Prussian Carp update

[jacenbeers]

I caught this in Ghost Reservoir today on a smelt.

[goldscud]

No trolling Jacen

[CraigJ]

I'm pretty new to fishing. Are carp considered 'non-sport fish'? If so can we not just catch and kill every carp we find?

[jacenbeers]

Originally Posted by goldscud

No trolling Jacen

Sorry

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by jacenbeers

Sorry

rookie

[BeeGuy]

Originally Posted by CraigJ

I'm pretty new to fishing. Are carp considered 'non-sport fish'? If so can we not just catch and kill every carp we find?

Sure can as long as the fishing season for your spot is open.

No limits on carp!

[dodger]

Originally Posted by jacenbeers

I caught this in Ghost Reservoir today on a smelt.

Thanks for the chuckle!!

Dodger.

[jacenbeers]

Originally Posted by dodger

Thanks for the chuckle!!

Dodger.

He is a pretty creepy looking dude

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by 338Bluff

whatever. Show me in my post where I said bird. Really buddy, you are a broken record.

Originally Posted by 338Bluff

There never was anything in Crimson (other than leeches) so perch would be an improvement. I am not going to buy into the idea that every single trout lake that now has perch in it was a deliberate stocking by humans. Some are pretty remote. Sorry. Just not plausible.

Great...so there is a remote lake. What is your theory for perch mysteriously appearing?

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by jeprli

I'm for catching carp, what happened to prairie waters is tragic, it does not belong here, but it is here so I'll catch them as long as law allows. I'll say it again authorities knew about this long before some Joe fisherman reported the first catch and made it known to general public. But sadly nothing was done, and now we have a carp problem which is unstoppable. I really don't care about Prussian carp, but what bugs me is your opposing views based on nothing but random Internet data.

Who knows, one day you might be looking at them a little differently.

OK.

What are my opposing views you refer to? That they are brought here and stocked illegally by people. That the fish have got out of dugouts and are spreading through waterways and that those landowners are ultimately responsible? That Carp have no place in Alberta and will damage habitat and compete against native or stocked sport fish to the detriment of Albertans?

Which view is opposite of yours that does not have a basis in fact in your opinion? Please enlighten.

[Deer]

Are these the same species of carp that are all over the place in Okanagan Lake? If so they get very large

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Deer

Are these the same species of carp that are all over the place in Okanagan Lake? If so they get very large

Those would be common carp.

http://alienspecies.royalbcmuseum.bc...es/common-carp

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

OK.

What are my opposing views you refer to? That they are brought here and stocked illegally by people. That the fish have got out of dugouts and are spreading through waterways and that those landowners are ultimately responsible? That Carp have no place in Alberta and will damage habitat and compete against native or stocked sport fish to the detriment of Albertans?

Which view is opposite of yours that does not have a basis in fact in your opinion? Please enlighten.

Doesn't a person need a permit to stock a pond for these very reasons? If so and the land owner had a permit is he still ultimately responsible?

[tqiu]

Originally Posted by jacenbeers

I caught this in Ghost Reservoir today on a smelt.

looks like good one. which part and how deep you go to? thanks

[Deer]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Those would be common carp.

http://alienspecies.royalbcmuseum.bc...es/common-carp

The article says the carp have been in the lake since 1917. What environmental impact have they had?

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Deer

The article says the carp have been in the lake since 1917. What environmental impact have they had?

The habitat degradation they mentioned. Also they are consuming food all that time that would of fed other species.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

Doesn't a person need a permit to stock a pond for these very reasons? If so and the land owner had a permit is he still ultimately responsible?

http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/general/.../all/pgmsrv112

What kinds of fish can I stock in my pond or fish culture facility?
Table 1 shows the species of cultured fish eligible under each licence. Goldfish and Koi are considered cultured fish only if they are possessed at a location that is not within a person's principal residence and the fish are being kept for the purpose of selling wholesale. The Licensing Section will not issue a licence for any species of fish not included in Table 1.

Table 1. Cultured fish eligible for licencing
Recreational & Commercial 'A'
Arctic char
Rainbow trout
Brook trout
Brown trout
Triploid grass carp

If you have a fish tank within your home and it has koi or goldfish in it you don't need a license.

So yes.

Those guys with the ponds of carp were breaking the law. The law and regulations are in place to prevent this catastrophe.

