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If you listen carefully you can hear the lefty head exploding in the distance ..poof .. pop.. zing. Lol.

I wonder how many gun channels that were de platformed and conservative news blog channels will be getting ready to sue google YouTube when this is all said and done?
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So different than Trudeau, our PM is trying to do the opposite.
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Zuckerberg is curled up in a ball, tears a flowing and sucking his thumb as we speak.

I will never grow tired of the Don telling CNN reporters they're fake news. Makes me smile every time
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It's a curious thing in which Canadians who support Trump seem to take any criticism of the man as a personal affront to themselves. Insulting and sparring with fellow Canadians just for having a different opinion of him is very strange. Not a big deal if he's not everyone's cup of tea.
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It's a curious thing in which Canadians who support Trump seem to take any criticism of the man as a personal affront to themselves. Insulting and sparring with fellow Canadians just for having a different opinion of him is very strange. Not a big deal if he's not everyone's cup of tea.
It kinda goes both ways . It seems that if you don’t automatically hate everything the man says then you are chastized by the haters as they question your intelligence.
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If any Trudeau supporters want to pipe up, I’m sure some people would be up for some verbal sparring with them too
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If any Trudeau supporters want to pipe up, I’m sure some people would be up for some verbal sparring with them too
They keep pretty quiet on here
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It's a curious thing in which Canadians who support Trump seem to take any criticism of the man as a personal affront to themselves. Insulting and sparring with fellow Canadians just for having a different opinion of him is very strange. Not a big deal if he's not everyone's cup of tea.
Kinda like any trump supporters giving praise to the man and anti trumpsters lose their minds? No that’s different right?
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It's a curious thing in which Canadians who support Trump seem to take any criticism of the man as a personal affront to themselves. Insulting and sparring with fellow Canadians just for having a different opinion of him is very strange. Not a big deal if he's not everyone's cup of tea.
I'm not a fan of the guy, but I'll give him credit on his accomplishments with the US economy and getting people jobs down there. We should be so lucky up here, but business investment (both domestic & foreign) just gets chased away. I do find it quite revealing though, when people go making unsubstantiated claims about Trump such as him being a racist or a rapist, that guy probably had all the tail he could stand throwing itself at him (and not because of his looks or charm of course). People digest so much hate media about the guy that they don't even bat an eyelash when the next more shocking claim comes out, they gobble it up like piranha gathered at a bloated carcass. The ones that are really telling though are the Canadian ones who've made a sport of feeling superior to the USA for decades. They'll go into full TDS on social media about him and US politics, but not mention a thing whatsoever about Canadian politics. Nothing. Silence. Its an odd phenomenon when it happens to people that you used to respect and thought were intelligent.
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In case anyone actually cares what this is actually about more than they do chucking feces at each other perhaps I can provide some context. Back in the 90s there were some high profile lawsuits having the potential to stifle any sort of social interaction online, people were trying to hold service providers liable for messages posted by users.

Say I decide one day to come here on AO and post “all Ruger rifles are garbage and will probably blow up and kill you”. Ruger might be understandably upset with that but under today’s laws they would have to come and find me to deal with it. Without section 230 of the Communications Decency Act they don’t have to bother with that, they just sue AO. Does anyone see a potential problem with that?

What is at issue is referred to as the “26 words that made the internet”:

No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.

Now this has never been absolute, there are provisions where content like child pornography, copyright infringement and other things that would be illegal in a physical medium should also be removed by service providers. Some service providers choose to go a bit further, Reddit removing incel specific boards for example but others do not or rely on community moderation. On one hand this gives service providers some protection and flexibility but it has also landed them squarely in the middle of this new culture war unfolding in the US. Personally I was delighted when scumbags like Alex Jones and Gavin McInness got booted off of the major platforms in 2018 until I gave it some consideration. In my view both of them were absolutely using their positions on those platforms to incite hate and violence but making that call left the service providers open to a challenge on section 230 and now here we are.

This is the justification for today’s EO but it’s not the first swipe the Republicans have taken at it. They’ve been trying to pass legislation for a couple years, the Justice Department has been reviewing it and trying to make recommendations for months as well. Similarly there have been several calls from Democrats to increase the obligation on service providers to police hate speech more like our framework or the ones in Europe. Nobody is happy with the current balance.

