Manitoba limits Hunter's time in Province

[35 whelen]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...ions-1.6783285

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[kingrat]

Be a loss in revenue for alot of small towns but I wish sask would do something similar.

[st99]

can you give a summery, I will not support any MSM especially CBC

[jcrayford]

Originally Posted by st99

can you give a summery, I will not support any MSM especially CBC

Opening quote: "Manitoba has introduced new rules to lower the number of Americans hunting ducks and other waterfowl in the province.

Foreign hunters — which, in Manitoba, primarily means Americans — are now only allowed to hunt for a maximum of seven consecutive days under the new regulations for waterfowl hunters, which at least one American hunter says have been quietly rolled out.

In previous years, a foreign resident game bird licence allowed the purchaser to hunt under the same rules as Manitoban hunters.

Foreign duck hunters can buy a licence through a licensed Manitoba outfitter, or can apply to be drawn through a lottery system. Those who are owners or tenants of land in the province are eligible for a grandfather licence.

This year, all foreign hunters who apply for a licence will get one. But in the coming years, the province says it will only accept a certain number of the foreign hunters who apply in the draw.

The province recently sent a guide outlining the changes to licence holders, saying that foreign hunters are staying in the province longer and controlling access to hunting land."

Story goes on, but I couldn't be on cbc's website any longer than what I was....

J.

[Pinhead]

Very poorly written article, what do you expect from CBC??

There are 3 ways to hunt migratory birds in Manitoba this year.

1. If using an outfitter you buy your license through the outfitter
2. If hunting on your own you need to enter a draw for a license. (New for this year)
3. If you are a landowner you can get a grandfathered license.

https://gov.mb.ca/nrnd/fish-wildlife...waterfowl.html

Dan

[fordtruckin]

How does a non-resident aka foreign hunter "control" the access to hunting land? It seems that if a hunter is guided, it is the outfitter that controls access of their hunters to land that is either permitted by the government on public land or leased from a private landowner. OR the hunter is on public land by themselves which would be a first come first serve. So, the control goes back to the government, the landowner or pure chance.

Ironically like others have mentioned, it will harm a lot of small towns/businesses that rely on foreign hunters. There is a delicate balance between the number of resident/non-resident hunters to allow.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by fordtruckin

How does a non-resident aka foreign hunter "control" the access to hunting land? It seems that if a hunter is guided, it is the outfitter that controls access of their hunters to land that is either permitted by the government on public land or leased from a private landowner. OR the hunter is on public land by themselves which would be a first come first serve. So, the control goes back to the government, the landowner or pure chance.

Ironically like others have mentioned, it will harm a lot of small towns/businesses that rely on foreign hunters. There is a delicate balance between the number of resident/non-resident hunters to allow.

Foreign hunters can control land access, by paying landowners for exclusive access. This is illegal in many provinces, but it does happen.

[fordtruckin]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Foreign hunters can control land access, by paying landowners for exclusive access. This is illegal in many provinces, but it does happen.

The landowner isn’t obligated to lease the land out so again it falls back on the landowner.

[fishnguy]

When I read what was posted here and nothing else, I assumed that if you are a foreigner and landowner this year, you can be grandfathered. If you are a foreigner and buy land after this year, you’ll still have to draw to hunt on your own. That’s really my very uneducated take though from reading a few posts here, so I could be completely out of whack.

By the sounds of it, outfitters won, but I don’t have enough info to speculate about it.

[cacty]

Originally Posted by st99

can you give a summery, I will not support any MSM especially CBC

Thank you for taking that stance and 100% support it!

[~altiplano~]

50% of the harvest by American hunters. Largely DIY with minimal corresponding financial benefit to communities or the province. Maybe some groceries and a motel room as they filled up their truck before crossing and brought their cheap American beer with them.

Guided foreign hunters and lodges are unaffected by this.

[pikergolf]

More information here. Sorry it is so long, I could not link it.

Public Policy Objective of the Regulatory Project

Public Policy Objective Fulfilled:
Manitoba is located in the heart of the continental flyways, which funnel millions of migrating waterfowl through our province in the spring and fall. This has resulted in the development of a rich and diverse waterfowl hunting culture and tradition unique to Manitoba.

