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Are burbot fished out at pine coulee?
I heard the population of burbot may be crashed due to over fishing. Anyone been down their fishing lately?
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weather the burbot are there or not is debatable....
weather it's due to overfishing is debatable....
but it definitely sounds like people aren't catching much
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weather the burbot are there or not is debatable....
weather it's due to overfishing is debatable....
but it definitely sounds like people aren't catching much
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It is 100% from over harvesting them for years. Small lake and a over abundance of fishermen that take all they catch. Pretty simple to figure out.
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03-08-2014, 11:47 AM
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Individual burbot lay millions of eggs, I can't imagine them being completely fished out.
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Individual burbot lay millions of eggs, I can't imagine them being completely fished out.
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The harvest is occurring during spawning season. Baby burbot need to survive insect predators, other burbot, pike, walleye and bird predators.
How long can any fishery survive if they can't spawn?
Burbot were deemed garbage fish. Lack of protection has its consequences.
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03-08-2014, 01:28 PM
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I heard the population of burbot may be crashed due to over fishing. Anyone been down their fishing lately?
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No surprise. A number of AO members predicted this. Didn't take long either.
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The harvest is occurring during spawning season. Baby burbot need to survive insect predators, other burbot, pike, walleye and bird predators.
How long can any fishery survive if they can't spawn?
Burbot were deemed garbage fish. Lack of protection has its consequences.
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THIS! Its ridiculous. If I were to catch say 15 throw in the back of my truck I would be fined for over limit, However if I kept those same 15 but just left em on the ice behind and didnt take any home, nothing bad would happen 
I wonder if and when they will change that???
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You can't kill sport fish in alberta for the fun of it, the "garbage fish" is just ignorant people throwing them out because the look ugly and are slimy
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You can't kill sport fish in alberta for the fun of it, the "garbage fish" is just ignorant people throwing them out because the look ugly and are slimy
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actually when it comes to burbot unfortunately you can.
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lets break it down.
you got walleyes in there that people cant keep. so people tend to limit out on pike and burbot.
once big pikes are gone, there is no predators for walleye
walleye eat burbot spawns, little burbots and so on.
now we got a lake that is full of malnourished, stunted, walleyes that got no more food. with maybe a handful of large pikes.
they need to either let people keep some of the walleyes or introduce another predator there to even the odds.
I have seen people pull 50 walleyes in 2 hours outa that lake.
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lets break it down.
you got walleyes in there that people cant keep. so people tend to limit out on pike and burbot.
once big pikes are gone, there is no predators for walleye
walleye eat burbot spawns, little burbots and so on.
now we got a lake that is full of malnourished, stunted, walleyes that got no more food. with maybe a handful of large pikes.
they need to either let people keep some of the walleyes or introduce another predator there to even the odds.
I have seen people pull 50 walleyes in 2 hours outa that lake.
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agreed 100 %. I think the same thing happened at mcgregor as well. Catch stunted walleyes all day long if you have a boat !!
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Fished down? For sure.
Fished out? No, prob not ever as there is a population in willow creek.
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Fished down? For sure.
Fished out? No, prob not ever as there is a population in willow creek.
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no lake will ever be fished out. But the numbers would more likely be in the hundreds now instead of thousands. Heck there might only be a hundred left there.
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lets break it down.
you got walleyes in there that people cant keep. so people tend to limit out on pike and burbot.
once big pikes are gone, there is no predators for walleye
walleye eat burbot spawns, little burbots and so on.
now we got a lake that is full of malnourished, stunted, walleyes that got no more food. with maybe a handful of large pikes.
they need to either let people keep some of the walleyes or introduce another predator there to even the odds.
I have seen people pull 50 walleyes in 2 hours outa that lake.
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How does opening a harvest solve anything? if they are so easy to catch then again everyone will keep there limit, even if its only 1 fish and most people keep it every time they are there, the lake would be fished out in 2 seasons. There are only so many fish in a lake and they take years to get to a harvestable size. Unfotunately if you open up a harvest there they would be gone before a balance is even found.
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A little preventive management would have been useful.
I'm sure we can expect the regulations for burbot to be further enhanced.
There are just too many fishermen and too few fish in this province to allow for harvesting any significant number of fish.
