Penetration or Expansion?

[Xbolt7mm]

Originally Posted by chuck

Good grief man.

Chuck your starting a fight again, i never quoted or even referenced you in any way, simply said what i would use

[Xbolt7mm]

Originally Posted by chuck

Good grief man.

Chuck your starting a fight again, i never quoted or even referenced you in any way, simply said what i would use as did thunder grey who said almost exactly the same thing.

[Pathfinder76]

I’m sharing experience and the truth again. Period. It makes it easier to believe.

[Beeman3]

I had excellent results with the 6.5 cal 130 gr Accubond on texas whitetail last year. But the 130 gr VLD hunting performed excellent as well. A bullet I would really like to try is the Hammer hunters or sledge hammer. Solid copper designed to shed it's nose and after it sheds it's petals the front flattens, creating a large wound channel and a exit. Somewhat similar to a Cutting Edge. Wish they shipped to Canada. Getting great reviews over on LRH forum. I like the fact it sheds petals creating more damage but still exits.

[Pathfinder76]

Another.

[Flatlandliver]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

I learned to hunt with army surplus or hand-me-down rifles, and hardware store ammo.

That equipment left one no choice but to get close and place your shots very carefully.
As the years slipped by we bought better rifles and found better sources of ammo and learned to reload.
So we gained confidence in our equipment and our abilities and started shooting at game at greater and greater distances.

Through it all we learned that such shots are possible but they carry with them a whole lot of variable the shooter has no control over.
Variables that can lead to wounded animals.

There is wind drift, animal movement, unseen branches variations in ammo and a host of other pitfalls one does not see in short range hunting.

So many of us returned to short range hunting.

I can understand why some folks think that expensive gear and long range shooting is all there is. We go with what we learned.

But there are alternatives that don't require long range sniping ability and the risks that come with it, or the cost of equipment and components that will perform reliably at longer ranges.

I also think all the talk about long range shooting, or finding the perfect bullet or the perfect rifle may lead beginners to some unfortunate conclusions.

It certainly seems to be the case on threads such as this.

Terminal ballistics is interesting and all. But in the real world terminal ballistics takes a back seat to accuracy every time.

Couple accuracy with short range and you have a much more predictable result without the need for expensive equipment or the latest and greatest in technology and equipment.

Money saved can be used to have more days out hunting.

Seems like a win win for me. Unless spending money is where the thrill is for that individual. If that's the case, enjoy!

Bingo.
The challenge of getting close with the ability to reach out accurately when necessary.
30 cal Barnes TTSX has worked for me at all ranges on all sized game.

[Nyksta]

chuck, i wonder what else you would hope for with your bullets recovered. They appear to be nicely mushroomed and in one piece. Why would you consider them lacking something to use on elk? I understand that monometal bullets have 100% weight retention, but they also lack the ability to mushroom open at slower velocities.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Nyksta

I wonder what else you would hope for with your bullets recovered. They appear to be nicely mushroomed and in one piece. Why would you consider them lacking something to use on elk? I understand that monometal bullets have 100% weight retention, but they also lack the ability to mushroom open at slower velocities.

My point from the picture is that they are far from too hard for deer. They aren’t. Regarding Elk. I’d use one on an elk no problem. But if I’m hunting trophy bulls I want something that has a built in fail safe mechanism. Something that will absolutely retard expansion. I just feel better that way.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by Nyksta

chuck, i wonder what else you would hope for with your bullets recovered. They appear to be nicely mushroomed and in one piece. Why would you consider them lacking something to use on elk? I understand that monometal bullets have 100% weight retention, but they also lack the ability to mushroom open at slower velocities.

You might not believe this, but I agree with you. The accubonds, both regular and the long range variety have proven to be my all round favorite choice in a Hunting bullet. They penetrate, expand, and have a good ballistic coefficient. It’s almost like a partition and a ballistic tip had a baby imo.

[Nyksta]

Ah i see. I didnt notice the thread comments about too hard for deer. I dont know how some could believe bonded lead bullets are too sturdy when there are monometal bullets out there getting results on deer.

[Nyksta]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

You might not believe this, but I agree with you.

I agree with you on a lot of things kurt, you seem like a guy that loves shooting and learning and testing ideas, and eating your personally harvested wild meat. Its the itty bitty parts of our differences that generate all the conversations.

[Nyksta]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

The accubonds, both regular and the long range variety have proven to be my all round favorite choice in a Hunting bullet. They penetrate, expand, and have a good ballistic coefficient. It’s almost like a partition and a ballistic tip had a baby imo.

For Accubond long range bullets, I'm curious what your maximum velocity of a hit has been and how did the bullet hold together. Nosler advertises much lower velocities for expansion, and i wonder about reliability for those extremely close distances high speed hits.

Ive seen videos that show they are fine up at even 3400fps, but I'm interested in any one else's additional info.