He did not have a permit. One was not allowed to be granted. They are very strict.

[BeeGuy]

So are these ecoterrorist farmers going to jail?

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

http://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/general/.../all/pgmsrv112

What kinds of fish can I stock in my pond or fish culture facility?
Table 1 shows the species of cultured fish eligible under each licence. Goldfish and Koi are considered cultured fish only if they are possessed at a location that is not within a person's principal residence and the fish are being kept for the purpose of selling wholesale. The Licensing Section will not issue a licence for any species of fish not included in Table 1.

Table 1. Cultured fish eligible for licencing
Recreational & Commercial 'A'
Arctic char
Rainbow trout
Brook trout
Brown trout
Triploid grass carp

If you have a fish tank within your home and it has koi or goldfish in it you don't need a license.

So yes.

Those guys with the ponds of carp were breaking the law. The law and regulations are in place to prevent this catastrophe.

He did not have a permit. One was not allowed to be granted. They are very strict.

Thanks, I knew a permit was required, didn't know about the restrictions on the types of fish.

Was there ever a place in Alberta that a person could have these carp?

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

Thanks, I knew a permit was required, didn't know about the restrictions on the types of fish.

Was there ever a place in Alberta that a person could have these carp?

Not that I am aware of. I know there are the grass carp but they are triploid and unable to reproduce. They are used in dugouts and ponds to control weeds.

Outside of that...there is no permit granted to any species other than those on the list.

[pipco]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

So are these ecoterrorist farmers going to jail?

One can only hope!

[BeeGuy]

Seems to me that if SRD was aware of the issue and did nothing, then they are negligent in their duties.

Should they be prosecuted for their role in the carp's spread?

Ecoterrorists, the lot of them.

[Dale S]

Still haven't caught any on the lower Oldman or the upper S.S.R. And still don't know anybody that has.

[jeprli]

Bang on Bee Guy!

Nothing was done when it could have been stopped, pointing fingers now is useless. What we have going now is way beyond repair.

I'd rather start thinking how to make most of it, it's fish after all.

Don't see anyone bonking law protected illegal introduced species. Why are they protected in the first place, because they are considered sport fish in snobbish societies? Are we trying to keep up with the rest or set an example?

Nothing stops people from digging up ponds and filling them with goldfish, it's cheapest, most resilient of all other exotics to Canadian climate...absolutely no documentation needed to purchase, if for cash there is hardly even a chance of receipt. So much for regulating exotic species in this country.

[Deer]

Originally Posted by jeprli

Bang on Bee Guy!

Nothing was done when it could have been stopped, pointing fingers now is useless. What we have going now is way beyond repair.

I'd rather start thinking how to make most of it, it's fish after all.

Don't see anyone bonking law protected illegal introduced species. Why are they protected in the first place, because they are considered sport fish in snobbish societies? Are we trying to keep up with the rest or set an example?

Nothing stops people from digging up ponds and filling them with goldfish, it's cheapest, most resilient of all other exotics to Canadian climate...absolutely no documentation needed to purchase, if for cash there is hardly even a chance of receipt. So much for regulating exotic species in this country.

You like those carps?

[jeprli]

I already stated what I think about them, read up.

[Wood1]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Not that I am aware of. I know there are the grass carp but they are triploid and unable to reproduce. They are used in dugouts and ponds to control weeds.

Outside of that...there is no permit granted to any species other than those on the list.

Incorrect, commercial B license allows us:

Atlantic salmon
Chinook salmon
Coho salmon
Sockeye (Kokanee) salmon
Freshwater prawn
Goldfish
Koi
Tilapia
Bigmouth Buffalo fish
American eel
Apple snail

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Wood1

Incorrect, commercial B license allows us:

Atlantic salmon
Chinook salmon
Coho salmon
Sockeye (Kokanee) salmon
Freshwater prawn
Goldfish
Koi
Tilapia
Bigmouth Buffalo fish
American eel
Apple snail

Read what "contained" waters means.

[Wood1]

Very familiar. In addition to indoor recirc systems it allows outdoor impoundments not exceeding 600sq/ft with a liner and isolated from other water bodies.

[DukesArcher]

Are there any Carp in or around Edmonton? I could catch a 100 carp a day if they are in the area. My own recipe of boiles on abolt ledger rig dominates. Where are they?