdoors

I know, right? About time the sovereignty act is brought in! She’s just doing what Kenney didn’t have the balls for.

I could care less about the act

My point is that she’s really got no legit ‘peoples mandate’ to bring this in at this time.

Win the next election… then make it bill number one for all I care.

It’s undemocratic to operate without the consent of the governed.

Simple as that.


Hee bringing it in before an election smacks of cowardess.

What the hells 7-8 months gonna make…?

[pittman]

DS will have to moderate her perspectives if she's hoping to stay in power past the next election.

While she currently appeals to card holding UCP members with her polarizing and unrealistic plans, this won't fly for the majority of Alberta voters. Most Albertans understand that the "sovereignty act" is a load of rubbish and anyone peddling such nonsense isn't fit for a leadership position.

I'm sure her team of strategists will inform her of that as the election approaches.

In any case, let's see what she accomplishes before then.

[Dynamic]

What a ride for Smith! I will give her credit. Came back from being down and out years ago and blabbering on some radio show. To now being the Premier. What a cool story.......

Actually just kidding. IMO she is a joke and it is pretty embarrassing that someone as tone deaf and cooky as her can slide into that position. The funniest part was her smile at the convention yesterday when she literally just over half the vote after what ...... 6 ballots! After a "win" like that I would probably be a little more humble. As far as I'm concerned she has no mandate to do anything. She should just come to work. Sit in the chair and pretend to be important. Make some appearances, heck go represent Alberta at some convention. Basically try not to screw anything up for 7 months until the real Premier gets elected.

The fact that more people are not concerned about her talking about her sovereignty act like it is something that Albertans asked for is troubling. I did not see that in any UPC platform. Heck half the crap they are peddling like provincial police force and starting our own pension fund was not mentioned on their platform when being elected last go around.

[FortMac]

Originally Posted by Dynamic

What a ride for Smith! I will give her credit. Came back from being down and out years ago and blabbering on some radio show. To now being the Premier. What a cool story.......

Actually just kidding. IMO she is a joke and it is pretty embarrassing that someone as tone deaf and cooky as her can slide into that position. The funniest part was her smile at the convention yesterday when she literally just over half the vote after what ...... 6 ballots! After a "win" like that I would probably be a little more humble. As far as I'm concerned she has no mandate to do anything. She should just come to work. Sit in the chair and pretend to be important. Make some appearances, heck go represent Alberta at some convention. Basically try not to screw anything up for 7 months until the real Premier gets elected.

The fact that more people are not concerned about her talking about her sovereignty act like it is something that Albertans asked for is troubling. I did not see that in any UPC platform. Heck half the crap they are peddling like provincial police force and starting our own pension fund was not mentioned on their platform when being elected last go around.

Maybe Notley can get elected and we can all just be They/thems and get government jobs where we don't have to do anything.

The UCP very much mentioned our own pension plans and a provincial police force prior to the election, you should have paid attention

[hogie]

We have hostile federal government that could care less about Alberta. They like to take but never even acknowledge we give.

Seems like many would rather just get kicked and stare at the ground than maybe try to stand up.

I'd rather stand.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by hogie

We have hostile federal government that could care less about Alberta. They like to take but never even acknowledge we give.

Seems like many would rather just get kicked and stare at the ground than maybe try to stand up.

I'd rather stand.

Agreed.

It’s almost like Stockholm syndrome.

[Dynamic]

Originally Posted by FortMac

Maybe Notley can get elected and we can all just be They/thems and get government jobs where we don't have to do anything.

The UCP very much mentioned our own pension plans and a provincial police force prior to the election, you should have paid attention

This has nothing to do with Notley but since you mentioned it I'll bite. If the shoe was on the other foot and Notley stepped because the party was faltering and divided aside literally with just over 6 months left. Would you be okay with her replacement thinking he/she has a mandate? Heck take it a step further to make it more comparable. Imagine Notley stepping down and someone even further left like some far left environmentalist greenpeace loser got elected to be leader for the last 7 months. And they walked out of the leadership convention like they had some kind of mandate. I think I know how you would feel and it does not matter if your left/right/conservative/ndp/liberal/swampmonster.......you work for the people. You need to know when you got the pull and when to realize it is time to just play the part.

And for the other part you mentioned. The Alberta Provincial Police Force and the creation of some Alberta Pension plan. I helped you out and here is the link to the last UPC party platform. https://albertastrongandfree.ca/wp-c...Platform-1.pdf Since you said it was mentioned before I would love for you to tell me where in the platform it was mentioned. Because my recollection is that this stuff came after and seemed to stem from these townhalls they had early on. I could be wrong but I would like to be proven wrong first. If I am wrong I guess I should of paid more attention.

[FortMac]

Originally Posted by Dynamic

This has nothing to do with Notley but since you mentioned it I'll bite. If the shoe was on the other foot and Notley stepped because the party was faltering and divided aside literally with just over 6 months left. Would you be okay with her replacement thinking he/she has a mandate? Heck take it a step further to make it more comparable. Imagine Notley stepping down and someone even further left like some far left environmentalist greenpeace loser got elected to be leader for the last 7 months. And they walked out of the leadership convention like they had some kind of mandate. I think I know how you would feel and it does not matter if your left/right/conservative/ndp/liberal/swampmonster.......you work for the people. You need to know when you got the pull and when to realize it is time to just play the part.

And for the other part you mentioned. The Alberta Provincial Police Force and the creation of some Alberta Pension plan. I helped you out and here is the link to the last UPC party platform. https://albertastrongandfree.ca/wp-c...Platform-1.pdf Since you said it was mentioned before I would love for you to tell me where in the platform it was mentioned. Because my recollection is that this stuff came after and seemed to stem from these townhalls they had early on. I could be wrong but I would like to be proven wrong first. If I am wrong I guess I should of paid more attention.