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How does opening a harvest solve anything? if they are so easy to catch then again everyone will keep there limit, even if its only 1 fish and most people keep it every time they are there, the lake would be fished out in 2 seasons. There are only so many fish in a lake and they take years to get to a harvestable size. Unfotunately if you open up a harvest there they would be gone before a balance is even found.
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Exactly!
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A little preventive management would have been useful.
I'm sure we can expect the regulations for burbot to be further enhanced.
There are just too many fishermen and too few fish in this province to allow for harvesting any significant number of fish.
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Agree.
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How does opening a harvest solve anything? if they are so easy to catch then again everyone will keep there limit, even if its only 1 fish and most people keep it every time they are there, the lake would be fished out in 2 seasons. There are only so many fish in a lake and they take years to get to a harvestable size. Unfotunately if you open up a harvest there they would be gone before a balance is even found.
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They are easy to catch because they are starving !those walleyes have been in there for longer than 10 years and are not growing into spawners to make it self sustainable so the biologists plans don't work !!! Try something else. If you clean them out then maybe some will grow to be spawners and lay a few million eggs. Why not a slot size like over 43 under 48 ? Try something though !!!!
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Slot size, Bingo!! Seems thats something that our bio's cant wrap there heads around but yet every other province's seem to be able to.
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No harvest is needed.
With the intense fishing pressure there is already significant mortality of walleye.
Lots and lots of those little guys die every year.
Additionally, there is tons and tons of food in PCR.
The last thing PCR needs is additional harvest and fishing pressure.
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No harvest is needed.
With the intense fishing pressure there is already significant mortality of walleye.
Lots and lots of those little guys die every year.
Additionally, there is tons and tons of food in PCR.
The last thing PCR needs is additional harvest and fishing pressure.
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How do you know there is tons of food in there ? Why don't the fish grow then ? 
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why is it the fish are gone in every lake when they arent being caught. ever think they might be somewhere else in the lake, or not feeding, or maybe even just getting smarter? PCR most people fish 2 or 3 areas all year and expect the same sort of fishing. they have fins for a reason Ive caught 200 walleye there in a day, and 1 in a day. doesnt mean they were all fished out, means I didnt catch them
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why is it the fish are gone in every lake when they arent being caught. ever think they might be somewhere else in the lake, or not feeding, or maybe even just getting smarter? PCR most people fish 2 or 3 areas all year and expect the same sort of fishing. they have fins for a reason Ive caught 200 walleye there in a day, and 1 in a day. doesnt mean they were all fished out, means I didnt catch them |
There are lots of walleye. Issue is burbot. Are they getting over fished during their spawning season.
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There are lots of walleye. Issue is burbot. Are they getting over fished during their spawning season.
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They are getting over-fished late season (fall) and early ice when they are especially vulnerable. They leave the depths and head to the shallows once temps drop and then get pounded.
Not sure harvest during spawning is a greater source of mortality, but it is certainly a contributing factor.
Fact is, in this province, with a limit of 10 and an option to waste (really?!?!?), any fish that shows a particular vulnerability like this is going to disappear fast. The smaller the lake, the faster and greater the decline.
In the case of PCR, it took 2-3 seasons for drastic (shocking really) reductions in catch/hour.
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Also^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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No harvest is needed.
With the intense fishing pressure there is already significant mortality of walleye.
Lots and lots of those little guys die every year.
Additionally, there is tons and tons of food in PCR.
The last thing PCR needs is additional harvest and fishing pressure.
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Have to agree yet again.
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Sure would be nice if the province would consider some perch and white fish in PCR
I agree with Wayne, the fish have not disappeared I too have had great walleye days and some not too hot.
Same with burbot, have had a few great days this winter and also a few real smelly ones.
I do not fish where the crowds typically set up so I agree that the fish are using there fins to move around.
Like any lake you cannot rely on your go to spot to stay hot. Aint' gonna happen.
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Sure would be nice if the province would consider some perch and white fish in PCR
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I will donate 1 million live perch to the effort. No charge. You catch em and they are yours!
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Is there an overflow from PCR into Willow downstream?
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I have heard that the algal/phytoplankton communities that exist there will not support much of a minnow population. Apparently scuds and boatmen are not enough of a food source for the walleye to grow
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Literally tons of caddis in there too.
Interesting point you raise GS.
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