270win or 270wsm

[Ricksterbucks]

I'm looking to buy a new gun and I got caught up in this dilemma.I stopped hunting for 12 to 15 years after my brother passed on in a logging accident, now my buddies got me back into it. I shoot my general tags in 523/544 (I live between the two)deer /elk am i better with the 270wsm or just a reg 270 thx for any advice..

270wsm

[spurly]

270wsm

[mudbug]

if you reload then 270wsm, if not 270 or I'd prefer 30-06, just my two bits

[Chukar Hunter]

I have both and there is no real adavnatge to the WSM unless you shoot the heavier (150 grain) bullets. WSM is intrisically more accurate because of the short throw, but it also depends on the rifle and the ability of the man behind it!

My 0.2 cents

[fordtruckin]

as mentioned if you reload cost wise the WSM makes sense because you can have ammo for roughly the same price as the regular 270. If you don't reload costwise the .270 is much cheaper than the WSM as well as more readily available. The differences between the rounds are Long action vs. Short Action, the WSM is more efficient at burning the powder than the .270. the wsm also is a few fps faster and has a few more ftlbs behind it. As a result it will shoot a bit flatter/further. Its apples and Oranges. Personally I don't think i'd buy one but then i've never shot one so I dunno. lol good luck

[lclund1946]

Originally Posted by Ricksterbucks

I'm looking to buy a new gun and I got caught up in this dilemma.I stopped hunting for 12 to 15 years after my brother passed on in a logging accident, now my buddies got me back into it. I shoot my general tags in 523/544 (I live between the two)deer /elk am i better with the 270wsm or just a reg 270 thx for any advice..

My 89 year old uncle decided to replace his old 270 Huskavarna, after about 50 years, and countless moose shot with 130 Win PP ammo. He didn't like the 150 Win PP as he couldn't get used to the difference in trajectory. The only reason he wanted a new rifle because his rifle had been drilled and tapped crooked so it was impossible to mount a scope properly. His eyes were getting a bit dim to use the peep sight with V-notch on top, for long shots, that he had built for the rifle.

I Bought him a Tikka SS T3 Camo, in 270WSM, as he preferred to have a rifle with a clip. I mounted a Burris Fullfield 4.5-14 X44 with AO and the Ballistic Plex reticle. The Nosler 140 grain Accubond at 3000fps matched the BP reticle out to 600 yards and the recoil was manageable in the light rifle. A nearly full case of H 110V, about 60 grains, got just over 3000fps and the pressure was low enough that the once fired necked down 300WSM brass didnt stretch on firing.

This combo dropped a cow elk in her tracks last Dec. I would recommend a 270 WSM over a 270 Win as you can run it safely at velocities that most try to achieve with the 270 Win or you can run it hot, like the factory ammo, if you so choose. The shorter, lighter rifle is a bonus as well. These are the same reasons that I prefer a 7mmSAUM over the 7mm-08 that had come to be my favorite caliber after years of using a 270 Winchester.

[Ricksterbucks]

Ya I bought a BLR light stainless 270 wsm with a bushnell 6500 elite 2.5 x16x42
VERY NICE to shoot thks for all the insight guys

[Cal]

Originally Posted by Ricksterbucks

Ya I bought a BLR light stainless 270 wsm with a bushnell 6500 elite 2.5 x16x42
VERY NICE to shoot thks for all the insight guys

COngrats on the purchase. And to everyone else, as far as caliber debates go this one was fairly informative and there were very few personal attacks, I think we're showing progress.

[hva1640]

i'd go 270, for the good reason ammo are just as good as wsm and that you can find them anywhere you go hunting, these wsm business is just a fashion to seel more rifles and if you are a hunter unless you hunt prairies where you could shoot 300 yards and more than i don't see the reason to go magnum no matter. The old 06 and 270 and 280 are doing all you need.
this is my point of vue
hva1640

[shartpants]

270 wsm if you know the hype is fact. flatter shooting than the 270

[NUK SOO KOW]

270win. Greatest cartridge of all time!

