fishing regulations question

[slee]

Hi,
Just read the fishing regulations and I am still confused, just wondering if anybody could help me out.
Here is the question:
If one is allow for possessions of 10 lake white, can one catch his limit of 5 in one lake and then another 5 in another lake on the same day? or do they need to be in separate trip? Is it legal?
How does one prove that they were fished at different lakes?

Thanks.

[Bigdad013]

yes

[ÜberFly]

Doesn't matter... Posession limit is just that, what you are allowed to "posess" (as in total). Unless there is/was a lake specific regulation stating that only 5 (as an example) could be kept from a specific lake... In that case unless you had pictures, it would be based on the honor system as far as which lake they came from...

P

[billie]

This is answered here.....

3.When you are fishing at any lake or stream you may not have in your possession more fish than the limit, or fish other than those of legal size, listed for the lake or stream being fished.

No?

[ÜberFly]

Nope!

It's this one:

Province-wide maximum possession – All fish kept from any lake or stream, from any Watershed Unit, count as part of the province-wide maximum possession that must not be exceeded. The maximum number of fish you may have, including fish at your home and fish caught under a special harvest licence, for each game fish species or group of species is listed below:

•Trout and Arctic Grayling – 5 in total, combined of:
0 bull trout (native to Alberta);
2 Northern Dolly Varden (stocked in Chester Lake only);
1 golden trout;
2 Arctic grayling;
3 lake trout;
5 cutthroat trout;
5 rainbow trout;
5 brown trout;
5 brook trout.

•Mountain Whitefish – 5 in total.
•Walleye and Sauger – 3 in combined total.
•Northern Pike – 3 in total.
•Yellow Perch – 15 in total.
•Lake Whitefish and Cisco (Tullibee) – 10 in combined total.
•Goldeye and Mooneye – 10 in combined total.
•Burbot (Ling) – 10 in total.
•Lake Sturgeon – 0
•Non-game fish – no restriction on the numbers kept.

[BBJTKLE&FISHINGADVENTURES]

There is maximum possession limits which are You also use those limits if a lake isn't listed . Good luck proving you caught those fish in another body of water , sure mos fish and wildlife officers / conservation officers were to check you or in a game check and your leaving a lake with a 5 limit and have 10 fish UH OH TROUBLE . I know this has been brought up in past and in theory you are legally able to do it but getting checked might result in a fine and a court date . My advise Send and Email to you local fish and wild life office and get it from them .

•Trout and Arctic Grayling – 5 in total, combined of:
0 bull trout (native to Alberta);
2 Northern Dolly Varden (stocked in Chester Lake only);
1 golden trout;
2 Arctic grayling;
3 lake trout;
5 cutthroat trout;
5 rainbow trout;
5 brown trout;
5 brook trout.

•Mountain Whitefish – 5 in total.
•Walleye and Sauger – 3 in combined total.
•Northern Pike – 3 in total.
•Yellow Perch – 15 in total.
•Lake Whitefish and Cisco (Tullibee) – 10 in combined total.
•Goldeye and Mooneye – 10 in combined total.
•Burbot (Ling) – 10 in total.
•Lake Sturgeon – 0
•Non-game fish – no restriction on the numbers kept.

[slee]

Let me rephrase it again.

If the total possession is 10 per person and the catch limit of lake X and lake Y is 5.
Can one fish lake X and then lake Y on the same day with the limit of 5 on each lake? So, in total, they will have in possessions of 10 fishes at the end of day.

Would photos be sufficient enough to prove that they were fishing at different lake?

Thanks

[BBJTKLE&FISHINGADVENTURES]

Originally Posted by slee

Let me rephrase it again.

If the total possession is 10 per person and the catch limit of lake X and lake Y is 5.
Can one fish lake X and then lake Y on the same day with the limit of 5 on each lake? So, in total, they will have in possessions of 10 fishes at the end of day.

Would photos be sufficient enough to prove that they were fishing at different lake?

Thanks

Then you are over possession only allowed to have 10 in your possession . Thats when that provincial possession limit applies .

http://www.albertaregulations.ca/fis...eral-regs.html

Province-wide maximum possession – All fish kept from any lake or stream, from any Watershed Unit, count as part of the province-wide maximum possession that must not be exceeded. The maximum number of fish you may have, including fish at your home and fish caught under a special harvest licence, for each game fish species or group of species is listed below:

•Trout and Arctic Grayling – 5 in total, combined of:
0 bull trout (native to Alberta);
2 Northern Dolly Varden (stocked in Chester Lake only);
1 golden trout;
2 Arctic grayling;
3 lake trout;
5 cutthroat trout;
5 rainbow trout;
5 brown trout;
5 brook trout.

