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Imo they shouldn't have reported it as terrorism because it probably isn't.
Most of these domestic terrorism cases by "Isis" are just local loonies that say they are with Isis. Having an Isis flag just means they are crazy idiots, doesn't mean they are true terrorists operating as Isis tells them to act.
Reporting these acts as terrorism spreads fear which is what gives terrorists their power. Best to forget about the flag until a terrorist group claims the act. Then it is just another stabbing instead of a terrorist attack.
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10-01-2017, 09:57 AM
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That depends on definitions of the two which I could care less about. What I believe is important is in differentiating between the two as there is a very big difference imo.
Terrorism is the new headline for gimme views and the news loves to use it at the first moment possible... Reporting all these attacks as terrorism only empowers these groups and individuals by creating fear and hate. These news reports are what helps these groups recruit individuals and have other individuals commit acts on their behalf so yes I do believe headlines as such should be avoided unless it is absolutely clear what has happened.
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But by ignoring these incidents are we not normalizing them?
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Why can't the ISIS flag be condemned much like other flags have? Like the Confederate Flag for example.
Or are the bleeding hearts feeling if we do that then we are being culturally insensitive to terrorists?
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Heard from a buddies wife, bomb units went out a few minute after the initial crash. No word but the vid from the chief I saw at 2am stating that it was ISIS and there were multiple bomb threats has been removed. As usual they are trying to keep us in the dark. 
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10-01-2017, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by RavYak
What I am saying is that to me this doesn't seem like an act carried out by undercover terrorists that are professionally trained. It seems more like local idiots with an Isis flag creating trouble.
Still related to terrorism but I highly doubt it was a planned Isis attack.
If it was an actual Isis terrorist attack we almost certainly would have been reading about far more then a high speed pursuit and a failed stabbing...
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You don't get it...ISIS has stated that they see their main route of attack as using social media to convince individuals to commit lone wolf attacks.
It is terrorism, plain and simple...and the root of most of these lone wolf attacks can be traced back to ISIS social media.
The way they use social media is very professional.
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10-01-2017, 10:17 AM
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You don't get it...ISIS has stated that they see their main route of attack as using social media to convince individuals to commit lone wolf attacks.
It is terrorism, plain and simple...and the root of most of these lone wolf attacks can be traced back to ISIS social media.
The way they use social media is very professional.
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I agree 100%. Terrorism. Likely internet inspired. The dark web is named accurately.
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10-01-2017, 10:17 AM
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I read somewhere that it was "military appreciation' night at the football game - which might have been motivation for the terrorist attack?
Nhl teams have military appreciation nights as well. I'll be sure to skip that game in Calgary.
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10-01-2017, 10:18 AM
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I read somewhere that it was "military appreciation' night at the football game - which might have been motivation for the terrorist attack?
Nhl teams have military appreciation nights as well. I'll be sure to skip that game in Calgary.
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10-01-2017, 10:20 AM
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They have already won.
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10-01-2017, 10:25 AM
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Now Ive heard it all. Professionally trained terrosists.
Well, you see sir, we at ISIL are only looking for red seal certified terrosist. Home hobbyists and tinkerers need not apply.
What dream land do you live in to think like this?
ISIL spends significant time using alternative resources to recruit and cultivate fervor just for acts like this. This type of terrorism is extremely hard to forsee, predict and prevent. Thats what they want.
Because if they arent in a control room with drones, electronics, ak47s, bombas and terrorist uniforms they arent real terroists.
Pull your head out.
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10-01-2017, 10:27 AM
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They have already won.
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I hate quitters.
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10-01-2017, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by RavYak
Imo they shouldn't have reported it as terrorism because it probably isn't.
Most of these domestic terrorism cases by "Isis" are just local loonies that say they are with Isis. Having an Isis flag just means they are crazy idiots, doesn't mean they are true terrorists operating as Isis tells them to act.
Reporting these acts as terrorism spreads fear which is what gives terrorists their power. Best to forget about the flag until a terrorist group claims the act. Then it is just another stabbing instead of a terrorist attack.