A sustainable, balanced approach to managing competition for land access to waterfowl hunting areas is needed to ensure the resident social capacity of Manitoba’s waterfowl hunting opportunities is not exceeded. The long-term management goals are to promote sustainable tourism in Manitoba, provide stability for the waterfowl outfitting industry and to ensure residents receive primary waterfowling priority as part of Manitoba’s hunting heritage.

The public policy objective is to create and implement a waterfowl hunting regulatory framework that:
• prioritizes resident hunting opportunities and access to the resource,
• prioritizes existing licensed outfitting businesses such that their services are highly sought after by clientele from across Canada, the U.S. and the world, and
• ensures that non-outfitted, foreign residents accessing Manitoba’s world class waterfowling opportunities is sustainable and at numbers tolerable by Manitobans.
Problem or Opportunity:
Waterfowl hunting in Manitoba is a shared resource under mounting pressure from increasing competition for access to provincial Crown lands and privately owned agricultural lands. Visitors from outside Manitoba are passionate waterfowlers who bring a positive economic influence on the Province, but are one of the main contributors of increased pressure on local hunting access.

The majority of prime waterfowl habitat can be found in southwestern and central areas of Manitoba, known as the Prairie Pothole Region (see Attachment 1 - Map of Prairie Pothole Region) and are mostly privately owned lands. To hunt waterfowl on privately owned lands, landowner permission is required. Discouragingly, resident waterfowlers are finding it more and more difficult to obtain permission to hunt on private lands as many landowners are leasing hunting rights to others, such as foreign residents, outfitters and in some cases, other waterfowl resident hunters.

Conflict and pressure on accessing limited suitable hunting sites has been steadily increasing over the past two decades. Stakeholder groups like the Manitoba Wildlife Federation (MWF) and the Manitoba Lodge and Outfitter's Association (MLOA) have indicated that increased competition for hunting areas is eroding the quality of the hunting experience for residents, and negatively affecting outfitting businesses and the hunting experience of their clients. The Province has also heard that access to prime waterfowl hunting areas for subsistence use is an issue for Indigenous subsistence hunters. While the proposed regulatory changes will not apply to Indigenous hunters exercising their Aboriginal and treaty rights, it is expected that the benefits of increased access will be positive for subsistence waterfowl hunters as well.

It has become clear that in order to maintain and restore Manitoba’s world class waterfowl hunting opportunities, a unique and important policy solution is required. The changes proposed prioritize hunters residing in Manitoba and Manitoba licensed outfitting businesses, while at the same time, provides a shared, well-managed approach for foreign residents seeking migratory game bird hunting opportunities.

Background Context:
Geographically, Manitoba is the gateway and most accessible prairie province for waterfowl hunters travelling from the highly competitive American Midwest Region. In addition to Manitoba’s proximity to the American hunting market, Manitoba has a relatively small proportion of the most desirable hunting habitat type: the prairie pothole region.

Passionate American waterfowlers have come to Manitoba for decades, alongside other Canadian and Manitoba resident hunters, to enjoy our western prairie potholes, stubble fields, eastern wild rice lakes and the vast marshes of the Interlake, all teeming with abundant waterfowl, and enough space to enjoy the experience. This small area of the highest quality hunting land base further concentrates hunting pressure and competition for access between the various user groups within our Province.

Foreign resident hunters are primarily from the U.S., where access to prime hunting areas is highly competitive. Waterfowl hunter numbers in most states are very high relative to Manitoba. For example, the five-year average for active duck hunters from 2011 – 2015 in Minnesota was 65,822 and 54,102 in Wisconsin. In these U.S. states, competition for prime hunting land is significant. Manitoba's average of all game bird hunting licence sales (for all game bird species) during this same period was just 16,074. Lower hunter densities in Manitoba attracts substantial foreign resident hunters who are willing to pay more for access to prime hunting areas.

In a 2020 study, Travel Manitoba reported that total hunting related expenditures in Manitoba was approximately $212M, of which approximately $165M is spent by residents of Manitoba. The economic impact of resident waterfowlers is significant. Resident hunters patronize small towns and also purchase most of their expensive waterfowling gear – boats, canoes, decoys, firearms, and ammunition – here in Manitoba.

