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What exactly defines a terrorist...??? Does terrorist equal group of Muslim Extremists? Or a single Muslim extremist? Or do you even have to be Muslim? i.e. Timothy McVeigh, To me, anyone who causes terror is a terrorist. I'm extremely ****ed off that this happened but I have no idea where to point my anger at...Refuse to be terrorized by these scum! This takes their power away.
We have to be smart about this. Without full knowledge of who, what, where, why and how we can't make an educated decision on what we'll do about it.
If this turns out to be directly connected to ISIS...all the more reason to kill everyone of them. I feel that it's more complicated than that though. This is an Ideology that can and has shown its face anywhere, through anyone...
RIP Soldier. Thank You for your service!
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10-22-2014, 04:09 PM
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Either one feels that something needs to be done differently than before, or that nothing needs to be done. I take it you are in the latter camp?
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Nice false dilemma - I see what you did there!
Perhaps you just joined this thread, and missed my previous posts.
I'm in the "camp" that cautions that ill-conceived and hasty response will result in unintended consequences.
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Nice false dilemma - I see what you did there!
Perhaps you just joined this thread, and missed my previous posts.
I'm in the "camp" that cautions that ill-conceived and hasty response will result in unintended consequences.
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Then we are in perfect agreement. I'd like to see well-concieved, thoughful strategy and actions that produce a decrease in hate, radicalization, and violence. So quit trying to bait and start an argument with me.
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10-22-2014, 04:19 PM
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Nice false dilemma - I see what you did there!
Perhaps you just joined this thread, and missed my previous posts.
I'm in the "camp" that cautions that ill-conceived and hasty response will result in unintended consequences.
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Perhaps you should run for PM, or try to get a job advising the Chief of the Defence Staff. You've been fairly passive aggressive and condescending in your comments about this terrorist attack. I have a feeling you aren't making a lot of friends on here buds!
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10-22-2014, 04:26 PM
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Just checking updates on the CBC site. Banner immediately above the headline stating one of our military shot dead is for some comedy thing, big letters saying "Canada laughs here" are they total disrespectful imbeciles or what?
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There has to some serious changes now, there is no reason for these things to be happening and for all these radicals to be coming into Canada. If you come to Canada, you support Canada….. if you disagree with what we believe in and stand for…. get out! Plain and simple
Our soldiers have risked their lives, in both World Wars and many other conflicts to let Canadians have the rights and freedoms we do, and we should back our soldiers up….. no questions asked
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10-22-2014, 04:30 PM
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Then we are in perfect agreement. I'd like to see well-concieved, thoughful strategy and actions that produce a decrease in hate, radicalization, and violence. So quit trying to bait and start an argument with me.
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With that stream of thought consider that isis is just rebranded al-quaida.
Now that it is well known that the CIA trained and funded al-quaida at one time as "freedom fighters" and are now calling them terrorists. Think about that for a minute. Now a " well-concieved , thoughtful strategy and actions that produce a decrease in hate , radicalization and violence " would be to expose these puppet masters for what they are.
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More laws controlling free speech?
Bro: Did you go to the that Miss Hitler Contest they held in Russia last week?
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Kudo's to the sergeant at arms Kevin Vickers
Who knew he carries a gun as well as a mace I always thought that position was for show.
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Shooter used a lever action 30-30
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10-22-2014, 04:40 PM
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The weapons confusion could be the result of the media not knowing the difference. Many of these people are urban folks have no exposure to firearms.
My mother, who is currently staying with me, has no idea of the difference between a shotgun and a rifle, and I own both.
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I heard a CBC reporter on the scene say "police armed with AK47's".
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10-22-2014, 04:41 PM
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With that stream of thought consider that isis is just rebranded al-quaida.
Now that it is well known that the CIA trained and funded al-quaida at one time as "freedom fighters" and are now calling them terrorists. Think about that for a minute. Now a " well-concieved , thoughtful strategy and actions that produce a decrease in hate , radicalization and violence " would be to expose these puppet masters for what they are.
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Can't blame ourselves or our leaders for this mess can we???? Either way...need to move forward. Without being any kind of expert in foreign affairs it sure's seems the more ourselves and the US have done over there the more hatred and backlash that has returned. A sticky situation. ***** footing around seems to be the worst solution though. All in or All out in my opinion. Leaning a lot more to ALL IN after today's events.
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10-22-2014, 04:43 PM
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Shooter used a lever action 30-30
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Any info to back that up? Honestly curious to know.
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Any info to back that up? Honestly curious to know.
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The pic CBC showed was a lever gun.
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The pic CBC showed was a lever gun.
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Thanks, I looked briefly but couldnt find any info about what he used. Doesnt matter much, its a disgusting crime any way you slice it.
