Alberta Govt supports Illegal fish stocking

[Supergrit]

What is the smallest perch people eat when perch are in a trout lake the biggest is like 5 inches from what I saw do people clean and eat these ?

[SNAPFisher]

[QUOTE=waterninja;3533887]

Originally Posted by Habfan

P.S. I never did find out about this vote some of you were talking about. Was there an e-mail sent to everyone with a win#? I couldn't figure out what idiman was trying to say.

I'm sure he is referring to the SRD surveys that were recently sent out. The links were posted on here as well.

There was a comment earlier that no changes could have been made that fast, wrong. I don't think so. Manatokan is another one that changed and I put in a mountain of comments on that one. Looks to me like they are implementing some of the changes that they could do quickly. Great! FYI, I put in that it should managed as a trophy perch fishery. Hope it is deep and sustainable enough for that.

I've never fished Struble so cannot comment on the fishing. I do see Don's point and it boils my blood to that there are others out there set to change and ruin things for others - i.e. bucket brigade.

The argument that perch are tastier is all fine and dandy but a 5 inch perch compared to a 20 inch fighting rainbow....really??? Apparently there are some on here that have no understanding of the word "sporting".

I'm with Don. Wouldn't it be great to have a province that has great perching fishing and trout fishing (amongst other species as well). Imagine an area created, maintained and monitored the sported 10 lb rainbows even nowadays and another lake no so far away with 12 inch or bigger perch. Selection for all kinds of different anglers. Sounds like Manitoba...

When it comes to the limited resources we have and all the challenges we have, the worst thing is yet another selfish group that sets out to undermine that. It is a crime and shame.

[Habfan]

^^^^^. I didn't post that, I filled out the survey.

[the local angler]

i agree with ya snap there are so many lakes in various provinces and states that carry multiple species and if managed properly provides a great fishery for everyone.

[SNAPFisher]

Originally Posted by Habfan

^^^^^. I didn't post that, I filled out the survey.

Cut and paste error. Waterninja was asking.

[Habfan]

Originally Posted by SNAPFisher

Cut and paste error. Waterninja was asking.

I thought I had a couple too many !

[Unregistered user]

Originally Posted by Supergrit

What is the smallest perch people eat when perch are in a trout lake the biggest is like 5 inches from what I saw do people clean and eat these ?

Our community lake is polluted with perch, there are some asian ladies that will gladly take any size perch off your hands (we have no limit on size or numbers) I should ask how they prepare them.

[wags]

Originally Posted by Don Andersen

Lost to perch in the Rocky area include Twin Lake, Struble Lake, Cow Lake, Phyllis Lake, Tay Lake plus several small UN-named ponds.
Crimson Lake was not a fishery since the '50's but it is now toast.
Twin held rainbows of 5 lbs.
Struble held rainbows of 10 lbs.
Cow Lake raised rainbows to 15 lbs.
Tay raised rainbows to 5 lbs.

Now they raise tiny perch.

Fourty years of talent pays off in tiny perch.



Don

5 and 7 pound rainbow out of Cow and 12 pound out of Phyllis. All in the past two seasons.

Not to mention the 20lb pike out of Cow.

If Crimson Lake isn't a fishery, how could it be toast?

Seen perch at Cow once. Stubel produced rainbows at about 5 to 1 rate of Perch.

I like fishing.

Cheers

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by Don Andersen

Alberta Govt supports Illegal fish stocking

In it's continuing efforts to destroy the fisheries in Alberta, the Province is now rewarding illegal stocking of fish by legitimizing the taking of illegally stocked perch.
Here I though the stocking of Crimson Lake with perch would have stopped the rewarding of illegal stocking.
Nope - now Struble Lake is the newest throwaway lake.

From the regulations in 2017:

New Harvest Opportunities
Ø Pike: Pine Coulee Reservoir, Magee Lake, Manatokan Lake, Bangs Lake.
Ø Walleye: Pine Coulee Reservoir, Burnstick Lake, Gleniffer Reservoir,
Gull Lake, Lac Bellevue, Bourque Lake, Hilda Lake, and Lac La Biche.
Ø Yellow Perch: Strubel Lake.

After near 40 years of doing absolutely nothing about illegal stocking, this is the Govt's newest attack on our trout fisheries.

Disgusted as usual,


Don

Yes, you do seem disgusted, as usual.

Might be worth some intraspection?

While this rant blaming the government is some real sloppy colouring....

What is YOUR solution to the problem?

[SNAPFisher]

Originally Posted by wags

5 and 7 pound rainbow out of Cow and 12 pound out of Phyllis. All in the past two seasons.

Not to mention the 20lb pike out of Cow.

If Crimson Lake isn't a fishery, how could it be toast?

Seen perch at Cow once. Stubel produced rainbows at about 5 to 1 rate of Perch.

I like fishing.

