Gun Registry Super Thread (please thank your Liberal/NDP friends)

[AxeMan]

I spoke with Conservative Dane Lloyds office assistant today and he gave me some insight into a very disturbing legal aspect that Bill C-21 sets that could go well beyond the confiscation of guns. It can actually circumvent the Canadian Bill of Rights with regard to our right to possess property.

This is discussed by MP's Dane Lloyd and Glen Motz with lawyers in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic2IF7q6K3U
Justin Trudeau violating Bill of Rights to seize Canadian property (Bill C-21 amendment)

Watch the video, but in summary, this is what I took from it:

- A legally passed Bill can circumvent the right of a Canadian citizen to possess property if that property is deemed illegal.

- Compensation for that property that becomes illegal is subject to process deemed by the government and is basically optional for the government by law. So that could answer the questions about the so called buyback.

- And perhaps worst of all, it sets legal precedent for the Trudeau regime to seize any of our property by simple passing a Bill that deems the property illegal and supersedes the Canadian Bill of Rights.

Scary stuff! Starting to sound like a fully communist dictatorship state, doesn't it. We already had him seizing bank accounts with the Emergencies Act. I kid you not, keep your guns, we may need them....

[WildBillG]

This article confirms what I have been trying to tell Canadian fire arm owners. Can any one else see where this leading us. I don't believe letters are are going to stop this agenda but good luck.

[32-40win]

Another paragraph in C21 could maybe threaten gunsmiths or machine shops with CNC's, in order to stop the 3D ghost guns, and possibly make a criminal out of someone stopping to read an article with the wrong content in it, especially if they download to read later, and some articles do require that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSYmU74Ylps

[32-40win]

SECU meeting # 52 on C21

https://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/Harmony/en...21206/-1/38262

[AxeMan]

Thank you for the links, 32-40win

Those committee meetings are as clear as mud. Probably by design.
I find the RCMP expert Murray Smith the most vague.
He always comments that gun classification is "interpreted" regarding variants from the language in the restriction. We all know that this is a legal document though, and in a court of law, a judge will take the written prohibited model on the list as gospel. His "interpretation" explanation is crap.

C-21 is a mess, as stated by the Bloc rep. Amendment G-4 makes it worse. It needs to be trashed.

[32-40win]

I'm not so sure we weren't watching some very calculated theatre yesterday, Michaud and her questions may have been planned to stage the scene for the question about having outside expert witnesses come in to explain impacts of the new OIC that is built into the bill. It is now a dead issue, won't happen, the look of smugness and happiness on her face when the moderator came back with a no answer made me wonder. Looked like "that was easy..."

CCFR didn't help the cause yesterday with the Poly discount.

Noor did what Noor has done all along, he is the Liberal Polievre in the SECU meeting. Pammy looked like maybe she was a little torqued with him over something.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by AxeMan

Thank you for the links, 32-40win

Those committee meetings are as clear as mud. Probably by design.
I find the RCMP expert Murray Smith the most vague.
He always comments that gun classification is "interpreted" regarding variants from the language in the restriction. We all know that this is a legal document though, and in a court of law, a judge will take the written prohibited model on the list as gospel. His "interpretation" explanation is crap.

C-21 is a mess, as stated by the Bloc rep. Amendment G-4 makes it worse. It needs to be trashed.

His lies about the Mossberg Plinkster being an AR variant were nothing short of contempt of parliament, but considering that nobody was held accountable when the RCMP did not destroy the long gun registry records that the government of Canada ordered them to destroy, he will just carry on lying with no accountability.

[nekred]

Look at the socialist model,

1) Control the media, (firearms are not necessary)
2) Control the education (children, firearms are not necessry)
3) Take the tools for defending oneself (We'll take them because you don't need them)
4) Take the land (the real agenda) How? They will do it under the greenhouse agenda, first by controlling land use (i.e not being able to access fertilizer)

the difference in this is hunters, under all other socialist takeovers there were not the hunters to worry about. Because the hunters were all members of the nobility or other elite. Other than those few subsistence based indigenous people out in the hinterland.

Under the socialist agenda only law enforcement, military and criminals will own guns. There will still be sport shooting they will just have to be law enforcement or military to participate and they will be able to use any weapon available to law enforcement or military.

Every gun range and property owner needs to exercise their rights and make people choose. If you are law enforcement or military you don't get to use my property rights.... (i.e access private land for hunting, club ranges for shooting etc.)

But wait that's not fair we like our military and law enforcement as we are responsible citizens.

Hear me out, its not that we dislike law enforcement or military but maybe they would start sending a message to their order givers.

If a land owner chooses to not give up their guns what would they do if told to seize your firearms, place you in custody and seize your property and land... would they hesitate... some of the principled ones would but many of those would just say "I am sorry just doing my job!" (And then go hunting on it.... as part of the socialist elite)

The difference between a citizen and a subject is citizens have the ability to overthrow the government.

[nekred]

So furthering the socialist agenda the biggest thing to create a climate for socialist agenda is to create diversions.

One other requirement id for the masses to be hungry and get fed by the government, How do you make the (m)asses accept socialism...

