Quality Trout Fisheries in Alberta - Page 57

HunterDave · #**1681** 03-29-2011, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by HunterDave

You can use any hypothetical scenario that you want. The fact remains that the lazy fishermen will not make the effort required to go to a lake holding big fish if they have to travel any distance to get to them. Those lakes will always have the biggest/most fish in them.

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Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

LMAO you really are funny.

You disagree?

huntsfurfish · #**1682** 03-29-2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by HunterDave

You disagree?

no I dont

so if we improve no fisheries that helps how?

Still the same ole dave

So if we improve the fisheries that helps by making the furthest away better?

Guess that would be bad huh.

Still sounds like your low on ammo

huntsfurfish · #**1683** 03-29-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

Having say, 5 large fish in a lake that should have 500 large fish is a heck of a plan(lets not do anything about that). There was a large fish in there last week I think I will go catch it again. Cmon!

So I guess what you are saying is if we loaded up your lakes with fishermen and removed almost all of the large fish from your lakes for a 150 mile radius. You would not support regulation changes to reverse the quality of fishing in your area?
Put another way for ya. Your catching say a 23" fish every 3 days of fishing on your favorite lake. Now because of fisning pressure, It takes you 480 days to catch that 23" fish. What do you do? Go to another lake? What if all the lakes are like that? Do you change species, fish for walleye? Do you do NOTHING and just accept it? What the heck do you do??????????????????

Dave you used the quote.

Why not take a shot at answering the questions?

Speckle55 · #**1684** 03-29-2011, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

The ole pyramid of life

not totally accurate but here we go spec(ratios)
your area and ideally

25" -------------------------------------8
21" ----------------------------------8----8
15" --------------------------------8--------8
12" -----------------------------8-------------8
10" ---------------------------8-----------------8
8" ------------------------8-----------------------8 Sorry its a little lop sided.

our area not ideal at all
25"-------------------------------------8
21"-------------------------------------8
15"-------------------------------------8
12"----------------------------------8-----8
10"-----------------------------8----------------8
8"---------------------------8-----------------------8

And no its not the finger either

lol

Can you see what Im getting at?

I said post 619 you start at 12 inches and go from there the moment u put fish in lake you lose 30 % in first year 6 inch fish verses 12inch fish

your club Rainbow Trout of Alberta______ (lake name) chapter.. or TU same Name does a Casino in citys 2 days nets Club 67000.00(apply for Grant double money apply Fed Grant triple money) give Terry money to get 12inch Bows and aerate or u ask Terry if he can use 1000 fish at 12" to be put in a dead lake..200000..00

Then you mobilize towns/ county/clubs/school kids etc to help remediation of lake vegetation etc and ask DOF for Templates and experts to revitilize your lake that Terry choose..

But you need a leader and organizers,, a doer you don,t need talkers trust me

we just put up a $400000 ,, 40' by 150' indoor archery range and Youth Centre in Hinton at the Hinton Fish & Game Shooting Range.. Thanks Kevin Guimond/team and his members/ etc

Check out at www.Hintonfishandgame.ca then Youth Centre scroll down to see pic .. thanks to all who helped /most sponsors are noted but some pictures still coming and if we missed anyone we apologize..

David

huntsfurfish · #**1685** 03-29-2011, 02:26 PM

So spec are you going to answer the questions?

huntsfurfish · #**1686** 03-29-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

Having say, 5 large fish in a lake that should have 500 large fish is a heck of a plan(lets not do anything about that). There was a large fish in there last week I think I will go catch it again. Cmon!

So I guess what you are saying is if we loaded up your lakes with fishermen and removed almost all of the large fish from your lakes for a 150 mile radius. You would not support regulation changes to reverse the quality of fishing in your area?
Put another way for ya. Your catching say a 23" fish every 3 days of fishing on your favorite lake. Now because of fisning pressure, It takes you 480 days to catch that 23" fish. What do you do? Go to another lake? What if all the lakes are like that? Do you change species, fish for walleye? Do you do NOTHING and just accept it? What the heck do you do??????????????????

Sorry spec forgot to add the quote with the questions.

Here they are.

Sundancefisher · #**1687** 03-29-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Speckle55

Then you mobilize towns/ county/clubs/school kids etc to help remediation of lake vegetation etc and ask DOF for Templates and experts to revitilize your lake that Terry choose..

There is no remediation required Specs...you are so not getting that fact. There is no vegetation problems. You don't have a clue what you are saying

. You clearly worked on some habitat enhancement project 30 years ago and feel everything thereafter needs enhancing which is fortunately not true. Working within mother nature's limits gives you plenty of room to make a great quality fishery. This is not a salmon creek enhancement program...it is simple stock at a certain rate, catch fish, but delay harvest until they are larger and providing great sport in the meanwhile.

