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09-12-2017, 06:34 PM
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Goodbye Calgary Flames
Looks like the start of the end to our beloved hockey team. Make sure all you Calgarians remember that when you cast your ballot next time.
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09-12-2017, 06:39 PM
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Ken King thinks he is more important than all the fires burning in Alberta. Waterton is under attack and King comes out with I am taking my ball and going home. I was thinking we need a change but with this third group who do not have to identify themselves and now the flames I sure will vote for Nenshi again.
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09-12-2017, 06:43 PM
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I still find it hard to stomach that billionaires expect and get subsidies from taxpayers. Civic pride has value but not to the point of enriching the super wealthy.
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09-13-2017, 04:40 PM
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That's why
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Originally Posted by badger
I still find it hard to stomach that billionaires expect and get subsidies from taxpayers. Civic pride has value but not to the point of enriching the super wealthy.
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That's why they are wealthy, they don't lose money, everything is operated to generate a ROI, and just for the record....none of the owners of the Flames are billionaires....not even close. Yes they are wealthy and there is nothing wrong with that they earned it. Why would anyone stay in Calgary when you can get a better deal in Québec, Kansas, Seattle. Calgary either steps up to the plate or we all become Oiler fans, Edmonton is a far better place for NHL, they have less whiners and a beautiful new facility. Calgary has the oldest and poorest NHL facility, and the absolute worst CFL facility McMahon is an absolute embarrassment.
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09-13-2017, 05:37 PM
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That's why they are wealthy, they don't lose money, everything is operated to generate a ROI, and just for the record....none of the owners of the Flames are billionaires....not even close. Yes they are wealthy and there is nothing wrong with that they earned it. Why would anyone stay in Calgary when you can get a better deal in Québec, Kansas, Seattle. Calgary either steps up to the plate or we all become Oiler fans, Edmonton is a far better place for NHL, they have less whiners and a beautiful new facility. Calgary has the oldest and poorest NHL facility, and the absolute worst CFL facility McMahon is an absolute embarrassment.
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At last count Murray Edwards is worth 2.8 billion!
Clay Riddle, 3.3 billion plus.
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09-13-2017, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by scrapper
That's why they are wealthy, they don't lose money, everything is operated to generate a ROI, and just for the record....none of the owners of the Flames are billionaires....not even close. Yes they are wealthy and there is nothing wrong with that they earned it. Why would anyone stay in Calgary when you can get a better deal in Québec, Kansas, Seattle. Calgary either steps up to the plate or we all become Oiler fans, Edmonton is a far better place for NHL, they have less whiners and a beautiful new facility. Calgary has the oldest and poorest NHL facility, and the absolute worst CFL facility McMahon is an absolute embarrassment.
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x10 regina winterpeg Toronto all have new stadiums
we have a piece of crap stadium that is over 50 years old!!!
are you frigginn kidding me.this is Calgary!!
we cant do better than regina for a stadium
you are correct it is embarrassing & as a stamps
fan for life I am ashamed of it.
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09-13-2017, 06:23 PM
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I agree with EZM's post.
If King wants taxpayers to pay, then he should not be opposed to giving up part of the revenue stream.
Places like Vancouver and Toronto did not require significant investment by the city to build their arenas... the owner/investment group funded it themselves.
As for the "spin-off" economics... why don't we build some head offices instead and give them to a company (heard Google was looking)? That would provide far more jobs and investment than an arena.
But all this sounds extremely "socialist" to me, whether it is a taxpayer funded pro sports arena or an office building.
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09-13-2017, 06:24 PM
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x10 regina winterpeg Toronto all have new stadiums
we have a piece of crap stadium that is over 50 years old!!!
are you frigginn kidding me.this is Calgary!!
we cant do better than regina for a stadium
you are correct it is embarrassing & as a stamps
fan for life I am ashamed of it.
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Well, it's over 30 years old anyway..... it was built in 1983...
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09-13-2017, 06:27 PM
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Does anyone have an idea of the numbers to build a new facility? How much would each tax payer actually incur? That might nip the whining in the bud? From what I'm hearing on this thread, it's sounding like a pile of extra tax money headed to the tax payers? It has to be significant when I see the comments, or many just plain hate the idea of keeping the team.
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09-12-2017, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by artie
Ken King thinks he is more important than all the fires burning in Alberta. Waterton is under attack and King comes out with I am taking my ball and going home. I was thinking we need a change but with this third group who do not have to identify themselves and now the flames I sure will vote for Nenshi again.
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It's the same deal that went on in Edmonton, but we need a new rink, plain and simple or we won't have a team in a few years. Having a pro hockey team in Calgary is a must. It's great for Calgary and it's great for Alberta, not to mention all the other venues we will miss out on because of the Saddledome. Will be a pretty sad day if they pull out of here. It's tough to watch both sides dig in their heels on this. Nenshi is just as stubborn as Gary Bettmen. Going to get interesting.
