Parks Canada Paying NZ sharpshooters to kill deer....

[LeonH]

I have just read like 2 or 3 days ago an article that the helicopter wolf eradication in BC had cost $10 million to kill 1944 animals. Almost $6K in costs per animal and program will run until at least 2026.

I just can’t remember how many years it took them to kill 1944. But I think it suggested something like 1.5 million a year budget, therefore most likely it took them 6-7 years so far.

[southernman]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Especially considering that the live weight of most fallow deer is less than 100kg.

In my experience more like 50kg, bucks can get to about 120kg,

[edmsmith]

Originally Posted by fishnguy

Quite the contrary, actually. It would be ridiculous is they were spraying the ground trying to shoot a deer. They are quite good at what they do. Find some videos on youtube of these (or similar) fellas culling pigs and other animals and you would be quite surprised how effective they are and how many they can kill with one of those mags. If I recall correctly, some pig videos were posted here not long ago, but can’t remember the thread.

This is not to say that what took place is the right way to go about it, but to assume that there are donkeys with ar rifles spraying the ground and animals with bullets is not correct.

I don't care rhat much to find the article but those In charge of the cull mentioned the guys in helicopters would pepper the deer with bullets from above. Every article that comes out contradicts the next....

[Coiloil37]

Originally Posted by edmsmith

I don't care rhat much to find the article but those In charge of the cull mentioned the guys in helicopters would pepper the deer with bullets from above. Every article that comes out contradicts the next....

Haven’t seen the “article” but it reminded me of this.

If you do not read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read the newspapers you are misinformed”. Mark Twain


Anyway, here’s the link I posted that fishnguy is referring to.

https://youtu.be/ek5IzUgl_Ac?si=ASNBNBLGSXInV734


My guess is they outsourced the shooters because they needed guys who knew what they were doing. Beyond that I have no dog in the fight and don’t care what they’re doing or did.

[walking buffalo]

Originally Posted by Coiloil37

Haven’t seen the “article” but it reminded me of this.

If you do not read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read the newspapers you are misinformed”. Mark Twain


Anyway, here’s the link I posted that fishnguy is referring to.

https://youtu.be/ek5IzUgl_Ac?si=ASNBNBLGSXInV734


My guess is they outsourced the shooters because they needed guys who knew what they were doing. Beyond that I have no dog in the fight and don’t care what they’re doing or did.

There are over a hundred thousand such guys that are B.C. citizens.


National Parks decided to use a helicopter, not because they needed to but because they wanted to.
They created a ridiculously expensive project where it was not required.
Without question Parks did not want to use citizen hunters, not because they couldn't do the job, but because they did not want to have "Hunters" gain any accolades.

Beside the wonderful price per pound of meat retrieved, there must be an even greater amount of meat that was wasted.
To only salvage an average of 20 pounds of meat off each animal shows Parks allowed most edible meat to be spoiled.
"Hunters" would get fined for doing this.

[fordtruckin]

Originally Posted by edmsmith

I don't care rhat much to find the article but those In charge of the cull mentioned the guys in helicopters would pepper the deer with bullets from above. Every article that comes out contradicts the next....

From my experience, none of the articles will be accurate. They make assumptions or accusations without any facts. The days of verifying your facts before printing are gone. It’s all about being the first news outlet to get the story out. I’m basing this off of multiple wildlife investigations ive been involved with and know the facts well. None of the reporters got it exactly right and none bothered to correct their errors.

Originally Posted by Coiloil37

Haven’t seen the “article” but it reminded me of this.

If you do not read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read the newspapers you are misinformed”. Mark Twain


Anyway, here’s the link I posted that fishnguy is referring to.

https://youtu.be/ek5IzUgl_Ac?si=ASNBNBLGSXInV734


My guess is they outsourced the shooters because they needed guys who knew what they were doing. Beyond that I have no dog in the fight and don’t care what they’re doing or did.

There’s something about New Zealand air crews that are very popular for wildlife work. Dunno what it is but you see them a lot for culling and capture operations all over the world. Might just be they’re specialists where Canada doesn’t have any quite like what they’re looking for. Who knows.

[Coiloil37]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

There are over a hundred thousand such guys that are B.C. citizens.


National Parks decided to use a helicopter, not because they needed to but because they wanted to.
They created a ridiculously expensive project where it was not required.
Without question Parks did not want to use citizen hunters, not because they couldn't do the job, but because they did not want to have "Hunters" gain any accolades.

Beside the wonderful price per pound of meat retrieved, there must be an even greater amount of meat that was wasted.
To only salvage an average of 20 pounds of meat off each animal shows Parks allowed most edible meat to be spoiled.
"Hunters" would get fined for doing this.

I think you probably missed the point of a cull which is odd for you. Also consider the optics if they let the usual ground crew of “hunters” into a park to shoot some feral deer. Try and think like some mid to upper level bureaucratic managers while your doing it. I also highly doubt the amount of meat salvaged was anywhere near a priority. I’m also not surprised it cost a fortune and had very little return on “investment”. I honestly can’t remember any gov funded project that wasn’t a colossal waste of money.

