Walleye poachers, news article with names

[JReed]

Here's the link to the news article from Friday, props to F&W for catching people at a lake thats in a remote location:

http://justice.alberta.ca/jsg/newsro...orm.aspx?ID=33

[Lefty-Canuck]

Good catch!

Those boys seem like model citizens.....poaching and vandalizing their way into the court history books.

License suspensions should have been longer IMHO.

LC

[Zip-in-Z]

I'm sure the boys did this before & never got caught .... this time they found justice, however, the penalty should of been stiffer, their vehicles should of been confiscated & sold under proceeds of crime.

You got to wonder if their members ... now their "Infamous" !



Zip-Z

[Wild&Free]

sunk a boat and tossed the motor into the lake... should of been fined more, with community service hours attached imo.

[JReed]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

sunk a boat and tossed the motor into the lake... should of been fined more, with community service hours attached imo.

I agree, I'm sure there are some enviromental violations that they also could have been slapped with. All in all a pretty weak penalty, they were already breaking the law so whats stopping them from continuing this behaviour at another remote lake, certainly not a $1200 fine and 10 year suspension of license...

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by JReed

I agree, I'm sure there are some enviromental violations that they also could have been slapped with. All in all a pretty weak penalty, they were already breaking the law so whats stopping them from continuing this behaviour at another remote lake, certainly not a $1200 fine and 10 year suspension of license...

I agree....there should be a stronger deterrent message sent. They should have got 10 years each not 10 years between all 5 of them.

LC

[Wild&Free]

well they lowest fine handed out from what i read was over 4k, with gear confiscation... which probably added at least another 200$ to the damages. Not a small sum really, but an extra 2000$ for littering should of been tacked on to the guys who sunk the boat, and another 2k for the motor. The contamination from the gas and oil is small enough that it wouldn't have to be reported to any ministry or board as far as I know, but some environmental laws could of been thrown at them as well.

In instances like this, premeditated poaching, throw the *****ing book at them.

[coppercarbide]

Yeah, it sounds high when you add it all up, but the 10 years and 29k are split between 5 trashy ****-heads.

I have no idea why they didn't pursue criminal charges of theft under 5k for the boat and motor. If someone steals my truck and burns it in a field a mile away, it's still stealing.

For the life of me, I can't figure out the mindset of retards like this who go out and try their best to ensure their kids aren't able to have a fishery or any wilderness experience.

This isn't people who mis-measured or mis-read the limits. They are knowingly screwing over their kids... Just absolute selfish trash people. I really hope sometime we see a judge with some sense to do the right thing. Jail time would be proper, I can't believe these pieces of **** will be fishing again in 3 years.

[Wild&Free]

The fact the boat was left at a remote lake it most likely can be considered salvage therefore no actual theft was involved. If you want to leave something in the bush your choice, but don't consider it yours anymore. Access is 9/10 of possession and possession is 9/10 of the law as the saying goes.

[coppercarbide]

I wonder if that's a poached walleye he's holding.

https://www.facebook.com/shawn.ardron

Certainly no sportsman.

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by coppercarbide

I wonder if that's a poached walleye he's holding.

https://www.facebook.com/shawn.ardron

Certainly no sportsman.

lol, bored at work are we?

[coppercarbide]

Hahaha, touche. Monday morning... procrastinating productivity while I finish my first coffee. I've learned that anything I do in the first 20 minutes of Monday morning without coffee I'm probably going to have to re-do anyway. haha.

[Shmag]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

The fact the boat was left at a remote lake it most likely can be considered salvage therefore no actual theft was involved. If you want to leave something in the bush your choice, but don't consider it yours anymore. Access is 9/10 of possession and possession is 9/10 of the law as the saying goes.

I heard this story last summer...they KNEW it was the wardens boat. The wardens checked them one day and knew something wasn't right. So the wardens left their boat on shore for the night with the intentions to quad back in the next day. From what I heard the guys started the boat and put it in gear sending it across the lake. Wardens came and left to get another boat to retrieve their original one. They retreived their boat and set it up on shore again, but this time they hid in the bushes with a camera. Sure enough it wasn't long before the guys came back and towed the boat to the middle and tossed the motor overboard and left the boat. Heard it was all caught on tape...I believe they let them fish the day away and then went into their camp that late afternoon and they were filleting all the walleye....BUSTED !!!

Just the story I heard...

[coppercarbide]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

The fact the boat was left at a remote lake it most likely can be considered salvage therefore no actual theft was involved. If you want to leave something in the bush your choice, but don't consider it yours anymore. Access is 9/10 of possession and possession is 9/10 of the law as the saying goes.

That sounds like a reasonable argument.

I'm wondering though, if I leave my truck on a county road, someone breaks the window and hot-wires it, it's still stealing. I think this would be the same, unless there's different provision on crown land or something.

[Wild&Free]

same here, but, I get my paperwork done first thing and let the office in Edmonton figure it out when they get in.

[chriscosta]

i bet it is what a bunch of weasels and to sink a mans boat ooooh they shoulda been shot on the spot

[Hunter Trav]

Vandersteen used to be a awesome walleye lake, to bad **** heads like them figure they can go and take whatever they want from it whenever they feel like it. Sadly they aren't the only ones, and that isn't the only lake it happens on...

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by Shmag

I heard this story last summer...they KNEW it was the wardens boat. The wardens checked them one day and knew something wasn't right. So the wardens left their boat on shore for the night with the intentions to quad back in the next day. From what I heard the guys started the boat and put it in gear sending it across the lake. Wardens came and left to get another boat to retrieve their original one. They retreived their boat and set it up on shore again, but this time they hid in the bushes with a camera. Sure enough it wasn't long before the guys came back and towed the boat to the middle and tossed the motor overboard and left the boat. Heard it was all caught on tape...I believe they let them fish the day away and then went into their camp that late afternoon and they were filleting all the walleye....BUSTED !!!