Moreover, hunting in Manitoba and Canada is a privilege and not a right for hunters who are not Indigenous. In our increasingly urbanized Canadian society, the maintenance of a positive hunting culture, and supportive regulations and policies is largely a function of maintaining a critical mass of resident hunters. The ongoing sustainability of the unique Canadian waterfowling culture is directly connected to foreign resident’s access to hunting privileges in Canada. For example, there have been proportional changes in duck harvest with foreign residents now accounting for over 50% of the annual provincial duck harvest while only purchasing approximately a third of all annual provincial game bird licences sold in Manitoba (see Attachment 2 – Duck Harvest in MB and Attachment 3 - MB Game Bird Licence Sales). This disproportional high harvest to foreign resident licences sold is a concern to resident hunters in that they feel their hunting is being impacted by the intensity of foreign residents hunting activity.

In discussions with resident licensed hunters, and organizations like the MWF, it is clear residents place a very high value on consuming waterfowl as a food source, and on the overall quality of the waterfowling experience. Manitobans are not highly competitive in their hunting culture; they tend to be willing to share hunting areas, and find leasing and controlled access of prime hunting land that is common in other regions of the continent, highly discouraging. Manitoba’s resident waterfowl hunters cannot compete with the commercialization and aggressive tactics for land access to prime hunting areas that has become normal in other continental jurisdictions.

Manitoba has always prioritized resident waterfowl hunting opportunity by providing staggered foreign resident season opening dates, all day goose hunting opportunities, exclusive resident-only areas, differential bag limits, reduced-fee resident youth licences, and no requirement for a game bird licence for resident seniors. However, even with such initiatives to promote resident hunting, access to quality hunting opportunities continues to be eroded and is one of the largest obstacles for residents.

Manitoba has approximately 60 active waterfowl outfitters. These outfitters facilitate the hunting tourism experience for an average of 1,200 hunters per year, the vast majority of whom are U.S. hunters. These outfitting businesses are critical contributors to the local economies where they operate. Most of the outfitters in Manitoba are residents who own homes, raise families and contribute to the communities within which they live. Outfitters have been clear that their situations are such that they cannot sustain their businesses given the current pressures from other hunters controlling land access. The control of land access is done not only by non-outfitted foreign resident hunters and illegal outfitters (non-licensed), but also some licensed outfitters and to a much lesser degree, resident hunters.

Waterfowl includes migratory game birds that are managed both federally and provincially. In order to hunt waterfowl in Manitoba, individuals who wish to hunt a migratory game bird must acquire both a federal and provincial game bird authorities. The first is a migratory game bird permit that is issued by the Canadian Wildlife Service (Government of Canada). This permit grants the authority to hunt migratory game birds (including waterfowl) in Canada. This federal permit will continue to be required, and is not part of the proposed changes. In addition to the federal migratory game bird permit, a provincial game bird licence is required to hunt game birds in Manitoba and includes authority to hunt upland game birds and migratory game birds. There are three residency types of licences for hunters: ‘Resident’ hunting licences for Manitobans, ‘Non-Resident’ licences for Canadians who are not Manitobans, and ‘Foreign Resident’ licences for anyone who is not a Canadian. These licences are required to hunt on both Crown and private land.

All provincial waterfowl licences can be purchased online to hunt during established hunting seasons set out under the Hunting Seasons and Bag Limits Regulation.

Reason for Government Action:
Waterfowling is incredibly important to the future of Manitoba’s hunting heritage as it is often the introduction to hunting for many resident youth and other first time hunters, and a gateway to other types of hunting experiences.