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pic should 3030 reports where he had a shotgun
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The pic CBC showed was a lever gun.
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For the CBC that would be an AK 30-30.
It is made at Baikal factory #30 of Putin Chemical and Steel. AG.
Edit: A Baikal AK 30-30 shotgun. Very rare. Have not even heard about it from the late Ted and Stan of CHAS.
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The pic CBC showed was a lever gun.
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one witness on CBC just said double barrel shotgun, another said a single shot rifle.
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soldier killed Cpl Nathan Cirllo Rest in Piece
Cpl. Nathan Cirillo leaves behind son. Heartbreaking.
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10-22-2014, 05:10 PM
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one witness on CBC just said double barrel shotgun, another said a single shot rifle.
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Evan Soloman commenting on the video of the shooting in the Building talked about assault weapons fire, yet everyone seen had side arms. The media is next to useless.
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Robin Goodfellow's comments are obviously the result of a soft head, and he's earned a place on my ignore list. But this is no better:
The last attacker was a white guy, or did you mean get rid of every immigrant whose family arrived after the natives?
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Well I'm sure this white guy just dreamed up Isis and I think you gotta be Muslim for this to be brought on, but immigration is a great thing eh, for the people who stick up for it I wish you were the ones with out a loved one and maybe you'd think twice
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The pic CBC showed was a lever gun.
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Evan Solomon just called it an assault rifle while the pic was up on the screen .colossal d-bag
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We weren't at war, until yesterday, when we sent our jets to bomb some nutjobs on the other side of the planet.
Nutjobs with zero force projection capability.
It's a shame that in our national rush to avoid "doing nothing" we also avoided responding sensibly.
When ISIS finally does figure out a way to "respond" to us, let us not delude ourselves as to who threw the first punch.
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HIP HIP HOORAW , finely a man with some knowledge .
l said this would happen if Harper sends the warplanes over there , now the nuts will retaliate on us for a war that was started by American oil mongrels.
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Isis are idiots. Had they taken over part if Iraq and Syria...shored up their defences then announced a Islamic Stare wanting to live thereon in peace they would of been smart. I see this group run by internet geeks with lots of technical charisma power yet no people smarts. A bad social game in a life and death competition.
Had they done the above and then released all western hostages they likely would of been left alone to grow and prosper. Not good for the rest of the world however. Like the game Risk... The smart player stays quiet and grows while others knock each other off. Yes it takes patience...also shows a lack of the social side of the game.
They however were dumb. They threw the first punch. They declared war in the western world and brutally murdered innocent westerners.
That cause a retaliation by Canada. Small response due in part to a weak NDP and Liberal leader.
Now they do this heinous and despicable act...cowardly and weak minded. Now as WW2 Germany found out... You don't wake up Canadians.
We know the terrors of letting evil like this escape early consequences.
So to the soldier...deepest possible gratitude for your sacrifice. To his family. He won't be avenged. The military is higher then that. He will be a catelyst for the country to rally behind what his service meant. Protect Canada and our cherished way of life.
May Canada shoot straight and true.
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Mil-guys: Question.
Would Cirillo qualify for a full Canadian military funeral?
I was wondering because of the reservist issue.
I think he better get one.
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The twisted thinking is in someone who reads my post and concludes I "Blame our government" for what happened today.
What happened today has been in the works for a while, and is probably unrelated.
Once our Jets start dropping bombs on ISIS, however, we can be assured that they will move beyond bombastic chest-thumping to trying to figure out a way to reach out and touch us for real.
They don't have SFA for projecting force, but once having been motivated by Canadian airstrikes, they'll be thinking up some pretty creative ways to respond.
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Evan Soloman commenting on the video of the shooting in the Building talked about assault weapons fire, yet everyone seen had side arms. The media is next to useless.
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The CBC cleaned up a telephone call of the actual fire fight. Listen to the last part of it. I heard it twice at work this morning
There is automatic weapons fire at the end. Light stuff like 9 mil.
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Unbelieveable
So sad, a tragedy for all.
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HIP HIP HOORAW , finely a man with some knowledge .
l said this would happen if Harper sends the warplanes over there , now the nuts will retaliate on us for a war that was started by American oil mongrels.
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I thought Isis started in Syria due to the Arab spring movement and the governments oppression. Syria is not a significant oil producing country. Syria is also propped up by Iran and Russia. The two main Muslim conflict between Sunni and Shiite in turn fuels the sectarian wars and conflicts.
US leaving Iraq to an ineffectual military and government gave them weapons
Turkey is allowing illegal oil sales and militant entry. Turkey seems to wants Isis to kill and weaken the Kurds before stepping in. Thinking smart as in the Risk game analogy.
Maybe I just don't see it your way.
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