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Old 04-17-2011, 12:02 PM
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Default Minimum barrel length of a .22?????????

A friend of mine cut down a .22 for his kid the whole gun meets length requirements 26" but he did the cutting before he found some info. I think the Barrel is too short its 11" total we cant find any info on this any help would be appreciated thanx
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Old 04-17-2011, 12:34 PM
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As far as I know if the rifle "was originally manufactured" less than 18.5 inches you are ok. If it started out @ over 18.5 and actually even if you only cut off 1 inch, you need to inform CFC of any barrel length modifications. If you modify a barrel length I believe it must be 18.5 inches or longer to remain unrestricted.

This is why when you register any rifle they ask you to confirm the barrel length to ensure it hasn't been modified. This also applied if you re-barrel a rifle with a longer barrel (say going from 24 inch to 26 inches).

I have a feeling your buddy just created a restricted or prohib class firearm without realizing it....

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Old 04-17-2011, 12:48 PM
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Candian firearm center says prohibited weapon any rifle or shot gun barrel that has been ALTERED so that it is less than about 18" (457mm) or has an overall length less than 26" (660mm).

If the gun was manufactured with an 11" barrel and was 26" overall you would be fine.
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Old 04-17-2011, 12:52 PM
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im not sure, but to add to the confusion dont lever rifles and .22 LR have different rules...?
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Old 04-17-2011, 04:32 PM
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im not sure, but to add to the confusion dont lever rifles and .22 LR have different rules...?
There's a rule for semi autos (can not be cut below 18.5") and a rule for manual actions(bolt, pump, lever, whatever else, can not be cut below 18").

Barrels that are manufactured below 18/18.5" are OK so long as the overall length is still 26", but you CANNOT cut down a barrel that is below 18/18.5", you have to leave it be at the manufacturers length. These are the rules for non-restricted firearms only.

Grouse Assassin, unfortunately you're buddy is now in possession of a prohibited firearm, he's gonna need to either destroy it or replace the barrel. What kind of gun is it? It might be worth his while to source out a replacement barrel for it, or if it's something like an old cooey it might be best just to scrap it and pick up another.
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Old 04-18-2011, 02:42 PM
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I was told that for accuracy and stabilization, the shortest you should go on a .22 was 16".Would be interesting to see how an 11" barrel would work.
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Old 04-18-2011, 02:53 PM
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Kinda a shame but he say's he's going to weld the bolt and hang it on his cabin wall thanx for the info Gents much appreciated as always!!
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Old 04-18-2011, 05:07 PM
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If he cut it to 11", it is prohibited

If it comes from the factory shorter than 18.5, it is ok
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Old 04-18-2011, 05:10 PM
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Kinda a shame but he say's he's going to weld the bolt and hang it on his cabin wall thanx for the info Gents much appreciated as always!!
He needs to do more than weld the bolt

Get the "deactivation" guidelines from the CFC and follow them
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Old 04-18-2011, 07:18 PM
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Definition of a Prohibited Firearm

The Criminal Code states that a prohibited firearm is:

a handgun with a barrel length of 105 mm or less;
a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 25 or 32 calibre ammunition;
a rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make it less than 660 mm (26 inches) in overall length;
a rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make the barrel length less than 457 mm (18 inches) where the overall firearm length is 660 mm (26 inches) or more;
an automatic firearm and a converted automatic firearm;
any firearm prescribed as prohibited.

From:http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/rp-eng.htm

New Deactivation Standards

Canadian Firearms Program

Special Bulletin for Businesses No. 58

November 7, 2006

NOTICE: The information contained in this bulletin is considered accurate the date of publication. The information has not been updated to reflect any changes to the Firearms Act and related regulations.

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Standards for deactivating firearms have been revised.
The new standards will not affect the status of firearms that have already been deemed to be deactivated unless there is evidence that the firearm has been, or could easily be, reactivated.
Alterations to deactivate a firearm must be confirmed by a licensed gunsmith.
There is a new form to notify the Registrar of a firearm’s deactivation.
Firearms are exempt from the requirements of the Firearms Act if the Registrar of Firearms is satisfied that the firearms have been made incapable of discharging projectiles that can cause serious injury or death and therefore, no longer meet the definition of a firearm.

The Registrar has developed new guidelines to ensure that firearms are sufficiently modified to be exempt from the definition of a firearm. Businesses and individuals whose firearms have been deactivated according to the guidelines are protected from criminal liability for possessing those firearms without a valid licence or registration certificate.

The basic instructions for deactivating a firearm have not changed compared to previous guidelines. However, the new guidelines now stress that modifications to deactivate a firearm must be permanent, meaning that they must be done in such a way to make it extremely difficult to reactivate the firearm. Further, someone licensed as a gunsmith under the Firearms Act must confirm that the firearm has been modified according to the instructions set out in the guidelines.

The Registrar must be notified in writing whenever a firearm is modified in a way that significantly changes its description, including when it is deactivated.

The new standards will not affect the status of firearms that the Registrar has already deemed to be deactivated unless there is reason to believe that the firearms have been, or could easily be, reactivated. Reactivated firearms once again become subject to the licence and registration requirements of the Firearms Act.

If you have firearms that you did not register because you considered them to be deactivated, and therefore exempt from the registration requirements, and now have any questions about the deactivation of a firearm, call 1-800-731-4000.

Importing Deactivated Firearms

Different countries have different deactivation standards. Even if an imported firearm has been deactivated, it will be treated as an active firearm until it is in Canada and the deactivation can be confirmed by a licensed gunsmith. To import such a firearm, you need a valid licence allowing you to import that class of firearm and you need to register the firearm. Once a licensed gunsmith in Canada has confirmed that the firearm modifications meet Canadian deactivation standards, the firearm may be deregistered.

From:http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/b...tin-58-eng.htm

Storing and Transporting Deactivated Firearms

The regulations pertaining to the safe storage and transportation of firearms do not apply to firearms that have been deregistered due to deactivation. It remains important, however, to store and transport them safely to deter loss or theft.
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Old 04-18-2011, 08:47 PM
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it has been destroyed and recycled
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Old 04-18-2011, 09:29 PM
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it has been destroyed and recycled
Make sure he informs the CFC of that...cause that guns registry will be stuck to him till he passes....then stuck to his estate....etc.

Huge pain in the ass but if it was registered in the first place it needs to be removed.

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Old 04-19-2011, 12:02 AM
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Make sure he informs the CFC of that...cause that guns registry will be stuck to him till he passes....then stuck to his estate....etc.

Huge pain in the ass but if it was registered in the first place it needs to be removed.

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Old 04-19-2011, 09:06 PM
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No problem...just another one of the great things the CFC-Registry does to us....

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