Print money and throw it away, 27 billion of Covid $$$ that is was ineligible collected by companies is not being investigated or tracked down and was fraudulently obtained is being written off. This is $1000 per man women and most of our children in Canada... So take you tax bill and $1000 of it was wasted... but they don't waive it from us... they add $1500 on in

Create inflationary pressure then increase interest rates and energy pricing so people cannot survive on their basic income. Our country is incurring debt at an unbelievable rate...ON PURPOSE so that we can become a left wing socialist state unarmed and neutured and ripe for Chinese takeover...

If you think the Americans will help us HAH! their biggest trading partner is China... what how fast Keystone and The Northen gateway pipelines get built then...

Use Ukraine for an example, how much have the Americans helped there? other than selling old surplus junk that would have cost them money to dispose of.

[Landshark]

Originally Posted by nekred

So furthering the socialist agenda the biggest thing to create a climate for socialist agenda is to create diversions.

One other requirement id for the masses to be hungry and get fed by the government, How do you make the (m)asses accept socialism...

Print money and throw it away, 27 billion of Covid $$$ that is was ineligible collected by companies is not being investigated or tracked down and was fraudulently obtained is being written off. This is $1000 per man women and most of our children in Canada... So take you tax bill and $1000 of it was wasted... but they don't waive it from us... they add $1500 on in

Create inflationary pressure then increase interest rates and energy pricing so people cannot survive on their basic income. Our country is incurring debt at an unbelievable rate...ON PURPOSE so that we can become a left wing socialist state unarmed and neutured and ripe for Chinese takeover...

If you think the Americans will help us HAH! their biggest trading partner is China... what how fast Keystone and The Northen gateway pipelines get built then...

Use Ukraine for an example, how much have the Americans helped there? other than selling old surplus junk that would have cost them money to dispose of.

And he (JT) handed out another pile of cash at the COP meeting. Bad Bad Bad.

[32-40win]

I would not believe it if I hadn't seen it happen, the NDP say they won't back the amendments on C21.
What the Libs will or won't do now remains to be seen. Time to dig back into the bag of dirty tricks.
Now, that doesn't mean they won't back the bill without the amendment attached, or if some of the proposed OIC is removed from it.

https://twitter.com/taylorbachrach/s...L41ADjUIq0K_CQ

This one is on the SECU committee, and was sitting next to Michaud on Tues.
https://twitter.com/AMacGregor4CML/s...L41ADjUIq0K_CQ

And last but not least, Jag; https://twitter.com/TWilsonOttawa/st...L41ADjUIq0K_CQ

And Raquel Dancho was kicked out of the HOC today for calling someone a liar, I assume in question period, don't know who she was addressing, yet. Definitely a badge of honour on her part.

Her statementto the press after leaving the HOC https://twitter.com/CPAC_TV/status/1...L41ADjUIq0K_CQ

[32-40win]

The incident in the HOC today with Raquel, she stood her ground, she has a statement of her own on FB as well, hopefully she posts it to You Tube;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTy2DgAMV9Y

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/...12116689681651

[32-40win]

SECU meeting #53 from today, Liberals are trying to cut Cons out of the conversation. This is where the issue in the HOC started from today, with an answer to a question to Dane Lloyd.

https://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/Harmony/en...21206/-1/38285

[AxeMan]

Hmmm, it is starting to smell like a spring election more and more. If Jagmeet falls out of love with Trudeau on C-21, that will trigger it.

But, the NDP is full of crap so often that who knows where they stand really. Could be just the NDP trying to feel relevant.

[32-40win]

If you listened to session 53, you will maybe hear sport shooters mentioned once by anyone. 3gun, PRS, F-class, service rifle, etc. Like there are no other uses for these guns. Smith did at least differentiate between military bullets and the rest, and said a bit on bullet construction.
The Libs are playing on hunting guns here, even characterizing "tactical" guns as being of no use to citizens, and Smith did not correct him. No doubt as he was told not to, ie; no mention of things like a "tactical" gun barrel being common to varmint guns and etc.
Sometimes you have to hear what they are not saying to see the direction things are being steered. And as Dancho said today, they couldn't get a word in edgewise, and the Lib talking points and policy pursuits dominated. I can hardly wait to hear Pam Damoff in the next one.

[AxeMan]

You almost need a barf bag listening to these SECU committee meetings.

Quite the show of theater put on by Taleeb Noormohamed (Lib MP) setting up Murray Smith (RCMP expert-know it all).

Typical liberal setup. Take the most uninformed possible backbencher and set the expert up to make him look 100% credible. Not!

Even the Chair Liberal Ron Mckinnon gets into the game of worshipping Murray Smith @ 1:58:37 of SECU 53. He is "in awe of Mr. Smith's encyclopedic knowledge of firearms". Barf..... I disagree, I believe he has adequate knowledge of firearms mixed with a lot of personal opinion.

Pretty amazing that the committee has been mostly limited to one partisan man's OPINION on the meat and potatoes details in this potential legislation.
Murray Smith could be challenged on almost every sentence he opinionates. The type of guy you have to double analyze every word. I guarantee you that there are members on this very forum that know a ton more on firearms than this RCMP administrator.

