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qanda...
Refer to this council regarding invasive species in Alberta. You can join the council too. The people involved will know all about the various invasive species in the province.
https://abinvasives.ca/
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02-05-2023, 01:17 AM
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I never said I was affiliated with a university. But in the interest of transparency, I will say I am a university student working on creating a website about the importance of biodiversity in Alberta's ecosystems. This project is not part of a scientific or ecological study. I do not receive funding from anyone. The resources I use are contributed by myself or by the two other students working with me on this project. My particular interest is the role "balance" plays in an ecosystem, and through the filming, I am looking to understand how invasive species can upset that balance.
Sorry for any confusion.
Like I said, I am open to suggestions on this topic. I hope to find potential resources or people I should speak to who are affected when this balance is disturbed. They need to be accessible enough that I can collect audio and video. But mostly I wanted to hear what outdoorsmen think is important in this balance and what you all would like to see explored. I hope this clarifies things a bit.
Does anyone have any stories they could tell me about this? Or issues they would like to see investigated or discussed?
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There is no factual proof to the theory of equilibrium in Nature, with or without the existence of humans.
Nature doesn't care if one species is more successful than another.
Nature just Is, whether stationary or moving.
I'll suggest that you are unnecessarily complicating this endeavor.
Keep Disney (balance of Nature) out of it and focus on a manageable segment, the impact and effect of Invasive species in Alberta.
This alone could take a lifetime to investigate.
I'm curious, where did you learn that Nature desires to be in balance,
that this equilibrium is good and flux is bad?
Best wishes for your project.
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02-05-2023, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by walking buffalo
There is no factual proof to the theory of equilibrium in Nature, with or without the existence of humans.
Nature doesn't care if one species is more successful than another.
Nature just Is, whether stationary or moving.
I'll suggest that you are unnecessarily complicating this endeavor.
Keep Disney (balance of Nature) out of it and focus on a manageable segment, the impact and effect of Invasive species in Alberta.
This alone could take a lifetime to investigate.
I'm curious, where did you learn that Nature desires to be in balance,
that this equilibrium is good and flux is bad?
Best wishes for your project.
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This right here
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02-05-2023, 08:52 AM
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Qanda, if you would have been more transparent in your first post, you would have gotten a much better reaction. We have many people who are against enjoyment of the outdoors through hunting and fishing, come and join this forum, so they can get “dirt” on us outdoorsmen to further their cause, which is to destroy ours. Transparency is always good.
BTW, your thesis is too broad. Balance in nature. Narrow it down, and it will be easier for you to get a good mark.
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02-05-2023, 09:19 AM
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How about the honeybee?
I believe there would be a few more honeybees than horses and hogs put together.
I think this might be one that most people wouldn't want to get rid of.
Try talking to local farmers to get their opinions on them and their uses. They are a huge benefit to crop production.
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02-05-2023, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Savage Bacon
How about the honeybee?
I believe there would be a few more honeybees than horses and hogs put together.
I think this might be one that most people wouldn't want to get rid of.
Try talking to local farmers to get their opinions on them and their uses. They are a huge benefit to crop production.
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Could add a long list of common invasives that the government stocks every year for fish as well
Rainbow, browns, tigers, and brook trout to start
The funny thing is we pick and choose what invasive species are good or bad lol
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02-05-2023, 09:31 AM
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Contact an outfitter and go to South Texas. You started being interested in hogs. Guys like Pete Ray out of Pearsall.Tx can give you a good kick start on your project. He was Fish & Wildlife for 30 years and has being an outfitter for quite a while. The word invasive hits hard there. Golf courses in San Antonio have had greens tore up and lots of crop damage. He could put you in a blind in the buck brush country and you could observe them and would get lots of good footage. If your project concerns Canada only disregard.
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02-05-2023, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Smoky buck
Could add a long list of common invasives that the government stocks every year for fish as well
Rainbow, browns, tigers, and brook trout to start
The funny thing is we pick and choose what invasive species are good or bad lol
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^Yup^
Even whitetail deer are technically invasive to Alberta……
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02-05-2023, 10:05 AM
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The only balance in nature is a constantly evolving imbalance of cycles. The myth of a balanced natural world is nonsense. It never has and never will be a balanced constant. Nature is unpredictable.
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02-05-2023, 10:09 AM
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^Yup^
Even whitetail deer are technically invasive to Alberta……
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I was told it was called natural migration.
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02-05-2023, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dick284
^Yup^
Even whitetail deer are technically invasive to Alberta……
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Whitetailed deer are native to Alberta.
