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02-12-2018, 08:21 AM
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New guy wanting a break.
Been shooting for decades at this point just usually with friends and families guns.
Recently picked up a rem 783 SA 308 in an mdt stock.
But the bare barrel looks out of place to me so I'm wondering how involved it is to a decent break on it.
Not looking for a clamp on. Seen a couple blow off at the range and I don't want to be that guy.
Is it something that can be done at home with a set of good quality dies and a vice? Since most use a locknut, indexing doesn't have to be too exact I assume.
If it's best to leave it to a Smith any have suggestions for the South alberta area?
Any favorite brands./styles that are easy choices?
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02-12-2018, 08:34 AM
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You are putting on a brake for looks?
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02-12-2018, 08:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck
You are putting on a brake for looks?
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Small part is for looks.
Major reason is I like a heavy gun and low recoil.
Bonus points for extra loudness.
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02-12-2018, 08:57 AM
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Remember the bonus for extra loudness part when you can't hear anything without getting it repeated if a few years.If you have to have a heavy gun,put weight in the stock but stay away from a break!!!
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02-12-2018, 10:28 AM
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Thread on muzzle brakes have the barrels thread for the brake cut on a lathe . The brakes hole must be concentric with the bore to keep the bullet from hitting the brake. There is usually only .020 thousandths clearance between the bullet and bore diameter of the brake. Not much room for error.
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02-12-2018, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Northwinds
Remember the bonus for extra loudness part when you can't hear anything without getting it repeated if a few years.If you have to have a heavy gun,put weight in the stock but stay away from a break!!!
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On a .308 the recoil is minimal so by installing a break all you are doing is annoying all the other shooters around you.
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02-12-2018, 12:07 PM
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Rob can certainly do this for you and at a good price.
Lots of reasons to get a brake - wanting one is good enough for me.
Some of the designs out these days are actually much less intrusive on other shooters than some of the older brakes. When I RO at matches I always take an extra step or two back when someone with an APA brake is on the line.
I also have a buddy who makes great self indexing brakes. I have 2 on my match guns currently and am getting one of his new magnum brakes as well.
PM me if you need to know how to get a hold of Rob.
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02-12-2018, 12:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cdub77
Small part is for looks.
Major reason is I like a heavy gun and low recoil.
Bonus points for extra loudness.
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Extra loudness does no favors for anyone. Your ears will hate it. The people next to you will hate it. The antigunners who already complain about noise from gun ranges will only be aggravated to complain more.
Dont get a muzzle brake for the sake of being extra annoying
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02-13-2018, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Nyksta
The antigunners who already complain about noise from gun ranges will only be aggravated to complain more.
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Pretty sure the break doesn't make the gun any louder, just redirects the sound....
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02-13-2018, 02:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Trochu
Pretty sure the break doesn't make the gun any louder, just redirects the sound....
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redirects all that yummy lead. i do love me some lead exposure in my lungs.
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02-13-2018, 02:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Trochu
Pretty sure the break doesn't make the gun any louder, just redirects the sound....
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Yep, if you think that brakes make guns louder you must not believe in physics.
They seem louder but it is only because the noise is being directed to the sides or sides and back than forward. Anyone standing near or on may be able to tell the difference but anyone not on the range is not going to be able to tell.
To the OP, maybe head over to CGN you may get a better response as someone has previously stated. There has been a lot of change in the muzzle brake market over the last couple years and some of the original (and somewhat legitimate) concerns of backblast and ground disturbance have been for the most part resolved.
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02-12-2018, 08:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cdub77
Is it something that can be done at home with a set of good quality dies and a vice? Since most use a locknut, indexing doesn't have to be too exact I assume.
If it's best to leave it to a Smith any have suggestions for the South alberta area?
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you have to align it to the bore not the outside of the barrel. i would say it's best done in a lathe and without a die.
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02-12-2018, 08:38 AM
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If you really want a break in the barrel, do it yourself. Lay the end of the barrel on an anvil, get a 12lb sledgehammer and wail away, and a break should result.
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02-12-2018, 08:55 AM
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No. Please don’t attempt this at home in your vice with a die.
-The threads need to be concentric with the bore
-the threads need to be properly fit to the brake
-once installed the brake should be single point bored to assure proper concentricity to the bore, and taken to the proper diameter for the intended caliber.
As for someone down south, I would see if Rob McLeod would do it. (He is a member on here)
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02-12-2018, 05:43 PM
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Take it to a smith and have it threaded properly. Some brakes need to be indexed, the smith can do this as part of the setup.
I had a Precision Armament M11 put on my .300WM, it cut recoil significantly but is not quite so range friendly anymore due to extreme muzzle blast.
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02-12-2018, 07:10 PM
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I have put brakes on for guys in caliber 223 ,22-250 220 swift , 243. . Not for the recoil but to reduce muzzle jump so they can see bullet impact. Very effective
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02-12-2018, 12:28 PM
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Re finishing a wingmaster
Edited. Posted in wrong thread
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02-12-2018, 12:40 PM
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Break = noise
noise= pain
pain=body reacting to pain
Body reacting to pain= involuntary muscle reaction
Involuntary muscle reaction= rifle/sight picture not on target at trigger squeeze
Rifle/sight picture not on target at trigger squeeze=missing target
Missing target=frustration, leading to even more bad habits....and on and on and on......
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02-12-2018, 12:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 6.5 shooter
Break = noise
noise= pain
pain=body reacting to pain
Body reacting to pain= involuntary muscle reaction
Involuntary muscle reaction= rifle/sight picture not on target at trigger squeeze
Rifle/sight picture not on target at trigger squeeze=missing target
Missing target=frustration, leading to even more bad habits....and on and on and on......
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So you have never seen or heard of a Precision Rifle Series match?
Brakes are not for everyone but they have a place. When I am trying to get 12 rounds off in 90 seconds at 3 difference distances a brake can be a big help.
Also, brakes, when used properly, can help the shooter spot their own shots and get shot corrections on their own which will allow them to make hits on their next shots.
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02-12-2018, 01:59 PM
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Never mention brake on AO try over on CGN the crowd there is more open minded
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02-14-2018, 01:18 PM
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Salty crowd. I use a APA on my 6.5 Cm. It’s fantastic. Easily spot my shots. I shoot PRS and with the time limit it’s essential to see impacts/misses. If you want one, get it. I got another APA little Bastard because I really like it. But it is loud
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