Specs...keep practicing looking over your own typing prior to posting...you still need practice..

huntsfurfish · #**1688** 03-29-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Speckle55

I said post 619 you start at 12 inches and go from there the moment u put fish in lake you lose 30 % in first year 6 inch fish verses 12inch fish

your club Rainbow Trout of Alberta______ (lake name) chapter.. or TU same Name does a Casino in citys 2 days nets Club 67000.00(apply for Grant double money apply Fed Grant triple money) give Terry money to get 12inch Bows and aerate or u ask Terry if he can use 1000 fish at 12" to be put in a dead lake..200000..00

Then you mobilize towns/ county/clubs/school kids etc to help remediation of lake vegetation etc and ask DOF for Templates and experts to revitilize your lake that Terry choose..

But you need a leader and organizers,, a doer you don,t need talkers trust me

we just put up a $400000 ,, 40' by 150' indoor archery range and Youth Centre in Hinton at the Hinton Fish & Game Shooting Range.. Thanks Kevin Guimond/team and his members/ etc

Check out at www.Hintonfishandgame.ca then Youth Centre scroll down to see pic .. thanks to all who helped /most sponsors are noted but some pictures still coming and if we missed anyone we apologize..

David

Fund raising will not be neccessary. Guess the only thing needed is highlighted in your post. But talkers are valuable too, you see, thats where ideas come from.

ps did ya answer the questions yet.

ishootbambi · #**1689** 03-29-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pudelpointer

Speckle, this is the only post I could find from ISB regarding size of fish from any lake. He does not mention Michelle Reservoir from what I could find, unless it was mentioned before I answered your question (I do not have time to go back through 1000 posts).

So I stand by my assertion that Michelle is highly unlikely to have any fish in the 4-5lb mark. I would love to hear different though.

im not sure what the question is exactly, but ill try to answer it anyway???....

reagrding michelle, i said that it was once known to have the odd 25 inch rainbow. due to a variety of factors, i doubt it has any today. the water level has been low for a few years which seems to be increasing winter moratlity as well as fish growth in general. the local population has increased a whole bunch which has increased fishing pressure a whole bunch on michelle and every other local lake near medicine hat. with the loss of cavan for a few years it further pressured the remaining lakes. keep in mind how few lakes are in this area to begin with. cavan has fish again, and plans are in the works to keep it full of both water and fish. hopefully that works out.

as for the 25 plus inch rainbow that came up to my boat last year, it was at bullshead. i placed the tape along it, and it was around 25 3/8 (i didnt worry about getting an exact relaxed measurement....just held her beside the tape on the inside wall of the boat). i handled her quickly and released her without putting her on the scale. i estimate the weight to be at a plump 6 pounds.

ishootbambi · #**1690** 03-29-2011, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by HunterDave

So you are saying that this poll accurately reflects what all Alberta anglers want our fisheries to be and +40% want all of our still waters to be C&R?

I take it that you don't see the similarities between hunt farms and fish farms.

are you for real? i dont believe that even 1% of anglers want EVERY lake to be C&R. i do believe that 75% of anglers want to have an opportunity to catch bigger fish. i also believe that there are a whack of guys willing to travel far and wide for the chance, but would like the possibility a little closer to home.

now talking about hunt farms and fish farms......cmon dave, you are grasping at something that just isnt there.

Speckle55 · #**1691** 03-29-2011, 02:46 PM

what i love about these site is that people read theses posts and see what others don,t .. its like when i take people out fishing with me or i see others fish..
some get it some don,t ..

Speckle55 · #**1692** 03-29-2011, 02:52 PM

Why does TU do so much work on areas because they know the Goverment won,t ....we don,t give them the money(Gov dept).. Thanks TU Guys and Gals AWESOME jobs and Fish and Game Clubs..

huntsfurfish · #**1693** 03-29-2011, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Speckle55

what i love about these site is that people read theses posts and see what others don,t .. its like when i take people out fishing with me or i see others fish..
some get it some don,t ..

And you appear to fall in to the dont get it catagory

lol

huntsfurfish · #**1694** 03-29-2011, 02:57 PM

Spec are you workin on answering the questions?

So we are expected to answer your questions but not the other way around. Nice and that says alot about you.

Speckle55 · #**1695** 03-29-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ishootbambi

are you for real? i dont believe that even 1% of anglers want EVERY lake to be C&R. i do believe that 75% of anglers want to have an opportunity to catch bigger fish. i also believe that there are a whack of guys willing to travel far and wide for the chance, but would like the possibility a little closer to home.

now talking about hunt farms and fish farms......cmon dave, you are grasping at something that just isnt there.

East of Edson ran a trout pond not sure if still but it was so much per inch and they had up to 17 lb trout(rainbows) in pond ask guy who caught not to enter in club or province..

My buddys here have 5 to 6lbers in dugout like ponds here.. just trespassers will be shot and survivors will be shot again..