•Mountain Whitefish – 5 in total.
•Walleye and Sauger – 3 in combined total.
•Northern Pike – 3 in total.
•Yellow Perch – 15 in total.
•Lake Whitefish and Cisco (Tullibee) – 10 in combined total.
•Goldeye and Mooneye – 10 in combined total.
•Burbot (Ling) – 10 in total.
•Lake Sturgeon – 0
•Non-game fish – no restriction on the numbers kept.
NOTE: The limits and size restrictions that exist at specific lakes and streams are listed in the Watershed Unit sections of each Fish Management Zone.

[Lefty-Canuck]

You could switch lakes but would have to drop your 5 fish at home as they could no longer be in your immediate possesion if you wanted to split your possesion with 2 lakes that had a retention of 5 fish per lake.

Make sense?

LC

[BBJTKLE&FISHINGADVENTURES]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

You could switch lakes but would have to drop your 5 fish at home as they could no longer be in your immediate possesion if you wanted to split your possesion with 2 lakes that had a retention of 5 fish per lake.

Make sense?

LC

cant be in his possesion at all . IT doesnt matter if he has 5 in his fridge and 5 more in his cooler , thats all hes legally allowed to keep .

[Gust]

I think there is a disconnect between a daily limit and possession,,, am I right slee?,,,,, Let's say your daily is a limit of 5 and possession is 10,,, you cannot go fish 10 to reach your possession as your limit is 5,,,, though,, where are you planning on whiting?

[ÜberFly]

Yes but as John stated, good luck proving they were caught at different lakes unless the 5 were in your vehicle in a cooler and you were checked on the lake in a boat (but then who's to say you didn't go back and put them in your car and then go back out)...

Tough call... Probably best to contact F & W or a CO as previously suggested...

If you do that, please let us know what you are told!!

[BBJTKLE&FISHINGADVENTURES]

Originally Posted by ÜberFly

Yes but as John stated, good luck proving they were caught at different lakes unless the 5 were in your vehicle in a cooler and you were checked on the lake in a boat (but then who's to say you didn't go back and put them in your car and then go back out)...

Tough call... Probably best to contact F & W or a CO as previously suggested...

If you do that, please let us know what you are told!!

Better yet Ill make an Email to one of my fish and wildlife contacts and Ill post the question and answer so no one gets mixed up or confused .

[BBJTKLE&FISHINGADVENTURES]

Here is the official word from Fish and Wildlife .

Hello Fish and Wildlife Officer .

I have a question for you as a fishing / hunting group I belong to were trying to get clarification on the topic .

So the question is .

If a person was to go fish at Lake so and so , Limit is 5 white fish and then he calls it a day there as he then heads to another lake with the limit of 10 whitefish , With the current provincial possession limit he is only allowed to keep 10 or can keep 15 ?

I think he or she can only keep 10 is this so ?

I just want to get the right answer from the fine people who police and protect our waters .

See you this spring .

John .


ANSWER

Hello John,

You can only have 10 Lake Whitefish and Cisco combined in your possession (pg 18) . So yes, you can catch 5 in a lake that has a specific set limit of 5, then go to another lake and catch additional 5 fish, up to the Province Wide Maximum limit of 10. Just beware that you will be questioned by the local Officer if checked in the field. Remember 10 is the Province wide Maximum Possession limit, so tell your friends they must be aware of each specific lake limits. For example Wabamun is zero limit.

If you need further info please feel free to call me.
Fish and Wildlife Officer
Fish and Wildlife Enforcement Branch
Solicitor General and Public Security
Twin Atria Building
#111 4999-98 avenue
Edmonton, Alberta
T6B-2X3
Office: 780.415-1330

[billie]

This;

Originally Posted by billie

This is answered here.....

3.When you are fishing at any lake or stream you may not have in your possession more fish than the limit, or fish other than those of legal size, listed for the lake or stream being fished.

No?

+this;

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

You could switch lakes but would have to drop your 5 fish at home as they could no longer be in your immediate possesion if you wanted to split your possesion with 2 lakes that had a retention of 5 fish per lake.

Make sense?

LC

is the answer to the question. It was not asked to exceed the 10 provincial maximum limit.