However let’s not pretend this has been a well thought out compromise or something. Donnie got called out misrepresenting a concern as fact and he had himself a fit, I don’t think this is going to go well at all. Trump has called for expansion of US libel laws in a manner similar to what’s in the UK for years. He basically wants to legalize barratry so he can sue anyone who dares bring attention to his constant lying and misrepresentation. The inevitable result of which will place these companies in a position where they MUST censor their user’s content or open themselves up to an almost limitless liability that shareholders cannot abide. There could be grave consequences to this.
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It kinda goes both ways . It seems that if you don’t automatically hate everything the man says then you are chastized by the haters as they question your intelligence.
If you were to sum up the comments on this site from the lefties and the righties you would see it's the righties that get all snowflake like. I'd never wish I'll on a trump supporter but I sure as hell dont like trump.

I am a blue collar worker, 4th gen oilfield, 100% self made, never been on support of any kind, even during school. Everything I have I've earned with my hands and mind. So theres no way i could ever support trump. He was born with a silver spoon and has never actually practiced capitalism. Hes cheated on all his wives, ripped off countless contractors, etc. That alone means I could never like him nor support him. And if I did support him I certainly wouldnt to the point of defending himself. But I have always tried hard not to develop cognitive bias.
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You just described 95% of politicians everywhere. Lol
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Kinda like any trump supporters giving praise to the man and anti trumpsters lose their minds? No that’s different right?
No, it isn't different. I just find it odd that people take the opinions of the man (on either side) on such a personal level. It's okay to not like the man just as much as it's okay to like him. At the end of the day, why are Canadians arguing and insulting each other over the US president? It just doesn't make any sense to me.


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No, it isn't different. I just find it odd that people take the opinions of the man (on either side) on such a personal level. It's okay to not like the man just as much as it's okay to like him. At the end of the day, why are Canadians arguing and insulting each other over the US president? It just doesn't make any sense to me.




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Everything is so polarized right now. Black or white with no grey area in between. This us vs them mentality is getting old. What ever happened to respecting people that have different opinions and agreeing to disagree?
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If you were to sum up the comments on this site from the lefties and the righties you would see it's the righties that get all snowflake like. I'd never wish I'll on a trump supporter but I sure as hell dont like trump.

I am a blue collar worker, 4th gen oilfield, 100% self made, never been on support of any kind, even during school. Everything I have I've earned with my hands and mind. So theres no way i could ever support trump. He was born with a silver spoon and has never actually practiced capitalism. Hes cheated on all his wives, ripped off countless contractors, etc. That alone means I could never like him nor support him. And if I did support him I certainly wouldnt to the point of defending himself. But I have always tried hard not to develop cognitive bias.
Name me one politician in the last 50 years that has done more for the blue collar worker than Trump. He is not the Queen of England, he is the leader of the largest free world economy. He isn’t there to make anyone feel warm and fuzzy. He is there to do a job and he is doing what he said he would do. How refreshing.
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Everything is so polarized right now. Black or white with no grey area in between. This us vs them mentality is getting old. What ever happened to respecting people that have different opinions and agreeing to disagree?
Because it’s getting to a point that we may just nicely agree to lose every freedom we have.

I was watching an interview with a gentleman the other night. He said he was a Democrat. Was considered left in the 70’s. He said his views have not changed and he is now aligned right and Republican. The opposite is not true.
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Because it’s getting to a point that we may just nicely agree to lose every freedom we have.
Exactly. Sad we have got to the point where everyone feels backed up against the wall on the right side. Flight or fight. Guess there is only so much to give.
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Name me one politician in the last 50 years that has done more for the blue collar worker than Trump. He is not the Queen of England, he is the leader of the largest free world economy. He isn’t there to make anyone feel warm and fuzzy. He is there to do a job and he is doing what he said he would do. How refreshing.
Lougheed. I'll stay local for that one.

I think you're just angry and projecting on to trump what you think he should represent. Your post history shows that you do provide alot of good insight and experience outdoor related so I dont think you could actually align your values with a person like trump. Maybe you like some of the stuff he does but you cant call him a breath of fresh air. Just look at his life.
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You just described 95% of politicians everywhere. Lol
I'd say 99% to be honest. They're all bought and paid for these days.
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Everything is so polarized right now. Black or white with no grey area in between. This us vs them mentality is getting old. What ever happened to respecting people that have different opinions and agreeing to disagree?
Weve both had our differences on here. I'm definitely center and you're more to the right. But that's ok! It's what brings balance to the vote. The *****s up top though want us polarized. Its alot harder to count the hands in the cookie jar when you're fighting each other.
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Man is Trump great. I think he is fantastic !!! Never have I ever been so interested in what a president has to say !!! Every time he is on the television I want to grab a bag of popcorn and a soda cause I know I’m about to be entertained !!!! He may be a bit of an ass but he sure as hell can’t be bought and puts his country first over all others. Our leaders could learn a thing or two from him for sure. Love how he shoots from the hip !!!
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This should be quite interesting to see. What the effects are, if the legislation and regulations are ratified and upheld will change the way social media and free speech content is filtered. Right now all social media, news, etc.. can pick and choose and the only distinction is the liability associated with misinformation and/or slander HOWEVER there is no liability associated with the regulation of editorial content.