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Are you kidding, you sound like a brainwashed liberal. ISIS/ISIL, Muslim Brotherhood and the Taliban have all used attacks like this to start before moving on to more deadly things. On top of that we are not getting the whole story as our leftist media is hiding thing as usual.
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10-01-2017, 10:31 AM
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If this guy has drank the ISIS kool-aid then this is terrorism. If it is a lone wolf who committed the act, then it is also terrorism. Since he has an ISIS flag than it is either the former or the latter. If no flag, then it is either the former or the latter.
Very simple really.
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10-01-2017, 10:32 AM
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But by ignoring these incidents are we not normalizing them?
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Yes just like every other similar crime.
No one probably knows about Spiros Tziklas. The man was just found stabbed to death here in Edmonton a couple weeks back. Whoever killed him could be more dangerous to Edmontonians then these guys for all we know but the event wasn't sensationalist enough so it didn't get the headlines or coverage so most probably knew nothing about it or maybe saw some little comment in the news somewhere then forgot about it.
By not using these sensationalist headlines we would actually be fighting terrorism. Terrorism uses these headlines and reports to build tension between people. This event and headlines will now lead to a bunch of Edmontonians being paranoid of every brown guy they see... There will be hateful words exchanged, nasty notes left in their communities, potentially physical altercations etc all because of this news coverage making a big deal out of a vehicle chase and an attacked officer. Tensions will rise, rifts between society will increase and those individuals who already hate society because they have trouble making friends or finding work etc because of their skin colour or heritage will eventually break and commit similar events like this.
If you want to fight terrorism and events like this then go out and be friendly with our local populations of middle east heritage. Make them feel welcome and make them feel as if Canada is a nice place for them to live. That is how you fight terrorism, not with headlines that induce fear and hate...
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10-01-2017, 10:33 AM
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They have already won.
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10-01-2017, 10:33 AM
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Terrorist Attack in Edmonton
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"IS flag found in Edmonton" is a poor choice for a thread title. While an IS flag was reported to have been found in the terrorist's car the big story is that there was a terrorist attack in Edmonton.
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10-01-2017, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by bobtodrick
You don't get it...ISIS has stated that they see their main route of attack as using social media to convince individuals to commit lone wolf attacks.
It is terrorism, plain and simple...and the root of most of these lone wolf attacks can be traced back to ISIS social media.
The way they use social media is very professional.
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And you don't get it, read my last reply to know why.
These reports/headlines and fear mongering is what fuels this type of terrorism.
Hence why I believe it shouldn't be reported as terrorism. It should be reported as the crimes that are committed, we need to take the aspect of race and discrimination out of this reporting.
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Next time, I walk downtown Edmonton. I will be taking a bat to a knife fight. Wonder what if Wholesale sports have sale on fish beaters? 
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10-01-2017, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by RavYak
And you don't get it, read my last reply to know why.
These reports/headlines and fear mongering is what fuels this type of terrorism.
Hence why I believe it shouldn't be reported as terrorism. It should be reported as the crimes that are committed, we need to take the aspect of race and discrimination out of this reporting.
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So Trudeau is being racist and discriminatory then?
This will really warp the minds of Liberal supporters who will be gearing up to virtue signal, even their god is calling this terrorism.
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10-01-2017, 10:39 AM
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Yes just like every other similar crime.
No one probably knows about Spiros Tziklas. The man was just found stabbed to death here in Edmonton a couple weeks back. Whoever killed him could be more dangerous to Edmontonians then these guys for all we know but the event wasn't sensationalist enough so it didn't get the headlines or coverage so most probably knew nothing about it or maybe saw some little comment in the news somewhere then forgot about it.
By not using these sensationalist headlines we would actually be fighting terrorism. Terrorism uses these headlines and reports to build tension between people. This event and headlines will now lead to a bunch of Edmontonians being paranoid of every brown guy they see... There will be hateful words exchanged, nasty notes left in their communities, potentially physical altercations etc all because of this news coverage making a big deal out of a vehicle chase and an attacked officer. Tensions will rise, rifts between society will increase and those individuals who already hate society because they have trouble making friends or finding work etc because of their skin colour or heritage will eventually break and commit similar events like this.