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by slee

Let me rephrase it again.

If the total possession is 10 per person and the catch limit of lake X and lake Y is 5.
Can one fish lake X and then lake Y on the same day with the limit of 5 on each lake? So, in total, they will have in possessions of 10 fishes at the end of day.

Would photos be sufficient enough to prove that they were fishing at different lake?

Thanks

Originally Posted by BIGBADJOHN

Then you are over possession only allowed to have 10 in your possession . Thats when that provincial possession limit applies .

http://www.albertaregulations.ca/fis...eral-regs.html

Province-wide maximum possession – All fish kept from any lake or stream, from any Watershed Unit, count as part of the province-wide maximum possession that must not be exceeded. The maximum number of fish you may have, including fish at your home and fish caught under a special harvest licence, for each game fish species or group of species is listed below:

•Trout and Arctic Grayling – 5 in total, combined of:
0 bull trout (native to Alberta);
2 Northern Dolly Varden (stocked in Chester Lake only);
1 golden trout;
2 Arctic grayling;
3 lake trout;
5 cutthroat trout;
5 rainbow trout;
5 brown trout;
5 brook trout.

•Mountain Whitefish – 5 in total.
•Walleye and Sauger – 3 in combined total.
•Northern Pike – 3 in total.
•Yellow Perch – 15 in total.
•Lake Whitefish and Cisco (Tullibee) – 10 in combined total.
•Goldeye and Mooneye – 10 in combined total.
•Burbot (Ling) – 10 in total.
•Lake Sturgeon – 0
•Non-game fish – no restriction on the numbers kept.
NOTE: The limits and size restrictions that exist at specific lakes and streams are listed in the Watershed Unit sections of each Fish Management Zone.

How can he be over pos. limit if limit is 10 and all he has is 10???

[BBJTKLE&FISHINGADVENTURES]

Originally Posted by horsetrader

How can he be over pos. limit if limit is 10 and all he has is 10???

I think he knew that it was the 5 each from 2 diffrent lakes and that is the information I got for him .

[horsetrader]

Originally Posted by slee

Let me rephrase it again.

If the total possession is 10 per person and the catch limit of lake X and lake Y is 5.
Can one fish lake X and then lake Y on the same day with the limit of 5 on each lake? So, in total, they will have in possessions of 10 fishes at the end of day.

Would photos be sufficient enough to prove that they were fishing at different lake?

Thanks

Originally Posted by BIGBADJOHN

Then you are over possession only allowed to have 10 in your possession . Thats when that provincial possession limit applies .

http://www.albertaregulations.ca/fis...eral-regs.html

Province-wide maximum possession – All fish kept from any lake or stream, from any Watershed Unit, count as part of the province-wide maximum possession that must not be exceeded. The maximum number of fish you may have, including fish at your home and fish caught under a special harvest licence, for each game fish species or group of species is listed below:

•Trout and Arctic Grayling – 5 in total, combined of:
0 bull trout (native to Alberta);
2 Northern Dolly Varden (stocked in Chester Lake only);
1 golden trout;
2 Arctic grayling;
3 lake trout;
5 cutthroat trout;
5 rainbow trout;
5 brown trout;
5 brook trout.

•Mountain Whitefish – 5 in total.
•Walleye and Sauger – 3 in combined total.
•Northern Pike – 3 in total.
•Yellow Perch – 15 in total.
•Lake Whitefish and Cisco (Tullibee) – 10 in combined total.
•Goldeye and Mooneye – 10 in combined total.
•Burbot (Ling) – 10 in total.
•Lake Sturgeon – 0
•Non-game fish – no restriction on the numbers kept.
NOTE: The limits and size restrictions that exist at specific lakes and streams are listed in the Watershed Unit sections of each Fish Management Zone.

How can he be over pos. limit if limit is 10 and all he has is 10???

[slee]

yes. thank you.

I think the answer was clear that we are allowed to have 5 from each lake and have 10 fishes in possession but how do you prove that you caught them on different lake is another story.

[ishootbambi]

read it again john...you are missing some math. 5 from lake x plus 5 from lake y equals 10 total.

the real question is why 10 fish in a day? i thought they were better eating fresh? i dunno, just what i heard,...i dont eat fish.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Are you guys confusing limits for Mountain Whitefish (5) and Lake Whitefish? (10)

My point of my post was to show that if you don't want to get in trouble...