The one question is, how can this, or will this effect the other heavily polarized trash rags who have connected content on social media like CNBC, Breitbart, the Rebel and even, to a lesser extent, Fox and CNN content.

Maybe this leads to us to a slippery slope, or maybe it fixes broken wheels on both sides of the wagon.
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This should be quite interesting to see. What the effects are, if the legislation and regulations are ratified and upheld will change the way social media and free speech content is filtered. Right now all social media, news, etc.. can pick and choose and the only distinction is the liability associated with misinformation and/or slander HOWEVER there is no liability associated with the regulation of editorial content.

The one question is, how can this, or will this effect the other heavily polarized trash rags who have connected content on social media like CNBC, Breitbart, the Rebel and even, to a lesser extent, Fox and CNN content.

Maybe this leads to us to a slippery slope, or maybe it fixes broken wheels on both sides of the wagon.
Are you saying that Trump May have done a good thing and time will tell !!!! I think he’s growing on you !!
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In case anyone actually cares what this is actually about more than they do chucking feces at each other perhaps I can provide some context. Back in the 90s there were some high profile lawsuits having the potential to stifle any sort of social interaction online, people were trying to hold service providers liable for messages posted by users.

Say I decide one day to come here on AO and post “all Ruger rifles are garbage and will probably blow up and kill you”. Ruger might be understandably upset with that but under today’s laws they would have to come and find me to deal with it. Without section 230 of the Communications Decency Act they don’t have to bother with that, they just sue AO. Does anyone see a potential problem with that?

What is at issue is referred to as the “26 words that made the internet”:

No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.

Now this has never been absolute, there are provisions where content like child pornography, copyright infringement and other things that would be illegal in a physical medium should also be removed by service providers. Some service providers choose to go a bit further, Reddit removing incel specific boards for example but others do not or rely on community moderation. On one hand this gives service providers some protection and flexibility but it has also landed them squarely in the middle of this new culture war unfolding in the US. Personally I was delighted when scumbags like Alex Jones and Gavin McInness got booted off of the major platforms in 2018 until I gave it some consideration. In my view both of them were absolutely using their positions on those platforms to incite hate and violence but making that call left the service providers open to a challenge on section 230 and now here we are.

This is the justification for today’s EO but it’s not the first swipe the Republicans have taken at it. They’ve been trying to pass legislation for a couple years, the Justice Department has been reviewing it and trying to make recommendations for months as well. Similarly there have been several calls from Democrats to increase the obligation on service providers to police hate speech more like our framework or the ones in Europe. Nobody is happy with the current balance.

However let’s not pretend this has been a well thought out compromise or something. Donnie got called out misrepresenting a concern as fact and he had himself a fit, I don’t think this is going to go well at all. Trump has called for expansion of US libel laws in a manner similar to what’s in the UK for years. He basically wants to legalize barratry so he can sue anyone who dares bring attention to his constant lying and misrepresentation. The inevitable result of which will place these companies in a position where they MUST censor their user’s content or open themselves up to an almost limitless liability that shareholders cannot abide. There could be grave consequences to this.
One intelligent post in this whole thread and everybody just keeps bickering back and forth. I am sure you have realized that by now, but a platform for intelligent discourse this forum is not. All crave for that one moment where they can bash each other's posts rather than dive into the meat of the issue at hand. Your post gives me a glimmer of hope for democracy and for civilization as a whole.

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One intelligent post in this whole thread and everybody just keeps bickering back and forth. I am sure you have realized that by now, but a platform for intelligent discourse this forum is not. All crave for that one moment where they can bash each other's posts rather than dive into the meat of the issue at hand. Your post gives me a glimmer of hope for democracy and for civilization as a whole.

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I agree - that was a good post.

But, I think it's unlikely to have "the desired effect" described by either the nonsensical liberals who believe this is the end of humanity and democracy NOR will Trump gain "complete control" of the media like in Russia or China (which I am convinced he would very much enjoy).

It's most likely this will go nowhere of consequence and will be tied up in legislation for a long time the first time this is enacted and subsequently challenged.

I guess we will see.

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