Annealing Service

[Bergerboy]

Is there a brass annealing service in Canada? I found some places in the US that do 100 pieces for $20 to $25.

[raw outdoors]

i would be willing to do some for a guy. Shipping would be a killer hear in canada. Could probably buy new brass by the time you got it annealed and returned.

[crazy_davey]

Annealing brass isn't rocket science like some would make it out to be. It takes some time, research and practice but it is not something you need to pay someone to do.

[Bergerboy]

Originally Posted by crazy_davey

Annealing brass isn't rocket science like some would make it out to be. It takes some time, research and practice but it is not something you need to pay someone to do.

I think it would be simple to do, I am not interested in the time investment.

[fish_e_o]

for you it's free

[Bergerboy]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

for you it's free

I decree my first born to be named "Fish e o" after this great man!

[bobinthesky]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

I think it would be simple to do, I am not interested in the time investment.

It's a nice break from the internet.

[gitrdun]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

for you it's free

Very nice gesture fish.....good on you!

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by bobinthesky

It's a nice break from the internet.

ya but i bought a machine to do it... so i just went and ruined that didn't i?

all for the 500pcs i anneal every year lol

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

I think it would be simple to do, I am not interested in the time investment.

No more time than sizing a case really.
Cat

[gopher]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

ya but i bought a machine to do it... so i just went and ruined that didn't i?

all for the 500pcs i anneal every year lol

I was going to help you out with your offer if there was a pile to do sounds like you have it covered.

[elkhunter11]

I usually do batches of 100 cases, and it doesn't take that long.

[BigJon]

I may spend a half hour to an hour doing 100 cases...about every fourth reload and only on brass I care about.

It really is not a time investment.

[double gun]

I'm jealous gopher.

[fish_e_o]

how do you feel about having a torch sitting on top of shotgun shells

[BigJon]

Originally Posted by double gun

I'm jealous gopher.

lol... in the world of annealing, he is certainly driving a Cadillac.

[Bergerboy]

Originally Posted by gopher

I was going to help you out with your offer if there was a pile to do sounds like you have it covered.

Wow! What is something like that worth?

[fish_e_o]

about 500 us

[Ceilidh69]

Originally Posted by gopher

I was going to help you out with your offer if there was a pile to do sounds like you have it covered.

How did you get that shipped to Canada or did you pick it up in the States somewhere? I talked to them a couple of years ago and ITAR limits shipping to Canada.

Thanks

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Ceilidh69

How did you get that shipped to Canada or did you pick it up in the States somewhere? I talked to them a couple of years ago and ITAR limits shipping to Canada.

Thanks

ITAR does not limit the shipping of reloading tooling. Some companies simply refuse to ship anything associated with reloading out of the USA.

[Rman]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

ITAR does not limit the shipping of reloading tooling. Some companies simply refuse to ship anything associated with reloading out of the USA.

That particular piece is considered to be automated, and as such, is in fact restricted under ITAR. There is a bit of a difference between tooling, and equipment.

Just sayin'

R.

[gtr]

That was my understanding as well. But what would I know!

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Rman

That particular piece is considered to be automated, and as such, is in fact restricted under ITAR. There is a bit of a difference between tooling, and equipment.

Just sayin'

R.

So as I posted, tooling isn't restricted, but automated equipment is? So what differentiates tooling from automated equipment, and who does the classification? A fully progressive press is somewhat automated but they aren't restricted. if you add a hydraulic drive system to a progressive press, does it then fall under the automated equipment designation? It sounds as messed up as our firearm classification system. Oh well, time for me to do some more research.

[gtr]

Research has nothing to do with it. If you order an item from a US company, they decide what they will ship and what they won't. As a Canadian your forced to accept their policy, or I guess not deal with them. If you want it you have to play by their rules, or find another source. From what I understand there is some of these units for sale in your province.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by gtr

Research has nothing to do with it. If you order an item from a US company, they decide what they will ship and what they won't. As a Canadian your forced to accept their policy, or I guess not deal with them. If you want it you have to play by their rules, or find another source. From what I understand there is some of these units for sale in your province.

I have no plans to purchase one of these annealing devices, but I may decide to order something else in the future that may be considered to be automated equipment, so I would like to know the actual regulations. As well, just because one dealer won't export a product out of the USA, does not mean that it is actually an ITAR controlled product. Some dealers simply choose to avoid exporting any product that is associated with firearms or ammunition, or reloading, because of the fear that it "might" be a controlled product.

[Rman]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

So as I posted, tooling isn't restricted, but automated equipment is? So what differentiates tooling from automated equipment, and who does the classification? A fully progressive press is somewhat automated but they aren't restricted. if you add a hydraulic drive system to a progressive press, does it then fall under the automated equipment designation? It sounds as messed up as our firearm classification system. Oh well, time for me to do some more research.

tool·ing.
NOUN
1.assorted tools, especially ones required for a mechanized process.
2.the ornamentation of a leather book cover with designs impressed by heated tools.

e·quip·ment.
NOUN
1.the necessary items for a particular purpose:
"office equipment"
synonyms: apparatus · paraphernalia · articles · appliances ·

au·to·mate.
VERB
1.convert (a process or facility) to largely automatic operation:
"industry is investing in automating production" ·

Somewhat automated, is a lot different from automated. ITAR, as mentioned per above does the classification.
If you add a hydraulic drive, to a progressive press, and ask for it to shipped to Canada as a complete unit, the odds are that it won't come, as it is now automated (see above), or can be easily be made so by disabling the foot switch (perhaps the foot switch, being a manual input, is the loophole?).
If someone has done this, and received this set up, then for the sake of being more right, do you want to be responsible for that piece of equipment (see above) no longer being allowed in the country? It is messed up, and certainly doesn't need more attention than it already has.

Good luck with your research.

R.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

So as I posted, tooling isn't restricted, but automated equipment is?

all i could find is

(3) Equipment and tooling in paragraph (c) of this category does not include equipment for hand-loading ammunition.

saying it's not restricted

no mention of automated or otherwise. also uses the words equipment and tooling meaning both.

http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx...21_11&rgn=div8

look at it here i don't have time to read it all

[260 Rem]

Does that rig turn the brass, or is the heat applied only to the torch side?

[gopher]

Originally Posted by 260 Rem

Does that rig turn the brass, or is the heat applied only to the torch side?

It spins the brass as the slide moves back. Looking for a picture but I can make brass look like factory annealing.

[260 Rem]

Sounds like a good system.