Sportsmans Show Edmonton Girl was selling Fish from private hatchery/fishfarm?

Sundancefisher · #**1696** 03-29-2011, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by huntsfurfish
Having say, 5 large fish in a lake that should have 500 large fish is a heck of a plan(lets not do anything about that). There was a large fish in there last week I think I will go catch it again. Cmon!

So I guess what you are saying is if we loaded up your lakes with fishermen and removed almost all of the large fish from your lakes for a 150 mile radius. You would not support regulation changes to reverse the quality of fishing in your area?
Put another way for ya. Your catching say a 23" fish every 3 days of fishing on your favorite lake. Now because of fisning pressure, It takes you 480 days to catch that 23" fish. What do you do? Go to another lake? What if all the lakes are like that? Do you change species, fish for walleye? Do you do NOTHING and just accept it? What the heck do you do??????????????????

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Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

Sorry spec forgot to add the quote with the questions.

Here they are.

He would fertilize the lake, do habitat restoration work, look at genetics and mix. There...fixed.

While he is doing that...F&W will look at the root of the problem...see over harvest (cause Dave is killing his 5 a day cause he can't find one over 12 inches to release) combined with over stocking is leaving the lake unable to grow the trout fast enough to make it due to a chronic food shortage. Specs dumps fertilizer in the first one...causing a massive Summer kill so F&W decides to fix the second one. Dave contacts a buddy in Morinville upset that lake number 2 is being improved to increase the average size so while Dave's back is turned...perch get dumped in. Dave...agreeing that railroading is bad...also admits that because it is hard to catch fish due to over harvest and a sharp drop in catch rates...fumes it was THAT reason the perch are in there...not because his back was turned.

So then a third lake is picked...a local fish and game group that UNDERSTANDS biologists know best and after F&W reviews all the factors makes the third lake a quality lake. Specs meanwhile is at another lake wondering why no one is there fishing. He has plenty of stories of master angling to regale people with but alas...only the loons seems to care between dives. Specs gets home to the sound of whooping and hollering from a lake nearby. Upon inspection he can not get close due to lack of parking. After a long walk he marvels at the many, many people happily catching 17 inch rainbows. One fine young child is heading to the car with a 21 inch rainbow...demanding another picture from Dad and Grandad after each step.

Gezz says Specs...why did they not do this before?

huntsfurfish · #**1697** 03-29-2011, 03:05 PM

Guess im on ignore

smitty9 · #**1698** 03-29-2011, 03:05 PM

At this point, I just want to keep the discussion going.

Rumor has it that if we reach 2000 legitimate posts, HunterDave is going to buy every poster a flyrod.

When we reach 3000, Sundancefisher is going to buy everyone a jar of powerbait.

Yay!
Smitty

huntsfurfish · #**1699** 03-29-2011, 03:07 PM

"He would fertilize the lake, do habitat restoration work, look at genetics and mix. There...fixed.'

LOL

huntsfurfish · #**1700** 03-29-2011, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty9

at this point, i just want to keep the discussion going.

Rumor has it that if we reach 2000 legitimate posts, hunterdave is going to buy every poster a flyrod.

When we reach 3000, sundancefisher is going to buy everyone a jar of powerbait.

yay!
Smitty

roflmao

Speckle55 · #**1701** 03-29-2011, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

And you appear to fall in to the dont get it catagory

lol

I am happy i go to where there is a big lake that can grow some big fish and that has the total area to support big numbers and big fish that is 300 ft deep and 14 or more miles long and is in a river system because they have the best chance at a good eating and great size .. do you want me to post this every few days because this is the fourth time i have answer this.. although some dont get why i go there .. most do..

the other posts the people that will help have the lastest studys and info to help(DOF etc)

Speckle55 · #**1702** 03-29-2011, 03:33 PM

Did you look at the creek study we did in Hinton it was dead.. now the kids were catch white fish and bulls /brookie?/rainbows and they are suriving in creek..

just saying if there are people out there that read this look at Haristy Creek or TU work on creeks/lakes
your lakes are dead ... with some work and new ideas can we improve the surival rate so that 30% mortatity is change a bit /lake cover etc these

just adding a aerator up here helped and it does cost the taxpayer not a cent and the fishing can be great not every day but some times..

Sundancer Products spends $1200 every month for power.. TU and them put in and take out..

Swan lake has 9 and our club member went up and caught a 11#11 ozer
not sure who pays up there .AFO members know.. i was just putting out ideas how to improve trout fishery did mean to hurt anyone..

Ps when i fish its very refined.. but thats me

Sundancefisher · #**1703** 03-29-2011, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty9

At this point, I just want to keep the discussion going.

Rumor has it that if we reach 2000 legitimate posts, HunterDave is going to buy every poster a flyrod.