[Pines]

Originally Posted by NUK SOO KOW

270win. Greatest cartridge of all time!

GEEEEZ dont we ever advance ??? or is good enough the WAY ??

[bobly]

This is all marketing bs by the manufacturers to buy the new wildcat anomalies that come about each year. Like selling new car models. They are trying for new success stories like the 25.06, the 270win, and the 7mm rem mag were a few years back. The short magnums are such an attempt. Pure marketing hype with little real advantage.

Parker Ackley describes magnum calibers as "overbore" meaning that they burn too much powder for the velocities they achieve. Eg 270 win and 7mm rem mag in 150 gr. The magnum burns roughly 10% more powder to get 100 f/s velocity more than the 270 win using 150 gr bullets. Is that efficiency?

The 270win achieves good velocities with the 150 gr bullet, so why go to the 270wsm and burn more powder and get more recoil for meager benefits? The 7mm mag really shines with 175 gr bullets so why not go to that if you want real results with a heavier bullet?

Elmer Keith states that if you choose to hunt large big game at close range, go to slower, heavier bullets. Moose hit properly with a 444marlin with 300 gr bullets go down as if poleaxed. Same with the 45-70. They are not too bad to shoot with 300gr bullets so why not explore that route.

My vote goes to the traditional calibers. The 270win has been around since 1925 and that speaks volumes. It is superb with 130 gr bullets. If I want more poop, I will hunt with a 7mm rem mag and 175 gr bullets. It is great on elk, reaches out there. It is a proven success story.

How about recoil? I am a reasonable shot with the 270win. It is because I feel comfortable to shoot it. It does not boot me. I have tried the 270wsm and it is much less comfortable and achieves very little more. The 7mm mag to me is about my limit to handle with some confidence, but I know I am using it to gain some advantage and that is the heavier bullet.

[paleface]

The down side to short fat cases is they dump the powder hot and quick onto the troat where as the 06 cases cool the fire before they hit the throat with the long neck,thats why barrels with 06 size cases last so long.

[209x50]

Originally Posted by paleface

The down side to short fat cases is they dump the powder hot and quick onto the troat where as the 06 cases cool the fire before they hit the throat with the long neck,thats why barrels with 06 size cases last so long.

Hahahaha!!!

[LongDraw]

Is there a manufacturer that holds more than 2 WSM rounds in the mag?

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by LongDraw

Is there a manufacturer that holds more than 2 WSM rounds in the mag?

I think the Model 70 will squeeze in three.

[elkhunter11]

The down side to short fat cases is they dump the powder hot and quick onto the troat where as the 06 cases cool the fire before they hit the throat with the long neck,thats why barrels with 06 size cases last so long.

So according to your theory,he 30-06 would have longer barrel life than the 308win?

How about the 7mmRUM having longer barrel life than the 7mmWSM?

[paleface]

308 and 30-06 have the same diamitor case with less powder in the 308.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

So according to your theory,he 30-06 would have longer barrel life than the 308win?

How about the 7mmRUM having longer barrel life than the 7mmWSM?

In fairness the comment is no more rediculous than "I shoot a WSM cause it's modern".

[lannie]

Originally Posted by LongDraw

Is there a manufacturer that holds more than 2 WSM rounds in the mag?

Tikka and sako for sure, 270 and 300 wsm's

[Pathfinder76]

The better question is. Is there one that will hold five?

[leo]

Originally Posted by chuck

The better question is. Is there one that will hold five?

One should be enough if you have rifles as accurate as you claim.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by LongDraw

Is there a manufacturer that holds more than 2 WSM rounds in the mag?

Browning, Tika, not sure on the others

[209x50]

MY Sako A7 holds 3 and my Finnlight holds 4. My X-Bolt held 3.

Originally Posted by LongDraw

Is there a manufacturer that holds more than 2 WSM rounds in the mag?

Sako for sure and the x-bolt....although not sure why you'd need more than two. With a different box design I could have done three in my RMR but I chose not too.