Waterfowl is considered a Crown public resource that falls under both federal and provincial jurisdiction. Provinces work closely with the Canadian Wildlife Service to ensure that migratory game bird hunting seasons and bag limits are sustainable and are managed within the respective province. Hunting seasons and bag limits are set out through both federal and provincial regulation, and provinces have the authority to set provincial licensing requirements over and above the federal migratory game bird permit. The province notified the federal government on the proposed changes and the Canadian Wildlife Service confirmed there is no conflict with their respective federal migratory bird legislation and that Manitoba can proceed. Discussions are ongoing to coordinate federal and provincial frameworks.
Regulatory Solution Justification:
In order for Manitoba to realize the outlined goals and objectives, regulatory amendments are required to existing regulations governing outfitting and foreign resident hunting authorizations and access to hunting opportunities. Priority of access to wildlife resources is determined through case law and provincial legislation, regulations and policies, and is outlined in prioritizing importance as follows:

1. Conservation of the Species
2. Indigenous Hunters
3. Resident Hunters
4. Non-resident Hunters
5. Foreign Resident Hunters
6. Licensed Outfitting Businesses

The proposed changes ensures continued resident hunting opportunity and sustainable licensed outfitting, which in turn, promotes local hunter recruitment, retention and reactivation and also supports and maintains small business and local economies.

Recommended Regulatory Action

Course of Action Sought:
The proposed regulatory measures outlined below include amendments to the Allocation of Hunting Licences Regulation, Hunting Seasons and Bag Limits Regulation, General Hunting Regulation and the Wildlife Fees Regulation. In addition, a new policy and procedure document will be developed outlining the allocation process for waterfowl outfitters.

Changes to Foreign Resident Game Bird Licence:
Under the proposed regulatory changes, the existing provincial Foreign Resident Game Bird Licence will change to allow foreign residents to only hunt “upland” game birds, for example, grouse, ptarmigan and gray partridge. Migratory game bird species will no longer be able to be hunted under the Foreign Resident Upland Game Bird Licence. This licence will continue to be purchased through the elicensing system and will be valid for the entire open season it is purchased for. The existing fee for this licence remains at $175.25.

A new provincial 7-day Foreign Resident Migratory Game Bird Licence will be created through regulation that will allow foreign residents to only hunt “migratory” game birds in Manitoba. Migratory game birds include waterfowl such as ducks, geese, but also includes sandhill crane and woodcock. This licence will not allow for the hunting of upland game birds. The fee for the new provincial foreign resident migratory game bird licence is proposed at $175.25, which is the same cost as the current foreign resident game bird licence.

This licence will be valid for a 7-day period chosen by the hunter during the migratory game bird season. Currently, the majority of non-outfitted (and outfitted) foreign residents hunt for fewer than seven days per year so this is deemed to be of little impact to the majority of foreign resident hunters. The 7-day limit allows for more controlled access throughout the open season.

A foreign resident will be able to apply for the new provincial migratory game bird licence through a new licence draw process or by purchasing their provincial migratory game bird licence directly from a licensed outfitter with a waterfowl allocation.

There is no change to resident and non-resident (Canadian) hunters as they will continue to be able to purchase their game bird licence, which allows for all game bird species (including migratory birds) to be harvested under that licence. These licences remain available through the elicensing portal.

Changes to Foreign Resident Allocations and Draw:
Changes are being proposed that would see the province adopt a provincial cap on foreign resident migratory game bird licences at 2,900 licences annually (from a five year average of approximately 3,600 pre covid-19), representing approximately a 20% reduction in the overall foreign resident migratory game bird hunting licence allocation. A 20% reduction will reduce some hunting pressure and competition for access for resident hunters, while still providing opportunity for foreign resident hunters to come to Manitoba to hunt.

An initial allocation of 1,200 foreign resident migratory game bird licences will be made available to active licensed waterfowl outfitters, which is the historical average numbers of licences requested by outfitters from 2016-2019. This will support and prioritizes active licensed outfitting businesses so that their services are highly sought after by clientele from across Canada, the U.S. and the world.

For non-outfitted foreign residents, 1,300 foreign resident migratory game bird hunter licences will be available through a draw process (a decrease from an average of 2,400 annually for the four years prior to 2020). Foreign residents who are not successful in the draw may still hunt in Manitoba for the season in question if they purchase a guided hunt through a licensed outfitter. The foreign resident migratory game bird licence draw process will be administered within Manitoba’s elicensing system. An $11.50 draw application fee is proposed for each application into the foreign resident migratory game bird licence draw. This would keep in-line with the draw application fee currently applied to all other hunting licence draw applications (e.g. big game draws).

