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05-26-2020, 10:59 AM
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RCMP firearm ban announcement letter
I have officially been notified by mail of the ban, the wording for the Indigenous persons exemption has been changed the way I read it anybody can still use them for hunting as long as you eat it.
**Exceptions are included under the Amnesty Order to allow for the continued use of the newly-prohibited firearms and/or devices (if previously non-restricted) by individuals who hunt or trap to sustain themselves or their families, and by Indigenous persons exercising Aboriginal or treaty rights to hunt. At the end of the amnesty period, all firearm owners must comply with the new law.
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05-26-2020, 11:11 AM
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Where does it say you need to eat what you shoot with a "banned" firearm?
Shooting coyotes is part of sustaining myself with deer and grouse.
It is mandatory for an ethical hunter to sight in and practice with their firearms.
And the mess gets dirtier....
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05-26-2020, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by bat119
I have officially been notified by mail of the ban, the wording for the Indigenous persons exemption has been changed the way I read it anybody can still use them for hunting as long as you eat it.
**Exceptions are included under the Amnesty Order to allow for the continued use of the newly-prohibited firearms and/or devices (if previously non-restricted) by individuals who hunt or trap to sustain themselves or their families, and by Indigenous persons exercising Aboriginal or treaty rights to hunt. At the end of the amnesty period, all firearm owners must comply with the new law.
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I wonder if you need those sustain license though?
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05-26-2020, 11:22 AM
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I sustain my family with hunted meat... I don’t buy beef. Hmmm
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05-26-2020, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by calgarychef
I sustain my family with hunted meat... I don’t buy beef. Hmmm
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Agreed. I do the same. my kids haven't eaten beef in years. Its all deer and elk.
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05-26-2020, 12:37 PM
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Seems like they are trying to change the rules on the fly because of the pending lawsuits. As usual it becomes a quagmire to navigate in an attempt to follow the rules.
Who doesn't follow the rules? That's right, criminals who will continue to ignore new laws and the existing laws we already have.
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05-26-2020, 12:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bat119
I have officially been notified by mail of the ban...
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Wait, what? What to you mean you have been officially notified? Like you received a registered letter?
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05-26-2020, 01:07 PM
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If this was a non restricted firearm, how were they did they know to notify you unless they had a copy of the registry data? Or is this a blanket letter being sent to all PAL holders?
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05-26-2020, 01:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ghostguy6
If this was a non restricted firearm, how were they did they know to notify you unless they had a copy of the registry data? Or is this a blanket letter being sent to all PAL holders?
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A blanket letter by regular mail
"As a holder of a valid firearms license, you are being contacted by the Canadian firearms program as you may be in possession of one of these firearms"
In an official scary brown envelope
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05-26-2020, 01:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fur
I wonder if you need those sustain license though?
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That is how I read it too. How many Albertans would be in that boat..... I have never met one.
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05-26-2020, 01:37 PM
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....and now to calculate how much it cost to send out this letter to every PAL holder...
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05-26-2020, 01:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stinky Buffalo
....and now to calculate how much it cost to send out this letter to every PAL holder...
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Don't remind me...
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05-26-2020, 02:01 PM
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Anyone else get theirs yet? It wasn't in my mailbox today.
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05-26-2020, 02:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by guysmiley
Seems like they are trying to change the rules on the fly because of the pending lawsuits. As usual it becomes a quagmire to navigate in an attempt to follow the rules.
Who doesn't follow the rules? That's right, criminals who will continue to ignore new laws and the existing laws we already have.
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That’s right. Criminals don’t care if its black or white or grey area. Don’t matter to them. Only law abiding citizens will be left to worry about wording and interpretation of the law as enforced by officers in the field. ...
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05-26-2020, 02:48 PM
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So does this mean 12g semi autos with chokes are now allowed for waterfowl hunting as long as we eat them?
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05-26-2020, 03:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lead chucker
So does this mean 12g semi autos with chokes are now allowed for waterfowl hunting as long as we eat them?
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If you trust the measurements standards that the CFP uses, then 12ga shotguns aren’t prohibited as the choke isn’t considered when measuring bore
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05-26-2020, 03:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lead chucker
So does this mean 12g semi autos with chokes are now allowed for waterfowl hunting as long as we eat them?
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Are you indigenous?
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05-26-2020, 03:46 PM
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No
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05-26-2020, 04:25 PM
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I just finished doing a thorough background check on the government.
I do not trust them and will not be turning my guns over to them.
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05-26-2020, 05:06 PM
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Last edited by crosman177; 05-26-2020 at 05:12 PM.
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05-26-2020, 05:33 PM
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Got mine today too, wife didn't get hers though. She has a license but doesn't really own any firearms - except mine!
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05-26-2020, 06:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Talking moose
I just finished doing a thorough background check on the government.
I do not trust them and will not be turning my guns over to them.
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Careful- that is a quote off facebook, and the mere mention of FB triggers some of the angrier members of the board. Uh-oh, I said it..... 
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05-26-2020, 07:53 PM
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Wait till we get letters from our city councilman saying to get rid of pistols or move out of town.
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05-26-2020, 08:13 PM
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I"m in the habit of taking anything from the government that I don't like and writing 'refused' across all the faces of the pages, taking photocopies, stuffing the letter back into the envelope, taping it back shut, taking it back to the post office, and getting the nice lady to stamp it as refused, and making notes on that the entire process, and keeping that in a file.
Doing so has saved my butt a few times.
If I get such a letter, I'll be doing the same again. I'll also prepare a counter notice that I'm not complying. That'll go to the Privy Council with a CC to the RCMP.
FYI, they're running the entire country on doctrine of notice. It's the only way they can do what they're doing without a properly constituted government.
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05-26-2020, 08:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by amosfella
I"m in the habit of taking anything from the government that I don't like and writing 'refused' across all the faces of the pages, taking photocopies, stuffing the letter back into the envelope, taping it back shut, taking it back to the post office, and getting the nice lady to stamp it as refused, and making notes on that the entire process, and keeping that in a file.
Doing so has saved my butt a few times.
If I get such a letter, I'll be doing the same again. I'll also prepare a counter notice that I'm not complying. That'll go to the Privy Council with a CC to the RCMP.
FYI, they're running the entire country on doctrine of notice. It's the only way they can do what they're doing without a properly constituted government.
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I'd like to hear more about this.
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05-26-2020, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Xiph0id
I'd like to hear more about this.
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send me a pm if you want. It's a huge subject I find.
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05-26-2020, 09:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by whiteout
If you trust the measurements standards that the CFP uses, then 12ga shotguns aren’t prohibited as the choke isn’t considered when measuring bore
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https://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications...F7W6v0vMsBd_bo
Read the definition of bore. My understanding is the muzzle does NOT include the choke, and if you remove the choke, that is definitely true. Please note, this is from a government website, NOT some random site.
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05-26-2020, 09:40 PM
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My deceased son got one yesterday. My daughter and i havent got none yet.
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05-26-2020, 10:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Talking moose
I just finished doing a thorough background check on the government.
I do not trust them and will not be turning my guns over to them.
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Like! 
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05-26-2020, 10:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Iron Brew
https://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications...F7W6v0vMsBd_bo
Read the definition of bore. My understanding is the muzzle does NOT include the choke, and if you remove the choke, that is definitely true. Please note, this is from a government website, NOT some random site.
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I guess the question is then, between the CFP and their measurement methods and a CBSA memorandum, which is the one that actually applies. It certainly seems like the CBSA has made their own definition that ignores the method the CFP uses
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