When I mentioned “knew what they were doing” I meant aerial shooting which is relatively specialised and I don’t know of any CND domestic crews who would be good at it.

[Coiloil37]

Originally Posted by fordtruckin

From my experience, none of the articles will be accurate. They make assumptions or accusations without any facts. The days of verifying your facts before printing are gone. It’s all about being the first news outlet to get the story out. I’m basing this off of multiple wildlife investigations ive been involved with and know the facts well. None of the reporters got it exactly right and none bothered to correct their errors.




There’s something about New Zealand air crews that are very popular for wildlife work. Dunno what it is but you see them a lot for culling and capture operations all over the world. Might just be they’re specialists where Canada doesn’t have any quite like what they’re looking for. Who knows.

The aussies and kiwis have a lot of experience in those areas. A lot of farmers with a bit of land and cattle have a chopper and both muster and shoot from it. If they don’t they’ll hire contractors to do the work as seen in that video I posted.

[saskbooknut]

Haida Gwaii deer cull, a few years ago

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...-sharpshooters

Parks Canada has a history with NZ deer cullers

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by saskbooknut

Haida Gwaii deer cull, a few years ago

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...-sharpshooters

Parks Canada has a history with NZ deer cullers

I remember that article, come to think of it!
Cat

[H380]

Originally Posted by LeonH

I have just read like 2 or 3 days ago an article that the helicopter wolf eradication in BC had cost $10 million to kill 1944 animals. Almost $6K in costs per animal and program will run until at least 2026.



I just can’t remember how many years it took them to kill 1944. But I think it suggested something like 1.5 million a year budget, therefore most likely it took them 6-7 years so far.

Another govt scew up, a bio involved in this hunt said that the FN people had agreed to salvage wolves taken ..guess how many they picked up ? Zero, not a big surprise .

As for permission and the fiasco of this deer hunt ,we currently have the same problem here in southern Alberta where whitetail deer cull hunts have and are taking place ..lots of deer in the populated areas and very little permission granted yet these same people complain abiut deer issues. No it isnt safe to even bowhunt in many spots here ,but there are enough areas where bait stations and blinds could be set up to do some good and at least knock the numbers back .

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[tim the toolman]

Why don’t they transplant a couple of the best deer hunters there is

Cougars

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by tim the toolman

Why don’t they transplant a couple of the best deer hunters there is

Cougars

The you end up with a cat problem in the end!
Cat

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

The you end up with a cat problem in the end!
Cat

Yeah but it would be a fun way to get the anti hunters there crying

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

Yeah but it would be a fun way to get the anti hunters there crying

Karen: "Officer a big bad cat ate my poor little FiFi!"
Local LEO " I hate to say " I told ya so, BUT......"
Cat

[tim the toolman]

2 collared females
Transplant somewhere else when job is done

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

Karen: "Officer a big bad cat ate my poor little FiFi!"
Local LEO " I hate to say " I told ya so, BUT......"
Cat

I used to tell the anti grizzly hunters from Vancouver we should reintroduce grizzly into Stanley park so they could flourish throughout their historical range so everyone could enjoy them

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

I used to tell the anti grizzly hunters from Vancouver we should reintroduce grizzly into Stanley park so they could flourish throughout their historical range so everyone could enjoy them

I used to tell them that the lower Fraser Valley used to be the most bio diverse area in BC with a high Grizzly population and Vancouver should be removed from the landscape because concrete isn't native to BC.

[acumark]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

800 kg of meat salvaged from 84 deer....

$1000 a kilogram for this treat.

The price was actually 10,000.00 per animal plus additional costs still waiting for the total!

[Sundog57]

Where the folks in BC are so wound up about cuddly Grizzlies and bad hunters maybe they should have just trapped, collared and dropped off a half dozen or so
Would have cleaned up the deer problem and the cat, dog, children and any stray meth head problems as well and pretty quick.

[Samik]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

Yeah you clearly are not familiar with how hippie that part of B.C. is

There are a number of islands where fallow or blacktail or both are in high numbers to the point they are a pest. They are legal to hunt but your odds of being granted permission to hunt is basically not impossible. Years ago B.C. made fallow no closed season and no bag limit because they are invasive but do to the access issues that doesn’t do anything. They have even expanded their range over this time period

Part of the island’s are also no hunting.

Over 20years ago there was a draw for fallow/blacktail on Sidney spit but it was shut down.

The opposition to hunting is pretty high

100%. I just moved to Alberta from BC. the local "Green Taliban" wants nothing to do with hunters. Getting permission and dealing with the various "Conservation" groups is near impossible. Tried a couple trips down there in the "no-single projectile" zones a few years back and it was a **** show. Random hippies showing up on crown land beaches banging drums and threating to call the police... not worth the time/money.