Caribou poached in East Central AB - Page 2

Pudelpointer · #31 12-23-2011, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryry4

Your right, either way someone needs to get their hand slapped good.

If someone mistook it for a deer they need to get slapped in the face as well.

As far as it being a listed species I'm not sure it applies to FN. I say that because I know of a FN guy down south here that shot a grizzly last year and is planning on going out for another one and he's within the law, as it stands right now.

Well last year I do not believe grizzly were actually listed, though they might be now. I also think it has to do with its status (endangered vs. threatened vs. special concern).

Off the top of my head there was a ruling from the Supreme Court a few years back that spelled out that conservation trumps FN food/trade/ceremonial rights. This was in relation to a Fraser River salmon run (Thompson R. Coho or Sockeye) and the court said that DFO could stop the StoLo (pretty sure) from fishing, however they had priority for any fish that came available, before commercial or sports fishermen.

#32 12-23-2011, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by conan

It has everything to do with it. Like Sheep said if it was taken by First nations then it would not be a matter of poaching just a matter of wasting which is unlawful for everyone.
Why are you guys so scared of raising any questions about our First Nation brothers?

No it doesn’t

if it was taken by first nation folks it would be gone not wasted and anyone with half a brain knows wasting meat is unlawful why are so many so quick to blame.

Pudelpointer · #33 12-23-2011, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sheephunter

Sadly you are right and that was most certainly not my intent. It's just sometimes te media blows things way out of proportion when there is a logical explanation. I was just wondering if that was the case here. No need for this to turn ugly but sadly, it likely will.

Hey, it was the first thing that popped into my head! It is a valid question that should not result in a mudslinging.

I wish we could have just one conversation on here about these issues without it getting locked because of ignorance.

hal53 · #34 12-23-2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by grind stone

No it doesn’t

if it was taken by first nation folks it would be gone not wasted and anyone with half a brain knows wasting meat is unlawful why are so many so quick to blame.

Because lots of us have seen otherwise....sorry.....

Pudelpointer · #35 12-23-2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by grind stone

No it doesn’t

if it was taken by first nation folks it would be gone not wasted and anyone with half a brain knows wasting meat is unlawful why are so many so quick to blame.

Which was my second thought.... which makes me think it is likely something else going on.

I don't think anyone is blaming anyone. I think Sheep asked a valid question, and it prompted a couple responses. If it was a non-FN person they need to get hammered for the poaching and for the wasted meat, if it is a FN person, then they need to get hammered for the wasted meat at the very least.

I think we can all agree that the person needs to get caught, and needs to be persuaded not to do it again.

Ryry4 · #36 12-23-2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pudelpointer

Well last year I do not believe grizzly were actually listed, though they might be now. I also think it has to do with its status (endangered vs. threatened vs. special concern).

Right, grizzlies are listed as "threatened". I forget that because everyone with a microphone and camera in their face says they're "endangered". Makes sense they would have different rules. But, I have heard of them being hunted in Alberta by FN.

Ryry4 · #37 12-23-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pudelpointer

Which was my second thought.... which makes me think it is likely something else going on.

I don't think anyone is blaming anyone. I think Sheep asked a valid question, and it prompted a couple responses. If it was a non-FN person they need to get hammered for the poaching and for the wasted meat, if it is a FN person, then they need to get hammered for the wasted meat at the very least.

I think we can all agree that the person needs to get caught, and needs to be persuaded not to do it again.

X2. Right on the money Pudel.

Pudelpointer · #38 12-23-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hal53

Because lots of us have seen otherwise....sorry.....

And I have seen lots of deer dumped with just there heads cut off, or just their backstraps and hind 1/4s removed that I know were not from FN.

I have heard it all, and seen a lot, and unless you witness it first hand, with your own eyes, you are speculating.

#39 12-23-2011, 01:58 PM

From my experience there are good and bad people from all nations. Anyhow, it was just an innocent question. I'm sorry I brought it. I'm out!

hal53 · #40 12-23-2011, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pudelpointer

And I have seen lots of deer dumped with just there heads cut off, or just their backstraps and hind 1/4s removed that I know were not from FN.

I have heard it all, and seen a lot, and unless you witness it first hand, with your own eyes, you are speculating.

Trust me...I'm not speculating...this thread should be done shortly...I'm out as well....can't even get a reasonable response to a question anymore.....

C Taylor · #41 12-23-2011, 02:02 PM

I was working with a native crew by Conklin a couple years ago and asked them if they were allowed to hunt caribou. They didn't get mad as I don't see any racist in the question.
Anyways they said that srd had met with the reserve and the elders had agreed that the caribou shouldnt be hunted. Anyone that would shoot one would be looked down on by the res.
Don't have the regs with me but pretty sure the season closed nov 30. 500 stays open longer but that's south of where this caribou would be.

jaylow? · #42 12-23-2011, 02:03 PM

this thread is complete bs. as usual a thread about one thing has become an argument about something else. something that may have nothing to do with the thread at all. good going boys.

Redfrog · #43 12-23-2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sheephunter

From my experience there are good and bad people from all nations. Anyhow, it was just an innocent question. I'm sorry I brought it. I'm out!

I'm glad you type faster than me. That was the first question that came to me and for the same reasons.

Anyway better you run the gauntlet for your "disrespect" than me.

see what I did there?

conan · #44 12-23-2011, 02:30 PM

Actually I think it was a black guy

bearbait · #45 12-23-2011, 02:48 PM

im sure anything listed thretened, endangered, protected is off the cards for everyone...no matter what race they are..they are listed for a reason..fn guys cant take grizz just like us and carabou is the same according to f&w officer i know..
rob

riden · #46 12-23-2011, 02:48 PM

I would be shocked if they can't.