An additional 400 foreign resident migratory game bird hunter licences will be available to accommodate and transition non-government organizations that provide hunting opportunities as part of habitat conservation work and individuals that hold historical hunting properties in Manitoba to the new regulatory system. The licences may also be used to mitigate impacts to outfitters in extenuating circumstances.


Changes for Licensed Outfitters:
The objective is to maintain the current number of outfitted foreign resident clients prior to the COVID-19 pandemic closures through an allocation process that supports active licensed outfitting businesses. It is proposed that initial allocations will be assigned to active licensed outfitters, based on the average number of clients identified in mandatory Outfitter Declaration Forms submitted from 2016-2019. Outfitters will continue to only be allowed to operate in the areas specified on their Resource Tourism Operator's Licence.

The provincial foreign resident migratory game bird licence allocations to waterfowl outfitters will be similar to big game allocations; licence allocations are the property of the Crown, and cannot be sold as part of a business transaction. Within certain parameters, they may be transferred to the new owners of the business being purchased, which will add to the business’s marketability. Like current outfitter big game allocations, utilization criteria and the process of transferring a waterfowl allocation will be developed, in partnership with the Manitoba Lodges and Outfitters Association.

Under the proposed policy framework, waterfowl outfitters that were inactive from 2016-2019 may not receive licence allocations. The total allocation of outfitted provincial foreign resident migratory game bird licences is proposed to be capped at 1,200 licences, the average number of outfitted clients as per the average of the four years pre-COVID.

The proposed allocation process will require a $100.00 allocation fee for each foreign resident migratory game bird licence allocated to an outfitter as a fee for the commercial use of Manitoba’s wildlife resource. This is consistent with the allocation of all other foreign resident hunting licences allocated to outfitters (e.g. big game draws).

Resources and Procedures Required to Implement and Sustain the Project:
The management of waterfowl and licensing falls to the Department of Natural Resources and Northern Development. The department will develop required policies and procedures including working with the elicensing provider for changes needed to Manitoba’s elicensing system for the new foreign resident migratory game bird licence, allocations and the licence draw process. There may be a fee attributed to upgrading the system, which will be budgeted from existing department funds.

A communication package and implementation plan will be developed for licensed outfitters outlining next steps in acquiring an allocation of hunting licences. Internal staff will oversee administration of the elicensing system and working with outfitters to ensure a smooth transition into the allocation process occurs in time for fall hunting, 2023.

Publications such as the Manitoba Hunting Guide and information provided by Travel Manitoba will be updated to provide to all hunting clientele the changes to migratory game bird hunting in Manitoba.
No other resources or procedures are required to implement or sustain proposed changes to how licences are allocated and managed.

Previous Consultations:
In 2003, a waterfowling summit was held in the Delta Marsh, chaired by the Province and attended by MLOA, the MWF and federal Canadian Wildlife Service staff to identify waterfowl hunting issues and potential policy changes to address the growing conflict.

From 2017 to present, the Province, the MLOA, MWF and Travel Manitoba have had ongoing discussions to develop regulatory solutions to improve waterfowl hunting quality in Manitoba.

Implications

Potential Beneficial Impacts of the Project:
The proposed changes promote sustainable tourism in Manitoba by providing stability for the waterfowl outfitting industry through an allocation process and provides resident’s primary waterfowling priority as part of Manitoba’s hunting heritage.

Overall, this project directly benefits the residents of Manitoba by enhancing the value of outfitting businesses owned by Manitobans and equally as important, puts Manitoba resident hunters first in having the greater opportunity to enjoy their own world-class waterfowl hunting including economic contributions to local and rural businesses. A 2020 economic impact study by Travel Manitoba stated hunting-related spending was $212M of which Manitoba residents contributed 78% ($165M) of those dollars. This project ensures waterfowl hunting provides the greatest return of economic benefit to Manitoba businesses and local, rural economies.

Spin-off benefits will increase resident hunter recruitment as parents begin taking their children out for an enjoyable outdoor excursion, hunter retainment as hunting opportunity and access will no longer continue to erode and hunter reactivation with less conflict on the land and past hunters feeling opportunity is available to them once again.

