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Time to fashion 2200 tin foil hats for the 2200 architects and engineers who have "evidence" that this was a controlled implosion to take down these buildings.

Unfortunately there is actually ZERO evidence in the enclosed video. NONE.

But they sure do mention "evidence" quite a bit.

40 minutes of paranoid conspiracy theory and complete conjecture.

Sorry - complete and utter nonsense.
Yup.

Click bait being sent back to an old video from 2014. These guys make stuff up and sheeple just gobble it up because some bizarre conspiracy that 9/11 was a US job and all shootings are staged just keep the gullible clicking.

Here is a contrary factual response.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/tec...a3524/4278874/



The following will help those that are believing in the comedy video posted.

World Trade Center 7 Report Puts 9/11 Conspiracy Theory to Rest


Conspiracy theorists have long claimed that explosives downed World Trade Center 7, north of the Twin Towers. The long-awaited report from the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) conclusively rebuts those claims. Fire alone brought down the building, the report concludes, pointing to thermal expansion of key structural members as the culprit. The report also raises concerns that other large buildings might be more vulnerable to fire-induced structural failure than previously thought.


By Arianne Cohen
Jul 31, 2017

World Trade Center 7 stands amid the rubble of the recently collapsed Twin Towers. (Photograph by New York Office of Emergency Management)


The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has released its long-awaited report on the collapse of World Trade 7 following the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. "Our take-home message today is that the reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery," NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder told journalists at this morning's press conference in Gaithersburg, Md. "WTC 7 collapsed because of fires fueled by office furnishings. It did not collapse from explosives or from diesel fuel fires."

Conspiracy theorists have long pointed to the collapse of the 47-story structure as key evidence that the U.S. government orchestrated or abetted the 9/11 attacks. No planes struck the building, and the commonly available views of the exterior didn't show significant damage. Yet, at 5:20 pm, 7 hours after the collapse of the Twin Towers (WTC 1 and 2), WTC 7 rapidly fell in on itself. Since WTC 7 housed Secret Service and CIA offices, conspiracy theorists claimed that the building was destroyed in a controlled demolition in order to obliterate evidence of the U.S. government's complicity in the terrorist attacks. "It is impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved," stated actress and TV personality Rosie O'Donnell of ABC's The View in March 2007. "For the first time in history, steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible," she said.

Today's report confirms that a fire was, indeed, the cause. "This is the first time that we are aware of, that a building taller than about 15 stories has collapsed primarily due to fires," Sunder told reporters at the press conference. "What we found was that uncontrolled building fires--similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings--caused an extraordinary event, the collapse of WTC7." The unprecedented nature of the event means that understanding the precise mechanism of the collapse is important not just to answer conspiracy theorists' questions, but to improve safety standards in the engineering of large buildings.


The final report describes how debris from the collapse of WTC 1 ignited fires on at least 10 floors of WTC 7 at the western half of the south face. Fires on Floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 burned out of control, because the water supply to the automatic sprinkler system had failed. The primary and backup water supply to the sprinkler systems for the lower floors relied on the city's water supply. Those water lines were damaged by the collapse of WTC 1 and 2. These uncontrolled fires in WTC 7 eventually spread to the northeast part of the building, where the collapse began.

After 7 hours of uncontrolled fires, a steel girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to one of the 81 columns supporting the building. Floor 13 collapsed, beginning a cascade of floor failures to Floor 5. Column 79, no longer supported by a girder, buckled, triggering a rapid succession of structural failures that moved from east to west. All 23 central columns, followed by the exterior columns, failed in what's known as a "progressive collapse"--that is, local damage that spreads from one structural element to another, eventually resulting in the collapse of the entire structure.

The report clarifies a number of widely debated issues concerning the collapse, particularly the role of the building's many diesel fuel tanks and the importance of structural damage from falling WTC 1 debris. Both of those factors have been cited by investigators as possibly contributing to the collapse; the 2006 Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts mentions both hypotheses. However, the final NIST report downplays both scenarios, concluding that the diesel fuel stored in tanks (and intended to power backup generators) did not burn long enough or hot enough to account for structural failures. And, while debris damage to WTC 7's southern exterior was considerable (and initiated the destructive fires), the collapse originated in the northeast portion of the building. In fact, the report concludes: "Even without the structural damage, WTC 7 would have collapsed from fires."