[41thunder]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

You might not believe this, but I agree with you. The accubonds, both regular and the long range variety have proven to be my all round favorite choice in a Hunting bullet. They penetrate, expand, and have a good ballistic coefficient. It’s almost like a partition and a ballistic tip had a baby imo.

Heyyy I agree with you too
On game performance has been nothing short of spectacular

[Nyksta]

Originally Posted by 41thunder

Heyyy I agree with you too
On game performance has been nothing short of spectacular

Sounds like if we ever all get together for one of these wings nights, the conversation should stick to accubonds. Lol

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by Nyksta

For Accubond long range bullets, I'm curious what your maximum velocity of a hit has been and how did the bullet hold together. Nosler advertises much lower velocities for expansion, and i wonder about reliability for those extremely close distances high speed hits.

150gr ABLR out of my 280ai pass through on this bull at 250-275yds. Dropped dead within about 30-40yds. One shot... lol.

[Nyksta]

Originally Posted by Kurt505

150gr ABLR out of my 280ai pass through on this bull at 250-275yds. Dropped dead within about 30-40yds. One shot... lol.

If his rack was any bigger you would have needed a magnum length barrel to hold up your rifle for the pic.

[Kurt505]

Originally Posted by Nyksta

If his rack was any bigger you would have needed a magnum length barrel to hold up your rifle for the pic.

That’s a 25” barrel

[elkhunter11]

I like the Accubond in medium velocity cartridges, but when launching a bullet at 3400-3500fps at an elk or moose, I prefer the TTSX. And at my maximum shooting range, the TTSX is still traveling at around 2400fps, plenty for proper expansion. And they work just fine on smaller animals as well, last year my pronghorn dropped at the shot at 300 yards.

[Nova316]

Thats good news, I have a box of 150gr ABLR in 7mm which I was worried about using due to the reviews of it having a thin jacket and violently expanding.

Currently I use the 145gr LRX which seem to do quite well, only was able to test it on a mule deer at 50 yards which it blew cleanly through bone on both sides and dropped in 5 yards out of my 284win. I used 120gr TTSX out of my 6.5creedmoor last year and it dropped the deer instantly at 360m.

I may have to start load development on those 150gr ABLR, was worried about them having a lack of penetration.

[LKILR]

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These are Hornady interbonds retrieved from bull elk. One on the left is .338 225 grain. Shot was quartering towards into closest shoulder and bullet was found against the hide on the other side. It’s the only bullet I’ve ever found from the .338 because all others were pass through. On the right is .270 win. Bullet struck a vertebra right above the shoulder. Both have good weight retention and good expansion.


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[double gun]

The partition is the bullet I trust most regardless of which NA big game animal. I also trust the accubond quite a bit and am using it more and more (however it must be said that I’ve not used them on game larger than deer). I’ve used the original Barnes x, the tsx, and the ttsx on game but I never completely trust them, although everything died. They are my third pick but I will use them if the other two options aren’t available .

[KegRiver]

I use normal jacketed bullets. They do all I need them to do.

I don't need a bullet to tear an animal apart or to make two holes.
All I need it to do is for it to take out one major blood vessel or the heart or lungs.

At ranges under 200 yards any jacked hunting bullet appropriate for the cartridge will do what I need to do.

No doubt there are hunters who can hit a dime at 500 paces. I can't and don't feel the need to. So for me, 200 yards or less works and saves me money on gear and ammo.

[JBE]

I reload for my sons 270wsm and use 140 accubonds. Ths year a 6x6 bull elk at about 250 yards with a pass thru. He didn't do 50 yards and down. His big white tail buck went less than 50 yards with a pass thru. This was at 80-100 yards. They work fine for us.
I would like to try the ttsx's but seen one fail to expand last year and has me a bit nervous about using them

[buckbrushoutdoors]

killed a big bull elk at 60 yards this fall with 145eldx from my 270wsm, complete pass through on a almost perfect broadside shot. hit him the heart and he went 30 yards

[41thunder]

Anyone have any experience with the 338 cal 270gr eldx?

[dgl1948]

30 Cal. Hornady 155 gr Amax from a 308. Taken from under the hide of a large bull moose.

[Slash8]

Placement worked well on this Bull Moose. This was a 100 meter shot from a Marlin 45-70 spitting a 425gr RNFP cast bullet. No bullet recoveries thus far.


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[GMX]

Just curious if anyone has recovered a mono from a deer to prove they don’t t open on smaller game. I’ve shot several deer that had the lungs turned to soup and haven’t got one back yet.

[Rod in the sticks]

Love my Accubonds. Both are 6.5 mm, one on the left is from a 140 gr 6.5x55 recovered from a deer shot at 325 yards, one on the right is from a moose shot at 100 yards with a 142 gr from a 26 Nosler!

[whitetail Junkie]

150 Grain Nosler BALISTIC tip from the 7 STW...One shot kill with exit and entry wound through the lungs...huge body bull.