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09-12-2017, 06:59 PM
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Ken King thinks he is more important than all the fires burning in Alberta. Waterton is under attack and King comes out with I am taking my ball and going home. I was thinking we need a change but with this third group who do not have to identify themselves and now the flames I sure will vote for Nenshi again.
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Makes me want to vote for Nenshi even more
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09-12-2017, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Echo-Gecko
Makes me want to vote for Nenshi even more
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I guess if you'd rather build a cultural centre than a hockey rink, go for it.
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09-12-2017, 07:02 PM
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It's the same deal that went on in Edmonton, but we need a new rink, plain and simple or we won't have a team in a few years. Having a pro hockey team in Calgary is a must. It's great for Calgary and it's great for Alberta, not to mention all the other venues we will miss out on because of the Saddledome. Will be a pretty sad day if they pull out of here. It's tough to watch both sides dig in their heels on this. Nenshi is just as stubborn as Gary Bettmen. Going to get interesting.
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Why is a pro team in Calgary a must, they obviously can't make it without a civic hand out. So long, see you, find another sucker to subsidize yourselves.
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09-12-2017, 07:11 PM
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I am not in favor of the taxpayers paying to subsidize a privately owned franchise, but I would rather see that than wasting $500k on an abomination along the roadway that they call art.
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09-13-2017, 05:31 PM
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I am not in favor of the taxpayers paying to subsidize a privately owned franchise, but I would rather see that than wasting $500k on an abomination along the roadway that they call art.
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my sentiments exact'y how many piece of sh*t public art installations are we going to have to see in this city??
maybebKen King should put the arena idea forward as it being art?
not to mention would help in a future winter Olympics bid.
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09-12-2017, 07:12 PM
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Why is a pro team in Calgary a must, they obviously can't make it without a civic hand out. So long, see you, find another sucker to subsidize yourselves.
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Ya, why have any sports i guess, who cares about all the kids that dream of making that team, it gives them something to dream about. Hockey provides a lot of entertainment in the long winters we have here, for a lot of people. Gets people out doors and gets people off the couch. I've seen money spent on a lot worse things. Head up to Edmonton and talk to the folks up there, they wouldn't give up their new arena for anything.
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09-12-2017, 07:14 PM
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Ya, why have any sports i guess, who cares about all the kids that dream of making that team, it gives them something to dream about. Hockey provides a lot of entertainment in the long winters we have here, for a lot of people. Gets people out doors and gets people off the couch. I've seen money spent on a lot worse things. Head up to Edmonton and talk to the folks up there, they wouldn't give up their new arena for anything.
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I bet I could add the words, some folks and be right on the money.
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09-12-2017, 08:46 PM
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Ya, why have any sports i guess, who cares about all the kids that dream of making that team, it gives them something to dream about. Hockey provides a lot of entertainment in the long winters we have here, for a lot of people. Gets people out doors and gets people off the couch. I've seen money spent on a lot worse things. Head up to Edmonton and talk to the folks up there, they wouldn't give up their new arena for anything.
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......who cares about all the parents that dream of their kids making that team, they dream of the day they can ride the kids gravy train ......:
would be a more accurate statement
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09-13-2017, 08:29 AM
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Ya, why have any sports i guess, who cares about all the kids that dream of making that team, it gives them something to dream about. Hockey provides a lot of entertainment in the long winters we have here, for a lot of people. Gets people out doors and gets people off the couch. I've seen money spent on a lot worse things. Head up to Edmonton and talk to the folks up there, they wouldn't give up their new arena for anything.
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you have not been talking to the average person in Ed then. biggest waste of money but then thats what Edmonton is knowen for wasting money. They cant finish the transit system or even make what is there work properly. But lets put a over price ugly ice pond in the center of the city and screw up more stuff.As far as the arena getting people off there couch instead they just sit in over priced chairs.. i give ::Nenshi props for having some guts to bad we cant get some in a mayor in Edmonton.
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09-13-2017, 08:46 AM
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Ya, why have any sports i guess, who cares about all the kids that dream of making that team, it gives them something to dream about.
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I would prefer that kids not dream about something that needs to be subsidized in order to survive.
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09-12-2017, 07:26 PM
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Why is a pro team in Calgary a must, they obviously can't make it without a civic hand out. So long, see you, find another sucker to subsidize yourselves.
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Its not a "must" in the sense that the world would end if Calgary doesn't have a major pro team, but its difficult to name a city of any significance in NA that doesn't have one. Again, nothing really wrong with it, but they would be, by far, the biggest city in NA not to have one. It seems to me that if they didn't benefit the city, this wouldn't be the case.