When we reach 3000, Sundancefisher is going to buy everyone a jar of powerbait.

Yay!
Smitty

Only if Gustav convinces Tosh to compromise on the powerbait flavor...and the fact the Flames rock and the Oilers are still sliding

Sundancefisher · #**1704** 03-29-2011, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Speckle55

Did you look at the creek study we did in Hinton it was dead.. now the kids were catch white fish and bulls /brookie?/rainbows and they are suriving in creek..

just saying if there are people out there that read this look at Haristy Creek or TU work on creeks/lakes
your lakes are dead ... with some work and new ideas can we improve the surival rate so that 30% mortatity is change a bit /lake cover etc these

just adding a aerator up here helped and it does cost the taxpayer not a cent and the fishing can be great not every day but some times..

Sundancer Products spends $1200 every month for power.. TU and them put in and take out..

Swan lake has 9 and our club member went up and caught a 11#11 ozer
not sure who pays up there .AFO members know.. i was just putting out ideas how to improve trout fishery did mean to hurt anyone..

Ps when i fish its very refined.. but thats me

How about you get the polluting pulp mills to fix up some lakes in return for all the dioxin dumped in the Athabasca...

Maybe they can build us all some lakes.

As for your post Specs...why talk about creeks now? Because you refuse to answer other questions about lakes? I just have to shake my head.

or roll my eyes...cause I can't find a head shaking smile LOL

Specs...here is an easy question for you. Please name the local Rainbow Trout lakes you personally fish each year.

Thanks

Sun

Speckle55 · #**1705** 03-29-2011, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Only if Gustav convinces Tosh to compromise on the powerbait flavor...and the fact the Flames rock and the Oilers are still sliding

Old oilers Fan .. when you look at number of Stanley Cups .. Edmonton has done fine and that is why its is our Capital.. thanks for the memories.. Calgary is my second choice .. so Edmonton out... cheer Calgary good luck this year Flames

Sundancefisher · #**1706** 03-29-2011, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Speckle55

Old oilers Fan .. when you look at number of Stanley Cups .. Edmonton has done fine and that is why its is our Capital.. thanks for the memories.. Calgary is my second choice .. so Edmonton out... cheer Calgary good luck this year Flames

I grew up watching Gretzky, Kurri, Lowe, Coffey, Semenko, Messier, Anderson et al. playing during the hay days...

It was fun...now they suck

I am still an Alberta boy...so I will cheer which ever one is left if Calgary is not in it...next is BC...next is any Canadian Team...then Pittsburg...then no one.

Speckle55 · #**1707** 03-29-2011, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

How about you get the polluting pulp mills to fix up some lakes in return for all the dioxin dumped in the Athabasca...

Maybe they can build us all some lakes.

As for your post Specs...why talk about creeks now? Because you refuse to answer other questions about lakes? I just have to shake my head.

or roll my eyes...cause I can't find a head shaking smile LOL

Specs...here is an easy question for you. Please name the local Rainbow Trout lakes you personally fish each year.

Thanks

Sun

i have 1 lake Wildhorse lake(RBT)in the 1/2 hr and it dropped in water level in last 6 years by 3 to 4 feet ..they are catching 14 to 16 inchers right now with a 6lb rainbow and 2 browns in 5 to 8 lb range still in lake(i don,t fish)

i key in on other lakes and am will to get up early to get there because they are over 1 hr most close to 2 hrs drive Trout Lake

i will fish Whitefish in the 1/2 hour range from home but have lost Talbot lake 4 to 8 lbs Lake whitefish in Park as they have closed icefishing

Sundancefisher · #**1708** 03-29-2011, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Speckle55

i have 1 lake Wildhorse lake(RBT)in the 1/2 hr and it dropped in water level in last 6 years by 3 to 4 feet ..they are catching 14 to 16 inchers right now with a 6lb rainbow and 2 browns in 5 to 8 lb range still in lake(i don,t fish)

i key in on other lakes and am will to get up early to get there because they are over 1 hr most close to 2 hrs drive Trout Lake

i will fish Whitefish in the 1/2 hour range from home but have lost Talbot lake 4 to 8 lbs Lake whitefish in Park as they have closed icefishing

Did I understand correctly. You don't fish for trout anywheres near Hinton?

chubbdarter · #**1709** 03-29-2011, 04:05 PM

After all these posts and days of consoulling......
I here by pronounce this marriage DEAD. There is no chance of repairing the scars the mean and hurtful things that have been said have caused. Both parties refuse to comprimise.
I recomeend both sides seek divorce lawyers.
signed DR Phil

Speckle55 · #**1710** 03-29-2011, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Did I understand correctly. You don't fish for trout anywheres near Hinton?

I have 1 Rainbow trout lake (small) with in Half and hour of Hinton i don,t fish it..

i have fish lakes in the 1 hr to two hr range last year but not all are rainbows lakes