Cheers

[TylerThomson]

D

[Jack fish hunter]

Originally Posted by 3blade

when? 40 years ago when the first trout were put in and there was 3 of you fishing for them, maybe. How many 10 lb trout have we seen in the last three years?

People want to keep fish. the way things are going, we will have to have a p17 just to look at a walleye. Snot rockets taste like mud and cost a lot of money to stock. Perch reproduce on their own and taste good, even when small. People's motivation for fishing has changed, the old snooty 'sportsman' fishing for 'highly regarded species' attitude is dying off. Personally I'd say let's discontinue the rainbows altogether in favor of perch and walleye stocking, if we are going to have a put and take fishery, it may as well be for something that is worth taking.

I agree with that. Not a big walleye fan would rather see them in ponds rather then pike lakes.

[3blade]

Originally Posted by Unregistered user

Our community lake is polluted with perch, there are some asian ladies that will gladly take any size perch off your hands (we have no limit on size or numbers) I should ask how they prepare them.

Many years ago, before Cardiff winterkilled, I happened to be flyfishing beside some Asian fellows who were doing quite well on perch. The rainbows were so bad even the cat wouldn't eat em, so I thought what the heck, let's see what these guys know. They introduced me to slip float fishing and I had limits of perch almost every trip after that. The average was 6-7 inches, some bigger. Cleaned boneless and battered in cornflakes, fried in butter. Absolutely delicious and a huge crowd pleaser. its a fair bit of knife work but that isn't something that bothers me. 3-4 inch filleting knife helps

One egg, half cup of milk, whisked together in a bowl. Plate filled with cornflake crumbs. Dip in egg, then cornflakes, then into a hot pan with plenty of butter. Sprinkle with lemon pepper. Turn once. When done, put on a jerky screen and into the oven at 200 to keep warm prior to serving. The smaller ones are sweet and never have the fishy taste bigger walleye sometimes develop

[waterninja]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

Yes, you do seem disgusted, as usual.

Might be worth some intraspection?

While this rant blaming the government is some real sloppy colouring....

What is YOUR solution to the problem?

I don't mean this as an insult, but what are you blathering on about wb? Even Google has no definition for intraspection. Sloppy colouring?? Please speak English when insulting or being rude to someone on this forum.

I do agree with other posters that once perch are in a trout pond, we should do our best to get rid of them. I guess that makes me a poacher. Again.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by last minute

I like perch

It is not a question about liking perch it is about managing a fishery responsibly.

Do you like catching only 4-6 inch perch is the question you should be responding to. If you answer is yes then you have many opportunities now without needing more. If you find 4-6 inch perch not worth your time...and rather catch 14-20 inch rainbows...you are SOL in many lakes now.

The government needs to find a way to manage the perch better. Maybe an illegal stocking levy on licenses with money going to netting research. Or maybe a catch and release on browns and stock rainbows larger.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Supergrit

What is the smallest perch people eat when perch are in a trout lake the biggest is like 5 inches from what I saw do people clean and eat these ?

some cultures will eat small perch. They gut them and deep fry and eat whole. Others gut and bake/fry and pull the skin off. I fillet then batter or fry in butter or oil as the case may be.

Flour, salt, pepper, lemon herb spice, crushed ritz crackers. Roll pieces in egg white/milk mix and then fry in pan. Small perch take about 5-10 seconds each side.

History at Lake Sundance shows...1:100 anglers loves small perch. 5:100 will catch when bored. 10:100 will come out for a derby with prize incentives. 50:100 anglers will try once.

Vast majority will have tried it once and are not interested in catching 4-6 inch perch. Therefore they own whatever lake some idiot puts them into.

Illegal stockers should lose all their worldly possessions and money and go to jail for the disgraceful wonton act of sabotaging and vandalizing public waters.

[RavYak]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

It is not a question about liking perch it is about managing a fishery responsibly.

Do you like catching only 4-6 inch perch is the question you should be responding to. If you answer is yes then you have many opportunities now without needing more. If you find 4-6 inch perch not worth your time...and rather catch 14-20 inch rainbows...you are SOL in many lakes now.

The government needs to find a way to manage the perch better. Maybe an illegal stocking levy on licenses with money going to netting research. Or maybe a catch and release on browns and stock rainbows larger.

They should start treating these lakes much cheaper then netting research etc. Rotenone isn't cheap but it could be affordable if say they did one lake a year or every couple years. Problem is they have fallen so far behind now they got themselves in a bind with multiple lakes now needing treatment.

Only other solution is to stock predatory fish. Monitoring, netting etc do nothing and just cost money. You know that .

[MrDave]

So I just did some quick math on Strubel lake costs. Since 2009, approximately 158000 trout were stocked. I then multiplied that by $2.50 per fish(based on a local hatchery prices). That came to $395,000 for fish. Only a rough estimate, but wow. Pretty expensive fishery for a pond that repeatedly winter kills.