The report determines that the actual culprit in the collapse was the combustion of ordinary building furnishings: "These uncontrolled fires had characteristics similar to those that have occurred previously in tall buildings." If the sprinkler system in WTC 7 had been working, it is likely that "the fires in WTC 7 would have been controlled and the collapse prevented." The report also suggests that current engineering standards for coping with fire-induced thermal expansion need to be re-examined, particularly for buildings like WTC 7 that have long, unsupported floor spans. A key factor in the collapse, NIST concluded, was the failure of structural "connections that were designed to resist gravity loads, but not thermally induced lateral loads." According to Sunder: "For the first time we have shown that fire can induce a progressive collapse."





Spurred by conspiracy theorists' questions, investigators did look specifically at the possibility that explosives were involved. "Hypothetical blast events did not play a role in the collapse of WTC 7," the report states, adding that investigators "found no evidence whose explanation required invocation of a blast event." Moreover, the smallest charge capable of initiating column failure "would have resulted in a sound level of 130 dB [decibels] to 140 dB at a distance of at least half a mile." Witnesses did not report hearing such a loud noise, nor is one audible on recordings of the collapse.

NIST's press release and other material on the report can be found here. Click here to download the full report in pdf form.
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Old 03-19-2018, 12:48 PM
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Not to that extent...



Interestingly, Bin Laden was never on the FBI's most wanted list for 9/11. Yes, it triggered the invasion of Afghanistan, and Iraq, and Syria based on the war on terror. Is Bin Laden dead? Other reports suggest he died of kidney failure. What's funnier, all the pictures made public of Bin Laden weren't the same person, seems like he tended to get younger.



Don't you find it funny that they found hardly anything of the planes, but yet, found passports intact? And oddly enough, some of the named pilots were found alive and well?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm



Speculation becoming facts, and that's what the average person remembers... None of the U.S. government's indictments against Osama bin Laden suggested that he had any connection with this 1993 bombing.



And I'm sorry, but for anyone that still believes the pentagon was hit by a 737...? Likely the most heavily surveilled building in the world, and all they produced was crappy frames from the guard house. Mathematically, it's not possible.
Yep. All of this.
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Old 03-19-2018, 01:03 PM
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Yep. All of this.
High temps melted most sandwiched in the building not to mentioned parts that were thrown clear like this part found well after the fact.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...buildings.html

Oh wait. The FBI planted it there. Sorry.
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High temps melted most sandwiched in the building not to mentioned parts that were thrown clear like this part found well after the fact.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...buildings.html

Oh wait. The FBI planted it there. Sorry.
Watch the videos of the buildings coming down again. I'm not an engineer, but it's not hard to tell that the buildings came apart. That's not a pancake effect.

And I ask again - just like all the news asked the following day - where did all the rubble go? 220 floors of steel, concrete, aluminum, furniture just in WTC1 and 2?

There should have been over 1 million tonnes of rubble on the ground - just from WTC 1 and 2.

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Old 03-19-2018, 02:22 PM
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Watch the videos of the buildings coming down again. I'm not an engineer, but it's not hard to tell that the buildings came apart. That's not a pancake effect.

And I ask again - just like all the news asked the following day - where did all the rubble go? 220 floors of steel, concrete, aluminum, furniture just in WTC1 and 2?

There should have been over 1 million tonnes of rubble on the ground - just from WTC 1 and 2.
It was all there, dispersed over a large area. The videos don’t lie. It’s hard evidence of what happens.
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Some people can be convinced that the most bizarre explanation is the most correct. It was not a 737 that was aimed at the Pentagon.....it was a 757 and the thought that the Pentagon isn't vulnerable to an attack is laughable. Is there a force field around it lol? Tell us what countermeasures were in place to thwart an attack from an unsuspecting commercial airliner that deviated from it's flight plan, turned off it's transponder and was otherwise unidentifiable, flying at high speed and low altitude until it flew into the pentagon? The pax that died aren't real? The 757 wasn't real? The families of the victims aren't real? All made up? Of course this will be all explained by the conspiracy guys. Isn't there a dark web where you guys can discuss this stuff in secret?
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It was all there, dispersed over a large area. The videos don’t lie. It’s hard evidence of what happens.
Go back and re-examine the evidence... This is what is lacking, so much has come out since 9/11, but people refuse to look at any data, any evidence. They want to be stuck on that day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXG6bDh632o

