Walleye draw points

[Waterfowler vmax]

I didn't get any points for my walleye draws yesterday and wasn't awarded and tags either. Also noticed I didn't receive any for my big game draws last year. Any idear why this would be? Thanks

Vmax

[DiabeticKripple]

did you look you your priority history? mine shows an increase after not getting drawn

[Waterfowler vmax]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

did you look you your priority history? mine shows an increase after not getting drawn

Boom there it is. Not too familiar with this whole draw priority things, first year big game hunting and fishing in the province last year. Thanks

Vmax

[Walleye101]

Complete cash grab in my opinion. You pay for the chance to get drawn and then you don't get drawn is frustrating. Same thing happened to me. I can tell you that I wont be wasting money like this ever again. We pay enough damn taxes to this joke government. I have a few Perch lakes that I will thoroughly enjoy limiting out on this season. Fire up the fryer and get the potatoes and onions chopped!

[EZM]

Originally Posted by Walleye101

Complete cash grab in my opinion. You pay for the chance to get drawn and then you don't get drawn is frustrating. Same thing happened to me. I can tell you that I wont be wasting money like this ever again. We pay enough damn taxes to this joke government. I have a few Perch lakes that I will thoroughly enjoy limiting out on this season. Fire up the fryer and get the potatoes and onions chopped!

Yup .... a big $ 3.52 spilt between the group that applies. For the 4 of us - that was almost a whole dollar each !!!!

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by EZM

Yup .... a big $ 3.52 spilt between the group that applies. For the 4 of us - that was almost a whole dollar each !!!!

Yup. I gotta find a couple more guys to split with. Only 2 of us to split this year.
Oh the horror. almost 2 bucks each.

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by Walleye101

Complete cash grab in my opinion. You pay for the chance to get drawn and then you don't get drawn is frustrating. Same thing happened to me. I can tell you that I wont be wasting money like this ever again. We pay enough damn taxes to this joke government. I have a few Perch lakes that I will thoroughly enjoy limiting out on this season. Fire up the fryer and get the potatoes and onions chopped!

Yay, more for us.

And, you do realize this gubmint wasnt the gubmint that started the draw system.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

Yay, more for us.

And, you do realize this gubmint wasnt the gubmint that started the draw system.

and the draw application fee doesn't go to the Government

[Walleye101]

I realize that. But they do have the power to nix this garbage, but they won't because it's easy money.

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by Walleye101

I realize that. But they do have the power to nix this garbage, but they won't because it's easy money.

See post above yours.

He is correct. You are not.

[Wes_G]

Originally Posted by Walleye101

Complete cash grab in my opinion. You pay for the chance to get drawn and then you don't get drawn is frustrating. Same thing happened to me. I can tell you that I wont be wasting money like this ever again. We pay enough damn taxes to this joke government. I have a few Perch lakes that I will thoroughly enjoy limiting out on this season. Fire up the fryer and get the potatoes and onions chopped!

That's why it's called a draw. I don't know of to many draws where every name gets drawn. The whole point of the draw system is to control the harvest so popular lakes do not get over fished, if they just gave tags to everyone who applied, that kind of defeats the purpose. Also see your second last sentence as to why lakes end up having to go to draws in the first place.

[mickeyjim]

If they put the lakes on a draw system because walleye populations were low, would it not make sense to use the money from people entering the draw to stock that lake with walleye? It's even lake specific, so the lakes with the most applicants would get the most fish. Just a thought

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[waterninja]

Originally Posted by mickeyjim

If they put the lakes on a draw system because walleye populations were low, would it not make sense to use the money from people entering the draw to stock that lake with walleye? It's even lake specific, so the lakes with the most applicants would get the most fish. Just a thought

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You poor naive fellow. Suggesting something that is actually reasonable and logical? I predict a life of frustration for you if you don't start thinking like most of the people around you, or just sit back and enjoy the circus. Clear thinking and sound suggestions not welcome in the world we live in.

lol

[Kim473]

What are the points ? I got drawer and still got points.