The NDP never had a mandate, they got 30% of the vote.

When the 2 parties formed into the UCP, Did the NDP respect the Wishes of 65% of Voters who never voted for them? No, they didn't.

Smith can get into office, make a few safe moves and then let Rachel and the rest of Edmontons NDP know what time it is.

The UCP was given a Mandate, Not Jason Kenney, that hasn't changed

[landowner]

Originally Posted by FortMac

The NDP never had a mandate, they got 30% of the vote.

When the 2 parties formed into the UCP, Did the NDP respect the Wishes of 65% of Voters who never voted for them? No, they didn't.

Smith can get into office, make a few safe moves and then let Rachel and the rest of Edmontons NDP know what time it is.

The UCP was given a Mandate, Not Jason Kenney, that hasn't changed

I agree, mandate -schmandate … if UCP makes drastic moves that don’t work out, they will be taken to task in the next election.

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

And Trudeau's judges will just rule against Alberta. We need a change in federal government, to accomplish anything.

Quebec does it regularly, using the Notwithstanding clause in the constitution. We have the same option.

Grizz

[bessiedog]

Originally Posted by Dynamic

What a ride for Smith! I will give her credit. Came back from being down and out years ago and blabbering on some radio show. To now being the Premier. What a cool story.......

Actually just kidding. IMO she is a joke and it is pretty embarrassing that someone as tone deaf and cooky as her can slide into that position. The funniest part was her smile at the convention yesterday when she literally just over half the vote after what ...... 6 ballots! After a "win" like that I would probably be a little more humble. As far as I'm concerned she has no mandate to do anything. She should just come to work. Sit in the chair and pretend to be important. Make some appearances, heck go represent Alberta at some convention. Basically try not to screw anything up for 7 months until the real Premier gets elected.

The fact that more people are not concerned about her talking about her sovereignty act like it is something that Albertans asked for is troubling. I did not see that in any UPC platform. Heck half the crap they are peddling like provincial police force and starting our own pension fund was not mentioned on their platform when being elected last go around.

Wise post!

Well said.

Dear Ms. Smith
Win an election, get a proper mandate from Albertans.

Then do your kooky ideas.

I’ll be fine with that.

Alberta police, Sov Act, etc…. Are dog whistle distraction policies that are intended to distract from real issues.

But after an election if you’re still in…then have at er.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

Quebec does it regularly, using the Notwithstanding clause in the constitution. We have the same option.

Grizz

Ottawa always has, and always will bend over for Quebec, but Alberta isn't Quebec.

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams1

Quebec does it regularly, using the Notwithstanding clause in the constitution. We have the same option.

Grizz

That only works if your French in this country.

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Ottawa always has, and always will bend over for Quebec, but Alberta isn't Quebec.

Exactly.

Alberta is not Quebec and never will be. Because they have enough seats to hold the balance of power and we don't and never will.

Plus a fair percent of them vote Liberal, Enough to outvote our Conservative votes.

Quebec has 71 seats, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba combined have only 59 seats.

By ourselves we only have 37 seats, or about the same number of Quebec seats that went Liberal in the last election. In fact two less seats voted Liberal in Quebec then our total.

But we elected fewer Conservatives then they did Liberal. In fact we elected four less Conservatives then they elected Liberals in the last election.

We have zero political clout in Ottawa

The feds know they can steamroll us and get away with it, They dare not even think of doing that to Quebec.

The Notwithstanding clause or a sovereignty act will not change that.

We can't vote our way out of this and we can't legislate our way out either.

Any politician that claims we can is playing fast and loose with the truth.

It all comes down to the number of seats each province has and only Ottawa gets to decide who gets what number.

[Dynamic]

Originally Posted by FortMac

The NDP never had a mandate, they got 30% of the vote.

When the 2 parties formed into the UCP, Did the NDP respect the Wishes of 65% of Voters who never voted for them? No, they didn't.

Smith can get into office, make a few safe moves and then let Rachel and the rest of Edmontons NDP know what time it is.

The UCP was given a Mandate, Not Jason Kenney, that hasn't changed

There is a big difference between Notley and the NDP is 2015 where they wrapped up most of the seats and Danielle Smith winning a leadership race in a fractured party getting a 40-50k votes.

And yes the UPC was given a mandate. Not Danielle Smith. Hence my point of her job right now is to work behind the scenes, try to get some semblance of normal for the UPC, and just hold the wheel of the ship for a few months.
If she manages to pull the UPC together and win the next election with her platform then she can fill her boots. Whatever happens it will be interesting.

[makin tracks]

Originally Posted by Dynamic

There is a big difference between Notley and the NDP is 2015 where they wrapped up most of the seats and Danielle Smith winning a leadership race in a fractured party getting a 40-50k votes.

And yes the UPC was given a mandate. Not Danielle Smith. Hence my point of her job right now is to work behind the scenes, try to get some semblance of normal for the UPC, and just hold the wheel of the ship for a few months.
If she manages to pull the UPC together and win the next election with her platform then she can fill her boots. Whatever happens it will be interesting.

i totally agree, get the ship under control, gain majority next election, push NDP into none party status, and start putting this ship on course. if we don't push nothing will change.

[bessiedog]

Well…… the notwithstanding clause really can give Albertans some power … and it for sure makes issues get noticed. Perhaps we should employ it more.

The constitution does have several power provisions that I believe have not been used properly…. Albertans need to use them.

We also need to be effective leaders at the council of the Federation…

Re: Smith’s ‘expertise gained as a talk show host…..

Radio talk shows…. Honestly reflect such a small…. Non representative demographic.

If Smithis going to play to that crowd…….. then welcome back Notley.