If you want to fight terrorism and events like this then go out and be friendly with our local populations of middle east heritage. Make them feel welcome and make them feel as if Canada is a nice place for them to live. That is how you fight terrorism, not with headlines that induce fear and hate...
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Yes, hugs and kisses will win the war.
How about we start by finding out who these people associate with and charge them all with aiding terrorism.
The west will not win as long as we try to use peaceful tactics.
If you want peace, prepare for war.
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Originally Posted by RavYak
And you don't get it, read my last reply to know why.
These reports/headlines and fear mongering is what fuels this type of terrorism.
Hence why I believe it shouldn't be reported as terrorism. It should be reported as the crimes that are committed, we need to take the aspect of race and discrimination out of this reporting.
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You dont get it. Motivation IS the driving factor behind the dwgree to which one is dangerous.
Who is more dangerous and likely to reoffend:
The man who stabbed another defending his family.
The man who stabbed another over a petty drug debt.
The man who stabbed another because he believes he is doing gods work killing people who dont hold his ideals.
The idea not to warn people that radicals are among you and you need to be alert is stupid.
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These reports/headlines and fear mongering is what fuels this type of terrorism.
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False.
Violent ideologies are what fuels this type of terrorism.
Why can’t you call it like it is?
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10-01-2017, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by bobtodrick
You don't get it...ISIS has stated that they see their main route of attack as using social media to convince individuals to commit lone wolf attacks.
It is terrorism, plain and simple...and the root of most of these lone wolf attacks can be traced back to ISIS social media.
The way they use social media is very professional.
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This^^^^^^
And if you don't think this was an act of terrorism, then you're condoning the actions of terrorists! It seems pretty cut and dried to me. These kooks do this for the fame and in Canada the possibility of a government ransom being paid to them. I bet Khdars lawyer is already defending this POS.
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10-01-2017, 10:43 AM
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Then live in fear....most choose not and will make a stand against these sick individuals...
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I doubt it's very difficult to align yourself with organized terror groups even in good old E town. Do a little research on the Kadhr family, some of them personally knew Bin Laden for Christ sake.
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Originally Posted by knacker
If this guy has drank the ISIS kool-aid then this is terrorism. If it is a lone wolf who committed the act, then it is also terrorism. Since he has an ISIS flag than it is either the former or the latter. If no flag, then it is either the former or the latter.
Very simple really.
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Yup.
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And you don't get it, read my last reply to know why.
These reports/headlines and fear mongering is what fuels this type of terrorism.
Hence why I believe it shouldn't be reported as terrorism. It should be reported as the crimes that are committed, we need to take the aspect of race and discrimination out of this reporting.
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Read the Quran...anyone who follows what it actually says is not going to be swayed by your 'love, peace and brotherhood' B.S.
The majority of Muslims are what we would call 'liberalized Islamists' and do want to live in peace...but to ignore those that aren't is simply...idiotic...and putting your head in the sand.
Just as with any other criminal element, you weed them out from society.
Or are you one of those ones who falls for the argument after someone murders someone...'he was just a nice guy at heart trying to turn his life around'?
As well I guess we really shouldn't be publicizing in a negative way anything the new Neo-Nazi's are doing...because they aren't anything other than regular criminals.
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They have already won.
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People like you should not watch the news.
Edmonton now has 1 million people on active surveillance duty 24-7.
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10-01-2017, 11:05 AM
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Then live in fear....most choose not and will make a stand against these sick individuals...
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x10 My grand children need a future to look forward to,so these sick wacko's will be weeded out and destroyed by all who believe in our freedom and in respect for those that died for our freedom so we have a decent life and other's that are just starting life.Hope that the injured all recover well and I will be damned if I ever live in fear from anything that want's to harm our innocent people of this country .
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