Potential Adverse Impacts of the Project:
The proposed changes will have the most impact on non-outfitted foreign resident hunters who come to Manitoba for world class hunting experiences; majority of which are from the U.S. Waterfowlers from the U.S. are known to be highly motivated in pursuit of waterfowl hunting. Likewise, American waterfowlers are also passionate supporters of waterfowl habitat conservation. Every year, the U.S. federal and state governments, and private waterfowlers send millions of dollars to the Canadian prairie provinces, including Manitoba, to support the important waterfowl habitat conservation work of organizations like Ducks Unlimited Canada, Delta Waterfowl, the Manitoba Habitat Heritage Foundation and the Nature Conservancy of Canada. U.S. waterfowlers contribute to the Manitoba and prairie economy through their spending in local hotels, towns, restaurants, grocery stores and through licence revenue.

Some non-government organizations such as Ducks Unlimited Canada, Delta Waterfowl, Manitoba Habitat Heritage Canada and the Nature Conservancy of Canada, may have concerns over the decreased hunting opportunities available for non-outfitted U.S. waterfowlers could result in a reduction of conservation support. However, lower hunter densities in Manitoba will continue to attract substantial foreign resident hunters who are willing to pay more for prime hunting access.

There may also be concerns expressed by some foreign resident hunters who have invested in private property in Manitoba specifically for them and their family's hunting enjoyment. Many of these foreign residents choose to hunt in Manitoba longer than just a 7-day period. They may feel restricted having to apply through a new draw system with no guarantee of being drawn successfully for a migratory game bird licence and may believe it will not provide the return on their property investment. It is unknown what the scope of this issue may be but expected to be low in the scope of the large number of foreign hunters (estimated less than 50).

Implementation

How the Regulatory Solution will be Implemented:
Updates to the elicensing system will be required to ensure the appropriate mechanisms are in place and functioning for the new foreign resident migratory game bird licence, allocation and draw process. The department will work with the elicensing provider to make required system changes for implementation in time to enable the changes.

An implementation plan is being developed for licensed waterfowl outfitters to outline the policy and procedure, and licence allocation process. An outfitter allocation policy will be developed in partnership with the MLOA.

Prior to the 2023 waterfowl season start, changes will be announced through hunting publications and various social media platforms.

Public Communications:
Government publications, such as the Manitoba Hunting Guide will be updated to provide the hunting public with the new changes and direction to understand the new approach going forward. This information will include webpages under the Government of Manitoba website as well as on the elicensing portal.

Travel Manitoba, MLOA and MWF will be engaged to help communicate the changes to licensed hunters, outfitters and licensed vendors to explain the new foreign resident migratory game bird licence draw process. These stakeholders have multiple platforms to share the details of these changes with their memberships and the general public.

Expected Implementation Timelines:
The department proposes the regulatory project to be in effect by spring 2023 in time to allow for foreign resident hunters to apply for a migratory game bird licence through the draw process. This timeframe should allow outfitters the ability to book clientele for the fall hunting season.

Enforcement Approach:
No changes are required to existing enforcement and compliance activities.

The Wildlife Act sets out robust penalties to ensure that wildlife resource users adhere to a number of various wildlife related laws. The Conservation Officer Service has full authority granted to enforce all provisions of The Wildlife Act and its regulations and can conduct inspections, investigations and other enforcement measures, as necessary to ensure compliance of The Wildlife Act.

Penalties for failing to comply are set out under The Wildlife Act as well as the regulations. Penalties can range from a set fine through to maximum penalties of $25,000. In addition, there are also options to cancel or suspend a person's privilege to a hunting licence if they fail to comply.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by fordtruckin

The landowner isn’t obligated to lease the land out so again it falls back on the landowner.

It does come down to the landowners, so basically, this effects them as well.

[Grizzly Adams1]

It always intrigued me that under the Migratory bird Act, we protect some species totally, for the Americans, who shot the hell out of them when they got south. Cranes being a good example.