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by mickeyjim

If they put the lakes on a draw system because walleye populations were low, would it not make sense to use the money from people entering the draw to stock that lake with walleye? It's even lake specific, so the lakes with the most applicants would get the most fish. Just a thought

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Originally Posted by waterninja

You poor naive fellow. Suggesting something that is actually reasonable and logical? I predict a life of frustration for you if you don't start thinking like most of the people around you, or just sit back and enjoy the circus. Clear thinking and sound suggestions not welcome in the world we live in.

lol

Lakes are not put on draw system because walleye populations are low. They are put on to manage what is taken out.

Why would they stock a lake they are already managing? Already has plenty of walleye and likely very good recruitment.

The money for entering the Draw goes to the service provider, Government doesnt get it. Money, if any from actual licence would be far short of what is needed.
Wouldnt money be better spent on a water body that actually needed it?

Waterninja you poor naive fellow, suggesting something that is neither reasonable or logical. I wont comment on the clear thinking and sound suggestions. And I will leave it at that.

[SNAPFisher]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

Yay, more for us.

x2

Boy the misinformation on the draw system sure gets old. Good job on the providing the info gents

[yetiseeker]

Does anyone understand the points and how they factor into odds of getting drawn?

After reading the replies on this thread - I'm still confused. Like many threads, this one seems to have gotten derailed.

Can someone explain the system??? Here's hoping to understand better........

[RayL42]

http://mywildalberta.com/fishing/wal...ry-Jul2016.pdf

The link above is the draw 2016 summary report, which indicates the percentage of each priority got drawn for each draw code.

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by RayL42

http://mywildalberta.com/fishing/wal...ry-Jul2016.pdf

The link above is the draw 2016 summary report, which indicates the percentage of each priority got drawn for each draw code.

Good post RayL42.

http://www.albertaregulations.ca/

Look at walleye draw brochure. Under Draw Priority pretty much explains it.
Basically go up one every year not drawn. Get drawn and start at 0 again.

[idaman]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

Good post RayL42.

http://www.albertaregulations.ca/

Look at walleye draw brochure. Under Draw Priority pretty much explains it.
Basically go up one every year not drawn. Get drawn and start at 0 again.

I've never been above a priority 0 and been drawn every single year, except last because I didn't bother to put in.

[mickeyjim]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

Lakes are not put on draw system because walleye populations are low. They are put on to manage what is taken out.

Why would they stock a lake they are already managing? Already has plenty of walleye and likely very good recruitment.

The money for entering the Draw goes to the service provider, Government doesnt get it. Money, if any from actual licence would be far short of what is needed.
Wouldnt money be better spent on a water body that actually needed it?

Waterninja you poor naive fellow, suggesting something that is neither reasonable or logical. I wont comment on the clear thinking and sound suggestions. And I will leave it at that.

Why is Alberta the only place in North America to do this?

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[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by mickeyjim

Why is Alberta the only place in North America to do this?

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Why do we have draws for hunting? To manage the resource. Same for fishing.

Another management tool.

Why is Alberta the Only place that doesnt have a lot of water?

[mickeyjim]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

Why do we have draws for hunting? To manage the resource. Same for fishing.

Another management tool.

Why is Alberta the Only place that doesnt have a lot of water?

https://gfapps.nd.gov/reports/fisher...ajorWaters.pdf

http://gfp.sd.gov/fishing-boating/ta...kingReport.pdf

http://fwp.mt.gov/fip/plants/plant_input.action

Guess we aren't the only place....

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by mickeyjim

https://gfapps.nd.gov/reports/fisher...ajorWaters.pdf

http://gfp.sd.gov/fishing-boating/ta...kingReport.pdf

http://fwp.mt.gov/fip/plants/plant_input.action

Guess we aren't the only place....

Do they use draw system too?

[yetiseeker]

Thanks fellas - I think I'm starting to wrap my head around this whole thing.....

Here's what I understand - or think I understand at least;

Each year that we purchase a draw, we are allocated one point for each class if not drawn. Once drawn, the points automatically reset to zero priority.

Getting drawn for a lake will depend upon two factors - first, our individual priority as compared with other anglers submitting for the same lake. Second, the number of anglers who have entered the draw, and really compete against those applicants based on each persons draw priority. If I'm going up against people with a higher priority than me, I lose out. Now, if there are still tags available when those having higher priority than me have been filled, then I compete with people who have the same priority and essentially go into a pool and get drawn based on luck - again odds dependent upon number of applicants and tags remaining to be issued.