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"The question is, where is all the rubble? It seems so flattened, how can so much steel and concrete just vaporize. Did it all turn to dust?"
7 buildings destroyed that day, the entire complex. People thought it had to be underground, but it wasn't. Where was it?
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Some people can be convinced that the most bizarre explanation is the most correct. It was not a 737 that was aimed at the Pentagon.....it was a 757 and the thought that the Pentagon isn't vulnerable to an attack is laughable. Is there a force field around it lol? Tell us what countermeasures were in place to thwart an attack from an unsuspecting commercial airliner that deviated from it's flight plan, turned off it's transponder and was otherwise unidentifiable, flying at high speed and low altitude until it flew into the pentagon? The pax that died aren't real? The 757 wasn't real? The families of the victims aren't real? All made up? Of course this will be all explained by the conspiracy guys. Isn't there a dark web where you guys can discuss this stuff in secret?
Fire fighters are putting out the fire... Where is the plane? Did they remove it before the firefighters showed up? Has a plane ever vaporized before? The wings wouldn't have made it through the hole. Put away conspiracy theories, look at the evidence and come to your own conclusions.

How many cameras do you think surround the pentagon? Just one video would be so nice.
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Fire fighters are putting out the fire... Where is the plane? Did they remove it before the firefighters showed up? Has a plane ever vaporized before? The wings wouldn't have made it through the hole. Put away conspiracy theories, look at the evidence and come to your own conclusions.
Because slamming a tin can into a wall at 500 mph leaves the can intact rather than shredded? Is that what you're saying?
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Watch the videos of the buildings coming down again. I'm not an engineer, but it's not hard to tell that the buildings came apart. That's not a pancake effect.

And I ask again - just like all the news asked the following day - where did all the rubble go? 220 floors of steel, concrete, aluminum, furniture just in WTC1 and 2?

There should have been over 1 million tonnes of rubble on the ground - just from WTC 1 and 2.
Ok then.

http://edition.cnn.com/2002/US/05/30/rec.wtc.cleanup/

1.8 million tons of debris removed
(108,342 truckloads)
3.1 million hours of labor spent on cleanup
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Fire fighters are putting out the fire... Where is the plane? Did they remove it before the firefighters showed up? Has a plane ever vaporized before? The wings wouldn't have made it through the hole. Put away conspiracy theories, look at the evidence and come to your own conclusions.

How many cameras do you think surround the pentagon? Just one video would be so nice.
Please tell me you are trolling and laughing that people believe this conspiracy stuff cause what you are peddling...no one in their right mind should be buying.

This whole bizarre story scenario makes more sense than the engineering reports is crazy.

That all the media is in on it and only these obscure bloggers know the truth is disturbing.

That there could be any reason to bomb and kill your own citizens when the US flies cruise missiles into any country they have wanted to date is ludicrous.

That some guy making up stories in his mind and then creating a click bait site and talk show circuit income is somehow a savior of the truth is very odd indeed.

When all you look to is conspiracy sites and believe all other sites are lies...you are either in a cult or a gullible teenager that hasn't learned about life yet. Please...tell us you are kidding and I will laugh with you for sure.
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Got a PM earlier from one of the higher ups talking about this thread with a gentle warning.


My question is, why was it allowed to run for 2 days if it's not allowed on the board.


I'm out.
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Fire fighters are putting out the fire... Where is the plane? Did they remove it before the firefighters showed up? Has a plane ever vaporized before? The wings wouldn't have made it through the hole. Put away conspiracy theories, look at the evidence and come to your own conclusions.

How many cameras do you think surround the pentagon? Just one video would be so nice.
The plane is aluminium. Aluminium melts easily and if you crushed all that melted aluminium there wouldn't be much. Easy to understand the plane disintegrating.
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We aren't allowed to talk about this stuff on AO?

Maybe the guys running the show here were in on it....
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Got a PM earlier from one of the higher ups talking about this thread with a gentle warning.


My question is, why was it allowed to run for 2 days if it's not allowed on the board.


I'm out.
Likely because spreading potentially caustic false theories as real is part of the whole fake information problem on the web.

Sadly lots of people believe what they read as fact and compare non credible against credible with no filters.

If you placed as much effort finding credible sources on both sides you would realize all the facts are their to prove what the world saw live on TV. Planes crashed. People died. Buildings collapsed.
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I kinda like the tube vid on what is purportedly NBC cameras about the city. I can't see what caused the explosion at around 2:06.

I don't know if it's fake, but looks live. Must be tonnes of dust pushing away from center, would explain the volume issue re rubble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wF74zTLjNg

edit to add: Just noticed in this video when going into viewer settings, set speed to .25 an then see an object enter the top right side of screen at about 1:52 and drop down to the second building area.
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Maybe the guys running the show here were in on it....
Just SNS2, his career as an educator is excellent cover for his real job
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