Face Veils

airbornedeerhunter · #1 12-12-2011, 11:14 PM

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...hip-rules.html

I'm going to try and keep my big yap shut on this one, other than to say that the governments position doesn't go near as far enough as I want it to.

BeeGuy · #2 12-12-2011, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by airbornedeerhunter

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...hip-rules.html

I'm going to try and keep my big yap shut on this one, other than to say that the governments position doesn't go near as far enough as I want it to.

While cops can disguise their identity and remove name and number ID tags, I could care less what some immigrant is doing.

Most Canadians maintain a tribal self-identification that supersedes their national identity anyways.

We live in a globalized world, Nationalism is little more than a smoke screen.

Should get the ball rollin...

calgarychef · #3 12-13-2011, 03:24 AM

What the hell do I care how someone dresses. They are different from a different culture big deal, get over it. I draw the line where security is an issue, such as drivers liscences, or airports etc.

rugatika · #4 12-13-2011, 06:36 AM

I imagine we'll discover the importance of nationalism vs globalism soon enough.

Lefty-Canuck · #5 12-13-2011, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by calgarychef

What the hell do I care how someone dresses. They are different from a different culture big deal, get over it. I draw the line where security is an issue, such as drivers liscences, or airports etc.

X2....fine then you don't want to remove veil then the authorities take DNA and start a database to maintain an "identity bank"....remove the veil OR give blood and hair samples you choose....(just helping BeeGuy get it rolling

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LC

eastcoast · #6 12-13-2011, 07:05 AM

half of me is saying what someone does and how they dress is none of the governments business, the other half is saying rules are rules so im torn on this one.

jaylow? · #7 12-13-2011, 07:15 AM

i think its funny that theres no way my woman could go around a muslim country (not that i ever would step foot in one) with out covering at least her hair and sometimes much more. but we protect their right to do this here. screw em.

why on earth do we cater to anyone?

eastcoast · #8 12-13-2011, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jaylow?

i think its funny that theres no way my woman could go around a muslim country (not that i ever would step foot in one) with out covering at least her hair and sometimes much more. but we protect their right to do this here. screw em.

why on earth do we cater to anyone?

um...because it's a free country.

FishingMOM · #9 12-13-2011, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by airbornedeerhunter

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stor...hip-rules.html

I'm going to try and keep my big yap shut on this one, other than to say that the governments position doesn't go near as far enough as I want it to.

That's cause the government are scared of hurting peoples feelings.
Going to hear the racism card played on this one.

Then some pansy ***** judge will say we are being meanies.

panwojciech · #10 12-13-2011, 07:53 AM

It is a small step, but in the right direction.

Grizzly Adams · #11 12-13-2011, 08:00 AM

Fn' computer.

Grizz

marlin1 · #12 12-13-2011, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by panwojciech

It is a small step, but in the right direction.

X2

Grizzly Adams · #13 12-13-2011, 08:02 AM

I keep wondering where all the Women's Libbers are on this one.

At one time they were bitching about having to wear a bra, now they just pretend it's not happening.

Grizz

Redfrog · #14 12-13-2011, 08:09 AM

rights=responsibilities

Get with the program.

So it's a crime to wear a disguise to commit a crime, what if you were disguised like these women?

eastcoast · #15 12-13-2011, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Redfrog

rights=responsibilities

Get with the program.

So it's a crime to wear a disguise to commit a crime, what if you were disguised like these women?

are they commiting a crime?

Zulu9er · #16 12-13-2011, 08:16 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IGeEG6O4g4

I don't have a problem with it,,,,,,,,

Redfrog · #17 12-13-2011, 08:17 AM

Here in Alberta when someone says 'What if" that suggests a hypothetical situation.
Hope this helps.

jaylow? · #18 12-13-2011, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by eastcoast

um...because it's a free country.

thats a crap answer. the majority shouldnt have to cater to the minority.

eastcoast · #19 12-13-2011, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jaylow?

thats a crap answer. the majority shouldnt have to cater to the minority.

you are mixing up rights with popularity, rights are for everybody even the minority, with this line of thinking slavery would still be legal south of the border because they are a minority and would be outvoted.

bigbadjoe108 · #20 12-13-2011, 08:28 AM

Canada has a higher standard of living which is attributable to living in a free society.