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09-12-2017, 08:05 PM
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Thanks for the laugh !
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. . . Having a pro hockey team in Calgary is a must. . .
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09-12-2017, 08:10 PM
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If the Flames actually put forward a plan and presented it to Calgarians (like what the arena would look like and what would go into it) then maybe Calgarians could get on board with the project and voice their opinion to city hall.
Unfortunately, the Flames have done a poor job with that.
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09-12-2017, 08:23 PM
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This is nothing more than political posturing by Ken King, the Flames and Gary Bettman. They're trying to make it an election issue. So all of the 'sky is falling' (read: bullshirt) reporting by the Calgary gossipers (see Eric Francis) is completely ridiculous.
If/when the Flames relocate, I'll eat my shoe. It's not happening and for King to keep "hinting" at that possibility is an insult to the Flames' fans. King needs to go.
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09-13-2017, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by elk396
It's the same deal that went on in Edmonton, but we need a new rink, plain and simple or we won't have a team in a few years. Having a pro hockey team in Calgary is a must. It's great for Calgary and it's great for Alberta, not to mention all the other venues we will miss out on because of the Saddledome. Will be a pretty sad day if they pull out of here. It's tough to watch both sides dig in their heels on this. Nenshi is just as stubborn as Gary Bettmen. Going to get interesting.
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The deal in Edmonton actually makes sense for all sides. The arena is paid off by ticket surcharges, the Oilers stay, and the added Ice District development was the real goal for Katz. A brilliant move, and in the long run, good for Katz, good for the city of Edmonton, and the local economy.
I'm not sure if a similar set of circumstances exist in Calgary. With the concentration of O&G offices being there, and considering the office space vacancy rate, there is no way anyone is going to invest billions in building new towers like they are in Edmonton. It just doesn't make sense, as very few see a return to the hay days of oil/gas development.
Are the Flames gone? Perhaps. That is too early to tell, but they are on the watch list to be moved. Obviously Seattle is in the running if they do.
I'm going to miss the Edmonton/Calgary rivalry in hockey.
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09-13-2017, 11:02 AM
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but we need a new rink, plain and simple or we won't have a team in a few years. Having a pro hockey team in Calgary is a must. It's great for Calgary and it's great for Alberta, not to mention all the other venues we will miss out on because of the Saddledome.
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No we don't NEED a rink, YOU want a rink. Myself and many others that would be on the hook for your enjoyment are completely against this. If you want a new rink have the billionaire owner build one on his dime.
If the public is to fund this stupid idea then the Flames can rent space and King can pound sound.
You sir are a socialist.
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No we don't NEED a rink, YOU want a rink. Myself and many others that would be on the hook for your enjoyment are completely against this. If you want a new rink have the billionaire owner build one on his dime.
If the public is to fund this stupid idea then the Flames can rent space and King can pound sound.
You sir are a socialist.
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The Flames NEED a rink. If you can't see how this will benefit your city as a whole, there's plenty in line who do. While you personally might not be affected, your city will, and many you know will.
Cheers
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No we don't NEED a rink, YOU want a rink. Myself and many others that would be on the hook for your enjoyment are completely against this. If you want a new rink have the billionaire owner build one on his dime.
If the public is to fund this stupid idea then the Flames can rent space and King can pound sound.
You sir are a socialist.
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Like I said earlier in this thread, move to timbuktu, watch some 'c' hockey at the local barn, no concerns over tax dollars toward a pro hockey team. Sit on the porch and pick your teeth with your three dogs at your feet.
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09-13-2017, 11:47 AM
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Reports alone said Garth Brooks and his nine shows in Edmonton brought $42m into Edmonton's local economy. I can only imagine that number is on the sunny-side, but it provides insight of how new fancy arena's benefit the Cities they're placed in, not just the owner(s) of the building. I agree that it's an absurd concept that we as taxpayers in Edmonton paid to subsidize Katz's place, but there is no question that it has brought a variety of benefits, economically and otherwise, and it's an essential piece to CoE's plan of revitalizing downtown.
Calgary needs to think long and hard about the decision about a new arena that is subsidized by taxpayers. Edmonton can be seen as doing everything correctly in terms of at least having an overall plan in place in terms of creating the ice district, and developing it along with new downtown highrise condo developments, new museum/other city facilities, and propping up the idea of urban infill rather than further expansion into surrounding area suburbs.
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Like I said earlier in this thread, move to timbuktu, watch some 'c' hockey at the local barn, no concerns over tax dollars toward a pro hockey team. Sit on the porch and pick your teeth with your three dogs at your feet.
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You may laugh, but that concept appeals to me...
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