You fish lake X and catch and retain 5 fish.....assuming you have no Whitefish at all anywhere (freezer at home)....you would be in your best interests to go home and drop those 5 fish off BEFORE you go to lake Y to try for your additional allowable 5 fish....

At the end of the day, you can still catch 5 fish per lake and retain all 10....but I wouldn't want to get caught with your first 5 fish in your truck while you go over to the second lake to catch another 5.....you would have some explaining to do if the second lake you were at has a 5 daily limit....

the officer would likely believe that you caught all 10 at the single lake and therefore he would assume you are over your daily limit for that water body.

It would be like going to Battle Lake and catching 2 legal pike (63cm or bigger)....and then going to Pigeon to catch your additional 1 fish (100cm or bigger)....if you got caught at Pigeon with those first 2 pike....you would likely be in trouble. Not only would you be over your 1 fish limit but likely the 2 you caught at battle would not be 100cm....so you would get dinged for over limit AND undersized fish....

Make sense?

LC

Originally Posted by ÜberFly

Nope!

It's this one:

Province-wide maximum possession – All fish kept from any lake or stream, from any Watershed Unit, count as part of the province-wide maximum possession that must not be exceeded. The maximum number of fish you may have, including fish at your home and fish caught under a special harvest licence, for each game fish species or group of species is listed below:

•Trout and Arctic Grayling – 5 in total, combined of:
0 bull trout (native to Alberta);
2 Northern Dolly Varden (stocked in Chester Lake only);
1 golden trout;
2 Arctic grayling;
3 lake trout;
5 cutthroat trout;
5 rainbow trout;
5 brown trout;
5 brook trout.

•Mountain Whitefish – 5 in total.
•Walleye and Sauger – 3 in combined total.
•Northern Pike – 3 in total.
•Yellow Perch – 15 in total.
•Lake Whitefish and Cisco (Tullibee) – 10 in combined total.
•Goldeye and Mooneye – 10 in combined total.
•Burbot (Ling) – 10 in total.
•Lake Sturgeon – 0
•Non-game fish – no restriction on the numbers kept.

Originally Posted by slee

Hi,

If one is allow for possessions of 10 lake white

Works better if you read....

[tacklerunner]

Originally Posted by horsetrader

how can he be over pos. Limit if limit is 10 and all he has is 10???

x 2?

in all cases use common sense.

it says including those at home. so common sense is that your daily limit should not exceed the lakes catch limit. otherwise we all get to put 5 in the livewells and kill another five and stick them on ice in the cooler on the boat while on the lake and just say we caught the first five at another lake.

its a plausible situation. but one for which i expect a fine and probably a visit back to the house to check my freezer.

the law should state that the daily catch limit should not exceed the lake limit where you are at.

so 5 fully frozen ones in the camper and 5 in the boat would seem okay.

[billie]

Originally Posted by billie

3.When you are fishing at any lake or stream you may not have in your possession more fish than the limit, or fish other than those of legal size, listed for the lake or stream being fished.

And I don't think anyone even read the posting of rule 3

[tacklerunner]

Originally Posted by billie

And I don't think anyone even read the posting of rule 3

That's correct. When you are in the "act of fishing" you cannot have in your possession more than the limit for that lake. But if your truck is on shore you can have fish in it from another lake AND limit out on the lake as long as it's not over the total possession limit. If you are on hardwater and your truck is on the ice beside you, you cannot do as above. Therein lies the grey area. What's to say in open water you didn't already put your limit from lake X in the cooler in your vehicle on shore and went back out for another daily limit claiming the ones in the truck are from lake Y?

Bottom line is follow the rules, be honest & who really needs 2 daily limits in the same day. Gives you an excuse to get out again. They make these rules so people don't stockpile for black market sale like the illegal trafficking thread.

id think five fish in the cooler on shore are still in my possession. or maybe they are in possession of my buddy back in calgary who left just minutes ago but didnt take them with him as i have to put mine in there when im done fishing. we only brought one cooler you see.

[JohninAB]

Best have some documentation from your buddy else you are in a heap of trouble.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by pelada trochu

id think five fish in the cooler on shore are still in my possession. or maybe they are in possession of my buddy back in calgary who left just minutes ago but didnt take them with him as i have to put mine in there when im done fishing. we only brought one cooler you see.

Then you better have a note from your buddy indicating that you will be transporting his fish..... including the date they were caught, his personal contact information and license number.

LC

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by Bigdad013

yes

first response, nailed it