People from the middle east move here to make their lives better. It could be argued that they should be encouraged/mandated to leave their backwards thought procesess behind to ensure that they don't make their new country a cess pool like thier old ones.

eastcoast · #21 12-13-2011, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bigbadjoe108

Canada has a higher standard of living which is attributable to living in a free society.

People from the middle east move here to make their lives better. It could be argued that they should be encouraged/mandated to leave their backwards thought procesess behind to ensure that they don't make their new country a cess pool like thier old ones.

there are lots of people descended from countries that can be considered cesspools, and they probably are not responsible for what their country is like at all.

Classic_Cool · #22 12-13-2011, 08:34 AM

"I can't think of anything more damaging to women's equality and women's rights than removing their freedom of choice. So I think it was an easy political point to score and at the expense of a vulnerable group of women."

Umm...they didn't start wearing those things out of their own choice. Where they came from it was wear the damn scarf or get stoned (the bad kind of stoned).

I see where the government is coming from on this, the oath doesn't mean anything if you don't know who's actually behind the veil or if they're even saying the oath.

In terms of public wearing of those things....I don't mind if first generation immigrants have them. I do mind if they go and teach that shame to their Canadian-raised kids. That kind of thing will only hold them back in the school environment and other social areas of life.

jaylow? · #23 12-13-2011, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by eastcoast

you are mixing up rights with popularity, rights are for everybody even the minority, with this line of thinking slavery would still be legal south of the border because they are a minority and would be outvoted.

thats a reach buddy. women wearing face veils to slavery? nice. i dont think the slaves got a vote in that one.

the french got it right with this one.

eastcoast · #24 12-13-2011, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Classic_Cool

"I can't think of anything more damaging to women's equality and women's rights than removing their freedom of choice. So I think it was an easy political point to score and at the expense of a vulnerable group of women."

Umm...they didn't start wearing those things out of their own choice. Where they came from it was wear the damn scarf or get stoned (the bad kind of stoned).

I see where the government is coming from on this, the oath doesn't mean anything if you don't know who's actually behind the veil or if they're even saying the oath.

In terms of public wearing of those things....I don't mind if first generation immigrants have them. I do mind if they go and teach that shame to their Canadian-raised kids. That kind of thing will only hold them back in the school environment and other social areas of life.

this is alot of the reason I am split on this, on one hand it's people's right to wear whatever they want, and there is a religious right in there aswell, but then I agree that you should show your face in certain instances like airports etc.

bigbadjoe108 · #25 12-13-2011, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by eastcoast

there are lots of people descended from countries that can be considered cesspools, and they probably are not responsible for what their country is like at all.

And they move here for a new start. Not to propogate their backwards ideas.

The same ideas that made the country they are running from a cess pool.

Both my parents escaped countries and came here to become Canadian, not to convert Canadians to their former home's way of thought.

eastcoast · #26 12-13-2011, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jaylow?

thats a reach buddy. women wearing face veils to slavery? nice. i dont think the slaves got a vote in that one.

the french got it right with this one.

you are saying that because a majority doesn't like something then it should be outlawed, just like slavery the majority wanted it, maybe you don't understand what "rights" are.?

eastcoast · #27 12-13-2011, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bigbadjoe108

And they move here for a new start. Not to propogate their backwards ideas.

The same ideas that made the country they are running from a cess pool.

Both my parents escaped countries and came here to become Canadian, not to convert Canadians to their former home's way of thought.

I don't think they are trying to convert anybody. they are trying to live their life the way they are used to.

Lefty-Canuck · #28 12-13-2011, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by eastcoast

you are saying that because a majority doesn't like something then it should be outlawed, just like slavery the majority wanted it, maybe you don't understand what "rights" are.?

Rights of Canada are for the citizens of this country...if you want those rights then you gotta do what you gotta do to show you deserve them....when you become a citizen.

LC

Rod1960 · #29 12-13-2011, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by eastcoast

I don't think they are trying to convert anybody. they are trying to live their life the way they are used to.

Then why emmigrate in the first place?

jaylow? · #30 12-13-2011, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by eastcoast

you are saying that because a majority doesn't like something then it should be outlawed, just like slavery the majority wanted it, maybe you don't understand what "rights" are.?

thats how it works. i guess they could have avoided a little war over that if they just listened to the majority hey. anyways this is getting old.