Grizz

[35 whelen]

And swans

[honda610]

I would personally like to see Alberta make them only allowed to hunt Monday to Thursday. Had alot of hunts ruined by guides in the Vermillion area. It's about time some governments start looking after there residents. If it's on a draw it should not be available to out of province or country hunters. Outfitters don't bring as much revenue into the province for locals as everyone thinks. Most goes into the outfitters pockets not the community. Other than a bit of gas and or odd meal. Most meals are cooked in the camp so winner's are grocery stores and gas stations. When a local hunts in another part of the province he's burning fuel, buying food, supplies, vehicle repairs, hotels,restaurants, gifts for family, local butchers, list goes on. Outfitting puts a price on our wildlife and that can be okay but with apos being run by crooks it does not bode well. And I have worked for Outfitters as a paying job.
Just my 2 cents.

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by honda610

I would personally like to see Alberta make them only allowed to hunt Monday to Thursday. Had alot of hunts ruined by guides in the Vermillion area. It's about time some governments start looking after there residents. If it's on a draw it should not be available to out of province or country hunters. Outfitters don't bring as much revenue into the province for locals as everyone thinks. Most goes into the outfitters pockets not the community. Other than a bit of gas and or odd meal. Most meals are cooked in the camp so winner's are grocery stores and gas stations. When a local hunts in another part of the province he's burning fuel, buying food, supplies, vehicle repairs, hotels,restaurants, gifts for family, local butchers, list goes on. Outfitting puts a price on our wildlife and that can be okay but with apos being run by crooks it does not bode well. And I have worked for Outfitters as a paying job.
Just my 2 cents.

It is weird how the government yields to APOS, it's like no one pays attention to what goes on. Maybe hunting associations should be making the government aware.

[Pekan]

Originally Posted by st99

can you give a summery, I will not support any MSM especially CBC

You want to know what it says but won't read it yourself. But you trust an anonymous third party to give you a synopsis of what the article is about.
Interesting logic, but here's what the article said:

The article is about how US bird hunters love freedom so much it makes the socialist Manitoba government afraid so they don't want them to stay so long.
The article also says that Trudeau hates everything you hold dear and wants your kids to all be Trans. There was also a bunch of stuff in there about how the Feds will be giving each and every FN person a cheque for $5 Million and a new Tesla. And they'll be using the carbon tax to pay for it.
It was a strange article, even by CBC standards.

You can trust me...

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by Pekan

You want to know what it says but won't read it yourself. But you trust an anonymous third party to give you a synopsis of what the article is about.
Interesting logic, but here's what the article said:

The article is about how US bird hunters love freedom so much it makes the socialist Manitoba government afraid so they don't want them to stay so long.
The article also says that Trudeau hates everything you hold dear and wants your kids to all be Trans. There was also a bunch of stuff in there about how the Feds will be giving each and every FN person a cheque for $5 Million and a new Tesla. And they'll be using the carbon tax to pay for it.
It was a strange article, even by CBC standards.

You can trust me...

OK, Pekan, that was gold.

[Pekan]

Originally Posted by Stinky Buffalo

OK, Pekan, that was gold.

What's it take to get banned around here?

[jcrayford]

Originally Posted by Pekan

You want to know what it says but won't read it yourself. But you trust an anonymous third party to give you a synopsis of what the article is about.
Interesting logic, but here's what the article said:

The article is about how US bird hunters love freedom so much it makes the socialist Manitoba government afraid so they don't want them to stay so long.
The article also says that Trudeau hates everything you hold dear and wants your kids to all be Trans. There was also a bunch of stuff in there about how the Feds will be giving each and every FN person a cheque for $5 Million and a new Tesla. And they'll be using the carbon tax to pay for it.
It was a strange article, even by CBC standards.

You can trust me...

^ IPOD (Internet post of the day) right there....

J.

[jednastka]

Just spoke to MWF representatives. The issues is as follows.

1. Manitoba outfitters mist be Manitoba residents - full stop. (as opposed to Alberta which is a free-for-all).
2. Some US outfitters have recently (last year or two) started getting around this by buying good land for migratory shooting, and inviting "US friends" to shoot on it for the full migratory season, bypassing the outfitter rules.
3. The rules limit US hunters, including the "unofficial" outfitters, bring the system back to the way it was intended to work.
4. By the way, the measure hass the full official support of the Manitoba professional outfitters society.

Vic

[Frank_NK28]

Hopefully AB and SK will follow suit...