And that's for a pond most people haven't heard of.

[RavYak]

Originally Posted by MrDave

So I just did some quick math on Strubel lake costs. Since 2009, approximately 158000 trout were stocked. I then multiplied that by $2.50 per fish(based on a local hatchery prices). That came to $395,000 for fish. Only a rough estimate, but wow. Pretty expensive fishery for a pond that repeatedly winter kills.

And that's for a pond most people haven't heard of.

Must not winter kill hard enough to kill off the perch though?

[wags]

Originally Posted by waterninja

I don't mean this as an insult, but what are you blathering on about wb? Even Google has no definition for intraspection. Sloppy colouring?? Please speak English when insulting or being rude to someone on this forum.

I do agree with other posters that once perch are in a trout pond, we should do our best to get rid of them. I guess that makes me a poacher. Again.

I think he means introspection - the examination or observation of one's own mental and emotional processes.

I'm sure you understand a small spelling error

Cheers

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by waterninja

I don't mean this as an insult, but what are you blathering on about wb? Even Google has no definition for intraspection. Sloppy colouring?? Please speak English when insulting or being rude to someone on this forum.

Best quote in this entire thread. Hilarious!
Ninja, that guy owes you an "appoalagy".

[SNAPFisher]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Best quote in this entire thread. Hilarious!
Ninja, that guy owes you an "appoalagy".

[Bigstone]

Rotenone is not even a remote possibility because it would be totally ineffective and impossible to use.

Struble Lake does not winter kill and even if a lake does usually enough perch survive to start over.

Get used to small stunted perch.

The big rainbows mentioned in most cases are the wore out stockers that some people consider fish.

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by wags

I think he means introspection - the examination or observation of one's own mental and emotional processes.

I'm sure you understand a small spelling error

Cheers

It wasn't a spelling error....
Quite the opposite.
Viewing the big picture rather than a selfie.



Intraspection

All of existence happening at once and forever.

[wags]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

It wasn't a spelling error....
Quite the opposite.
Viewing the big picture rather than a selfie.



Intraspection

All of existence happening at once and forever.

My bad. I don't think Intraspection is a word, but all the power to you mate!

Cheers

[MrDave]

Originally Posted by RavYak

Must not winter kill hard enough to kill off the perch though?

Hasn't had a killer winter since it was bucket brigaded.

[Don Andersen]

Originally Posted by wags

5 and 7 pound rainbow out of Cow and 12 pound out of Phyllis. All in the past two seasons.

Not to mention the 20lb pike out of Cow.

If Crimson Lake isn't a fishery, how could it be toast?

Seen perch at Cow once. Stubel produced rainbows at about 5 to 1 rate of Perch.

I like fishing.

Cheers

Brood stock are what you caught in Phyllis and Cow. They are retired from the hatchery. They are not raised to this weight in the lake. Most brood stock die within a short time.

Was out wandering the other day and drive into Beaver lake. Nineteen trucks and cars in the parking lot. Went over to Struble and there was three. Difference - Beaver has some decent fish, 0 limits. Struble has typical 5 limit in trout and 15 on perch. Looks like the public is voting with their feet.


Don

[MrDave]

Originally Posted by Don Andersen

Brood stock are what you caught in Phyllis and Cow. They are retired from the hatchery. They are not raised to this weight in the lake. Most brood stock die within a short time.

Was out wandering the other day and drive into Beaver lake. Nineteen trucks and cars in the parking lot. Went over to Struble and there was three. Difference - Beaver has some decent fish, 0 limits. Struble has typical 5 limit in trout and 15 on perch. Looks like the public is voting with their feet.


Don

Maybe people are not wanting to eat fish that taste like swamp water. I know I'm looking forward to perch fishing with my kid. Another thing, is that a person can't fish from shore on Strubel. **** poor shore line, with no thought of foot access

[SNAPFisher]

Originally Posted by MrDave

Maybe people are not wanting to eat fish that taste like swamp water. I know I'm looking forward to perch fishing with my kid. Another thing, is that a person can't fish from shore on Strubel. **** poor shore line, with no thought of foot access

So what are you advocating for? That it is a good thing that perch were introduced to Strubel?

[MrDave]

Originally Posted by SNAPFisher

So what are you advocating for? That it is a good thing that perch were introduced to Strubel?

I'm saying instead of complaining, enjoy it. The idiots have dumped the perch in, and they aren't magically disappearing, so eat the dang things. Spend a half million dollars on a fishery that ISN'T ever going to be self sustainable is stupidity. Don't you realize that? Not like the trout get to be trophy size.

What's the saying about life giving you lemons? I for one am tired of my money being spent on trout to feed the birds. Can't imagine what the diet of the Pelicans costs us outdoors people.