I am very surprised to see a tag system for bison accepted in Zama. Even if FN agreed not to hunt the bou because of numbers, no way they would agree to put it in writing.

But, I could be wrong, it's just my opinion.

just_dave · #47 12-23-2011, 03:06 PM

I can see it being someone that saw a caribou, got a little too excited and made the poor choice to shoot it, take a little meat and quickly gtfo of there. Probably wasn't their first bad decision to shoot wildlife they shouldn't be shooting, most likely not their last.

riden · #48 12-23-2011, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bearbait

im sure anything listed thretened, endangered, protected is off the cards for everyone...no matter what race they are..they are listed for a reason..fn guys cant take grizz just like us and carabou is the same according to f&w officer i know..
rob

But that doesn't make sense.

Caribou and grizz are listed as endangered/threatened at the provincial level.

FN are a federal concern and all the treaties signed were at with federal gov't. So how could the province amend the federal treaty?

echo · #49 12-23-2011, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by C Taylor

I was working with a native crew by Conklin a couple years ago and asked them if they were allowed to hunt caribou. They didn't get mad as I don't see any racist in the question.
Anyways they said that srd had met with the reserve and the elders had agreed that the caribou shouldnt be hunted. Anyone that would shoot one would be looked down on by the res.
Don't have the regs with me but pretty sure the season closed nov 30. 500 stays open longer but that's south of where this caribou would be.

just last fall they were still approaching people wondering who wanted to buy moose or caribou outside the bar in conklin !! this is not hear say as i was one of the people asked !!

ishootbambi · #50 12-23-2011, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by conan

Actually I think it was a black guy

nope....definitely azn!

good grief....everything has to be an argument these days. whatsa matter witchoo tj.......gotta stir the pot in every thread....

Rockymtnx · #51 12-23-2011, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Loper

Subsistence hunting does not include killing animals and leaving them. They would be in violation no matter if it was a moose, a deer or a caribou.

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Originally Posted by sheephunter

Are you certain of that?

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Originally Posted by Ryry4

Your right, but it does happen.

Ryry, your right. I have reported the wastage of meat several times, and every time been told that they cant do much about it if some of the meat was taken. I've also been told it becomes a political nightmare for the justice system.

The article mentions that some meat was taken, so I too would question the possibility of a substance hunter.

Ryry4 · #52 12-23-2011, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockymtnx

Ryry, your right. I have reported the wastage of meat several times, and every time been told that they cant do much about it if some of the meat was taken. I've also been told it becomes a political nightmare for the justice system.

The article mentions that some meat was taken, so I too would question the possibility of a substance hunter.

Go to love the system at work, huhÉ

Fox red lab · #53 12-23-2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sheephunter

Are First Nation hunters permitted to harvest caribou in Alberta still?

It's just a question people, get a grip. Merry Christmas!

Innoka · #54 12-23-2011, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockymtnx

Ryry, your right. I have reported the wastage of meat several times, and every time been told that they cant do much about it if some of the meat was taken. I've also been told it becomes a political nightmare for the justice system.

The article mentions that some meat was taken, so I too would question the possibility of a substance hunter.

Substance abuser? What the heck is a "substance hunter"?

hal53 · #55 12-23-2011, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Innoka

Substance abuser? What the heck is a "substance hunter"?

Think we all know what he meant...but good deflection....

greylynx · #56 12-23-2011, 06:50 PM

I've also been told it becomes a political nightmare for the justice system.

Yes indeed.

The end result is provincial lawyers paid for by taxpayers fighting federal lawyers paid for by taxpayers

This is crazy.

IR_mike · #57 12-23-2011, 07:18 PM

To answer some of the questions asked (To the best of my limited ability)

Yes TJ I believe Treaty/Status individuals can still harvest caribou.

I have a local freind who is treaty and liveing off the reserve who harvested a caribou in the same general area about 10 years ago and went through a F and W checkstop set up at la corey.

He showed his card and went on his way, So this tells me it is legal.

It was in WMU 514 in which all ungulate seasons ended on Nov 30th.

I have seen status people succcessfuly harvest animals (moose) just off the road a few hundred yards north of the CNRL wolf lake office and in other locations in the immediate area.

They seem to buy the same rechargable reciprocating saws at canadian tire that I do so the animals are usually gutted, skinned, and quartered right there with just forelegs and a gut pile left.

Not a lot of wastage as they seem to like cutting the hinds into steaks and roasts like we do and then turning the less good parts into sausage, smokies etc.

Or they drop the guts out of it, wrap a sling around the neck drag it do a ditch or other raised area and suck it into the back of a pickup (especially if its cold out)

I dont think it was a status individual for the fact they could have took the whole animal without fear of any kind of legal problems.

I only had it posted because a lot of people who do not live locally work and travel the same road.

Might have to grab the .204 and see if I can crack a magpie or yote off the carcass tommorow.

IR_mike · #58 12-23-2011, 07:29 PM

PS. Thanks pudlepointer for posting.

A merry HO HO to you and your smoking hot wife.

(Im not kidding guys shes a real looker.)

rielbowhunter · #59 12-23-2011, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by riden

But that doesn't make sense.

Caribou and grizz are listed as endangered/threatened at the provincial level.

FN are a federal concern and all the treaties signed were at with federal gov't. So how could the province amend the federal treaty?

2x that!

antlerguy · #60 12-23-2011, 08:47 PM

Being a taxidermist I know for a fact that a person that holds a card can take a Grizzly for subsistence. It is still registered with the F+W. This being said I am not sure on Caribou in Alberta.