[AxeMan]

Here is the "expert":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRQa2-Z-0E0

No doubt grounds for contempt of parliament for outright lying.

[no-regard]

Originally Posted by AxeMan

You almost need a barf bag listening to these SECU committee meetings.

Quite the show of theater put on by Taleeb Noormohamed (Lib MP) setting up Murray Smith (RCMP expert-know it all).

Typical liberal setup. Take the most uninformed possible backbencher and set the expert up to make him look 100% credible. Not!

Even the Chair Liberal Ron Mckinnon gets into the game of worshipping Murray Smith @ 1:58:37 of SECU 53. He is "in awe of Mr. Smith's encyclopedic knowledge of firearms". Barf..... I disagree, I believe he has adequate knowledge of firearms mixed with a lot of personal opinion.

Pretty amazing that the committee has been mostly limited to one partisan man's OPINION on the meat and potatoes details in this potential legislation.
Murray Smith could be challenged on almost every sentence he opinionates. The type of guy you have to double analyze every word. I guarantee you that there are members on this very forum that know a ton more on firearms than this RCMP administrator.

Yes, yes, yes and yes. I couldn't agree more. Watching it was so one sided, as usual. There were so many opportunities where the practical use (sport shooting, varminting etc) could AND SHOULD have been mentioned.

[32-40win]

Slam Fire radio broadcast/podcast, Runkle gets in here about the 53;00 mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcwm2lnVa-c

Baillistically Speaking podcast/broadcast. Nobody special appearing, but just a couple of good guys from Sask that are into long range shooting and PRS and what not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSwSdrnXR2c

[32-40win]

Silvercore podcast, with reps from Calibre Mag and The Gun Blog.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0h4VNsvTUg

[32-40win]

Alister MacGregor in the SECU meeting today, really nice to see the Libs gatting called out on the abuse of process, he does a fine job of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNJ6NcXfvhk

[AxeMan]

Meh, Alistair MacGregor. I listened to it.

I suppose the rebuttal of process on record was important, but at the same time, I think was a bit of lip service. I wish he didn't get so wound up on the indigenous consultation. It was like the non-indigenous push back didn't even count. A bit of NDP butt kissing for votes imho.

It appears that nothing will stop C21 with g-4 at this point. It is of utmost importance to track how these "NDP defenders of process and truth" vote in the end. The statistics on firearm related crime completely contradicts what Bill 21 will achieve.

[Pathfinder76]

So why are we banning guns?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Clp12...d=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[AxeMan]

Okay SECU meeting 54 in all it's ugly bureaucratic glory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAz2tqMphYE

Perhaps the beginning of C21 crumbing for the Liberals. They lost a couple of important votes in this meeting.

See if I can summarize this disjointed cluster frack of politics.
With the late introduction of that awful trick of an amendment G-45, the Liberals lost the Bloc and the NDP to some degree. Liberal Taleeb Noormohamed tried too filibuster his way to a conclusion and passing of C21. NDP Alistair MacGregor, Bloc Kristina Michaud, and Conservative Rachel Dancho managed to get a sub-amendment passed with a winning YES vote to have 8 consecutive meetings scheduled to study the validity of the amendment G-45 with consultation and witnesses from across Canada. All the liberals voted NO, but they lost the vote. Noormohamed almost had a meltdown and cried that C21 must be passed asap..

That wasn't all though. The winning sub-amendment for 8 consecutive meetings to study G-45 was to involve travel of the committee across Canada with consultation and witnesses that would push C21 way into the April-May timeframe. The Liberal heads were exploding now. They tried to quickly adjourn further discussion on these now passed meetings that would cause major delay/pushback and exposure of their G-45 amendment including additional firearms. A vote to adjourn was also lost by the Liberals and now the adventure of planning these 8 meetings across Canada is simply suspended until Thursday.

[32-40win]

Here is SECU meeting 54, make of it what you will, pretty obvious the Libs do not want consultations to occur, especially ones that have to be travelled to, as that would delay the process at least 3-4 mos, which jeopardizes the whole C21 bill with not being done by end of Parliament, and dying on the vine. So, next meeting will be about consultations---again. Libs tried to block that, opposition shut that first effort down, but, it won't be the last effort at that. And as Dancho said in a press conf today, pretty clear the Libs will not deal in good faith on this bill. Not like we didn't already know that, not entirely sure the Cons are entirely in good faith either, although there was talk of kiboshing all of C21 on their part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAz2tqMphYE&t=1s

Today's press conference;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrrwtcGS8gg

[AxeMan]

Alberta taking over firearms prosecutions in pushback against federal gun ban.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=085R_becPPY

[Smokinyotes]

This just maybe the best news I’ve heard since May 1 2020. For those that are just going to skip over this you need to watch the vid.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Smokinyotes

This just maybe the best news I’ve heard since May 1 2020. For those that are just going to skip over this you need to watch the vid.

So can someone now go to the range with their AR 15?

[Smokinyotes]

I would say so.

[Pathfinder76]

Wait. Is this the same guy who was waiving Pom poms for the lockdown team? Holy crap.