Perhaps what you are misconstruing is the recent range expansion of this species due to human activities when compared to pre-1900..
And this perspective is only applicable when limited to a specific timeline.
Go back farther than written history and Whitetails at times ranged all over Alberta.
It is believed that Whitetailed deer evolved from Blacktailed deer.
Blacktailed deer did not inhabit the plains or east to the Atlantic.
So unless Aliens or Indians transplanted Whitetails to the east coast, these deer are Native to almost all of North America.
Whitetailed deer range expansion and contraction can be taken as yet another example of how Nature is always in constant flux, that "Balance" in Nature is a false human construct typically derived from a desire to feel good.
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02-05-2023, 05:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by qanda
I never said I was affiliated with a university. But in the interest of transparency, I will say I am a university student working on creating a website about the importance of biodiversity in Alberta's ecosystems. This project is not part of a scientific or ecological study. I do not receive funding from anyone. The resources I use are contributed by myself or by the two other students working with me on this project. My particular interest is the role "balance" plays in an ecosystem, and through the filming, I am looking to understand how invasive species can upset that balance.
Sorry for any confusion.
Like I said, I am open to suggestions on this topic. I hope to find potential resources or people I should speak to who are affected when this balance is disturbed. They need to be accessible enough that I can collect audio and video. But mostly I wanted to hear what outdoorsmen think is important in this balance and what you all would like to see explored. I hope this clarifies things a bit.
Does anyone have any stories they could tell me about this? Or issues they would like to see investigated or discussed?
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You definitely need to do a documentary of how Feral horses have affected the Elk and Deer populations in the mountains.
Could also talk about fire suppression and the role it’s played with regards to feed for animals.
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02-06-2023, 01:16 AM
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Don’t forget about the invasive flora; tall buttercup is unpalatable, toxic, and taking over the meadows in the foothills and mountains.
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02-06-2023, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by sns2
Qanda, if you would have been more transparent in your first post, you would have gotten a much better reaction. We have many people who are against enjoyment of the outdoors through hunting and fishing, come and join this forum, so they can get “dirt” on us outdoorsmen to further their cause, which is to destroy ours. Transparency is always good.
BTW, your thesis is too broad. Balance in nature. Narrow it down, and it will be easier for you to get a good mark.
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Exactly, followed this thread, was going to chime in but new someone would eventually that made sense.
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02-06-2023, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by walking buffalo
Whitetailed deer are native to Alberta.
Perhaps what you are misconstruing is the recent range expansion of this species due to human activities when compared to pre-1900..
And this perspective is only applicable when limited to a specific timeline.
Go back farther than written history and Whitetails at times ranged all over Alberta.
It is believed that Whitetailed deer evolved from Blacktailed deer.
Blacktailed deer did not inhabit the plains or east to the Atlantic.
So unless Aliens or Indians transplanted Whitetails to the east coast, these deer are Native to almost all of North America.
Whitetailed deer range expansion and contraction can be taken as yet another example of how Nature is always in constant flux, that "Balance" in Nature is a false human construct typically derived from a desire to feel good.
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Here is a good read:
https://www.motherearthnews.com/sust...-zmaz85ndzgoe/
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02-06-2023, 12:39 PM
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The wild hogs in Alberta are very hard to hunt , as they only come out at night Most hunts are done on farmed hogs on privet land . Many of them have escaped so now they are called wild hogs . If you want to go shoot a pig in a fenced yard ,there are many farmers that will take your money .
If you want to hunt the wild hogs just goggle , Guided wild hog hunts in Alberta
I am surprised you did not do that first .
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02-06-2023, 12:46 PM
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This.
You want to envoke every argument, delusion, romance, science, fact and fiction? This is your topic. It's real, it's an issue and it's all there for you.
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Yup. Feral horses would be the biggest topic hurting habitat in Alberta in my view.
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02-06-2023, 06:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sns2
Qanda, if you would have been more transparent in your first post, you would have gotten a much better reaction. We have many people who are against enjoyment of the outdoors through hunting and fishing, come and join this forum, so they can get “dirt” on us outdoorsmen to further their cause, which is to destroy ours. Transparency is always good.
BTW, your thesis is too broad. Balance in nature. Narrow it down, and it will be easier for you to get a good mark.
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Well put SNS2. Thanks!
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02-09-2023, 10:35 AM
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Someone linked abinvasives above, which is a great resource - also check out their handbook on invasive plants, it will be a good field reference while you're out getting footage:
https://abinvasives.ca/product/invas...e-single-copy/
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