Just the story I heard...

Information I was not privy to before now. Much thanks for enlightening me.

So ya, if that's the case, then it's still vandalism. They never took the property into their possession, they just destroyed it.

The article also says they were stopped as they were leaving the lake and the filet's were found hidden in clothing and gear.

Originally Posted by coppercarbide

That sounds like a reasonable argument.

I'm wondering though, if I leave my truck on a county road, someone breaks the window and hot-wires it, it's still stealing. I think this would be the same, unless there's different provision on crown land or something.

It would depend on the amount of time the truck had been on the country road. I'm not sure what the time frame is before something can be considered abandoned, but I don't see it being any more then 30 days. Don't quote me on that as I'm just making an assumption.

[Winch101]

Was this in any other papers .....

The antis should have been all over this ..

[Shmag]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

The article also says they were stopped as they were leaving the lake and the filet's were found hidden in clothing and gear.

Ya, not sure about that but pic showing no fillets, just all the carcasses...so still thinking it was at camp. Either way BUSTED, and wish the fine's were set higher as well...

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by Shmag

Ya, not sure about that but pic showing no fillets, just all the carcasses...so still thinking it was at camp. Either way BUSTED, and wish the fine's were set higher as well...

yup

[BGSH]

Originally Posted by Shmag

I heard this story last summer...they KNEW it was the wardens boat. The wardens checked them one day and knew something wasn't right. So the wardens left their boat on shore for the night with the intentions to quad back in the next day. From what I heard the guys started the boat and put it in gear sending it across the lake. Wardens came and left to get another boat to retrieve their original one. They retreived their boat and set it up on shore again, but this time they hid in the bushes with a camera. Sure enough it wasn't long before the guys came back and towed the boat to the middle and tossed the motor overboard and left the boat. Heard it was all caught on tape...I believe they let them fish the day away and then went into their camp that late afternoon and they were filleting all the walleye....BUSTED !!!

Just the story I heard...

Shouldnt you try to stop a crime before it happens? Why would fish and wildlife let these dummies take a boat out throw the motor over board and sink it again. Fish n wildlife should have the right to charge these people with the same charge when they came on shore to see the boat. As soon as they started to drag the boat out they should have been stopped. But instead they had the chance to throw a motor filled with fluids in the bottom of the lake.

[wildman]

awesome that they were caught.
fines shoulda been double or triple.
happy to hear their licenses were suspended too.

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by BGSH

Shouldnt you try to stop a crime before it happens? Why would fish and wildlife let these dummies take a boat out throw the motor over board and sink it again. Fish n wildlife should have the right to charge these people with the same charge when they came on shore to see the boat. As soon as they started to drag the boat out they should have been stopped. But instead they had the chance to throw a motor filled with fluids in the bottom of the lake.

Catching them after they have done the act provides far more evidence towards a conviction then just stopping them from messing with the boat, then no charges could of been filed against them. These are policy enforcement agents for the most part, and wait for you to break the rules so they can do their jobs enforcing them. They could of done the right thing and said hey guys, let all those fish go and leave the boat alone and gtfo and if we see you again it's the book's coming at you. Despite the litter in the lake, I think the officers did the right thing by letting these young men do what they did and saying okay, you had your fun now it's time to pay the price. Hopefully the fun they had wasn't worth the cost and they smarten the hell up.

[jacenbeers]

Douchebags like these 5 guys should get jailtime.

[BeeGuy]

big fines, longer suspensions, and a severe beating with a rolled up copy of the fishery act.

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

big fines, longer suspensions, and a severe beating with a rolled up copy of the fishery act.

federal or provincial? I think you might be onto something.

[Sooner]

Originally Posted by Hunter Trav

Vandersteen used to be a awesome walleye lake, to bad **** heads like them figure they can go and take whatever they want from it whenever they feel like it. Sadly they aren't the only ones, and that isn't the only lake it happens on...

When I fished Graham lake every long weekend in may(before wife and kids came along), that was 20 yrs ago, Vandersteen was do able with a plane or go up the river. I assume the quads and 4x4's have found their way in. Is that how a walleye filled backwoods lake becomes collapsed? Weekend warriors or is the lake getting netted too? Glad the poachers and vandals got caught. I hope their lawyer fees were big too.

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by Sooner

When I fished Graham lake every long weekend in may(before wife and kids came along), that was 20 yrs ago, Vandersteen was do able with a plane or go up the river. I assume the quads and 4x4's have found their way in. Is that how a walleye filled backwoods lake becomes collapsed? Weekend warriors or is the lake getting netted too? Glad the poachers and vandals got caught. I hope their lawyer fees were big too.

I'm assuming it would be a combination of weekend warriors and successive winter kills.

[Shmag]

Originally Posted by Sooner

When I fished Graham lake every long weekend in may(before wife and kids came along), that was 20 yrs ago, Vandersteen was do able with a plane or go up the river. I assume the quads and 4x4's have found their way in. Is that how a walleye filled backwoods lake becomes collapsed? Weekend warriors or is the lake getting netted too? Glad the poachers and vandals got caught. I hope their lawyer fees were big too.

All the creeks dried up which was their main spawning grounds which really declined the spawning numbers. That and the bigstone band was awarded 400 mil and a huge land claim from an 1800 dispute with the government, their first order of business was to get vander shut down for walleye to preserve fishing for future generations

Sorry to stray from the Org Topic...