If we enter a group, then the tags are drawn based on the lowest persons priority listing. In this scenario, it's more likely that you lose in the lottery, but is cheaper to enter. With this said, if you want to gain priority ranking, this would be the cheapest way to do so.

From what RayL42 posted - the 2016 draw results, I see that people having priority of 4 or above almost are a shoe in to get drawn. I also see that almost everyone that had a priority of 2 or greater, had a 100% chance of being drawn. That tells me that it may not be the best decision to hold priorities as when drawn for that class, it automatically resets to zero. Better to use them when a 3 priority for sure, and most likely when you have a 2 listing.

So - that's how I've made sense of it all.

Anyone disagree with the above, or have insights to better educate me - appreciated?

Thanks

[mickeyjim]

Originally Posted by huntsfurfish

Do they use draw system too?

Highly doubt it

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[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by yetiseeker

Thanks fellas - I think I'm starting to wrap my head around this whole thing.....

Here's what I understand - or think I understand at least;

Each year that we purchase a draw, we are allocated one point for each class if not drawn. Once drawn, the points automatically reset to zero priority.

Getting drawn for a lake will depend upon two factors - first, our individual priority as compared with other anglers submitting for the same lake. Second, the number of anglers who have entered the draw, and really compete against those applicants based on each persons draw priority. If I'm going up against people with a higher priority than me, I lose out. Now, if there are still tags available when those having higher priority than me have been filled, then I compete with people who have the same priority and essentially go into a pool and get drawn based on luck - again odds dependent upon number of applicants and tags remaining to be issued.

If we enter a group, then the tags are drawn based on the lowest persons priority listing. In this scenario, it's more likely that you lose in the lottery, but is cheaper to enter. With this said, if you want to gain priority ranking, this would be the cheapest way to do so.

From what RayL42 posted - the 2016 draw results, I see that people having priority of 4 or above almost are a shoe in to get drawn. I also see that almost everyone that had a priority of 2 or greater, had a 100% chance of being drawn. That tells me that it may not be the best decision to hold priorities as when drawn for that class, it automatically resets to zero. Better to use them when a 3 priority for sure, and most likely when you have a 2 listing.

So - that's how I've made sense of it all.

Anyone disagree with the above, or have insights to better educate me - appreciated?

Thanks

Sounds like you nailed it.

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by mickeyjim

Highly doubt it

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K, So what was your point with the pdfs?

[mickeyjim]

They are fish stocking reports from comparable geographic regions in the States

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[genno]

Originally Posted by yetiseeker

Thanks fellas - I think I'm starting to wrap my head around this whole thing.....



Here's what I understand - or think I understand at least;



Each year that we purchase a draw, we are allocated one point for each class if not drawn. Once drawn, the points automatically reset to zero priority.



Getting drawn for a lake will depend upon two factors - first, our individual priority as compared with other anglers submitting for the same lake. Second, the number of anglers who have entered the draw, and really compete against those applicants based on each persons draw priority. If I'm going up against people with a higher priority than me, I lose out. Now, if there are still tags available when those having higher priority than me have been filled, then I compete with people who have the same priority and essentially go into a pool and get drawn based on luck - again odds dependent upon number of applicants and tags remaining to be issued.



If we enter a group, then the tags are drawn based on the lowest persons priority listing. In this scenario, it's more likely that you lose in the lottery, but is cheaper to enter. With this said, if you want to gain priority ranking, this would be the cheapest way to do so.



From what RayL42 posted - the 2016 draw results, I see that people having priority of 4 or above almost are a shoe in to get drawn. I also see that almost everyone that had a priority of 2 or greater, had a 100% chance of being drawn. That tells me that it may not be the best decision to hold priorities as when drawn for that class, it automatically resets to zero. Better to use them when a 3 priority for sure, and most likely when you have a 2 listing.



So - that's how I've made sense of it all.



Anyone disagree with the above, or have insights to better educate me - appreciated?



Thanks

I had 0 priority and still got gull class A tags as well as my spouse so who knows maybe it's just luck or how close you live to the lake.


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