As upset as many are, what good things do you think the NDP might bring?

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by smartypants

Let me explain this to you, 40% of the vote went to the Harper Conservatives. mmm-k?

50% went to NDP and Liberals...k that is 'non-Conservative'...still with me?? The rest went to the Bloc and Green party, even further left in many cases.

...that means non-Conservative voters are the majority.

I know math is hard sometimes but you'll get er one day, keep at it.

Fixed it for you. LOL Sometimes a change of perspective is fun. Oh, and the percentages are real. The above (your version or mine) is almost always true in a multi-party first-past-the-post system.

[slickwilly]

Originally Posted by I-Love-Eyes

http://m.mic.com/articles/111424/2-y...sota-s-economy

But... Minnesota doesn't have oil.
Everyone knows the only way to make money is oil. Right?...

[Suka]

The next 3 months will tell the tale.

Right now if wage earners asked their employer what they thought of the election results they'd likely get, "I don't know. We'll have to see. Right now I just don't know, it's too early to tell how it will affect us".

Translation: the chequebook just got sat on. Once our new gov't shows their direction and goals we'll know wether or not the chequebook will be reopened.

Maybe this will work out OK, maybe not. Any massive shift like this is going to create uncertainty. This one moreso with the ndp's record in other provinces.

Personally I'd say, "I don't know. We'll have to see. Right now I just don't know, it's too early to tell how it will affect us".

[ArtG]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

But you think government should not be in the business of CPP or Old Age Security, right? They should close it down because only families should be responsible for their elders, right?

lets just call it a difference of option.

[nelsonob1]

When I first came to BC I lived under a NDP government and there were lots of extra money for special things. I recall that the local women's group did not like the " residual male energy" left over from the karate club use of the exercise room, so the government funded special women only matts that were to be used for the ladies.

[Redfrog]

Likely be the first thing on the agenda for the yoga instructor.

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

Likely be the first thing on the agenda for the yoga instructor.

Sounds more like a Nelson specific thing to me.

[nelsonob1]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

Sounds more like a Nelson specific thing to me.

Your probably right. And in Edmonton then would have men only matts as the female energy might imbalance your man-chi.

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by nelsonob1

Your probably right. And in Edmonton then would have men only matts as the female energy might imbalance your man-chi.

My man- chi is unbalanced every time I get asked to leave the seat down.

[SRV6513]

Off to work now but here is a little read on Norway for those that are interested

http://www.sovereignman.com/expat/wh...er-taxes-8235/

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by SRV6513

Off to work now but here is a little read on Norway for those that are interested

http://www.sovereignman.com/expat/wh...er-taxes-8235/

As Paul Harvey used to say, "And now the rest of the story"

Thanks for that.

I'll stay in Canada.

[rugatika]

Probably pretty safe to say that hospital wait times will be very minimal now, class sizes should go down to 20 students/teacher, David Suzuki's carbon footprint will be reduced to that of the average Canadian, all of our power will come from windmills and solar, and people with entry level jobs at McDonalds will finally be able to buy a decent sized house and raise a family on their wage.

[densa44]

The lobbyists will have to knock before going into the premier's office.
The deadwood in the Health system administration will have to look for new jobs.
The holders of all those untendered contracts will have to get new jobs.
The 3 martini lunch on the expense account will dry up.
The new government will have their hearing aids turned on.
The PCs will disappear.
The Legislature should run with more decorum.
There will be fewer hookers hanging around out side.
The political appointees will all be gone.
Maybe the civil service can get back to an on merit system.
Fewer politicians being driven around in limos.
A few prosecutions for graft/theft would be nice.

I don't see what's not to like.

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by densa44

The lobbyists will have to knock before going into the premier's office.
The deadwood in the Health system administration will have to look for new jobs.
The holders of all those untendered contracts will have to get new jobs.
The 3 martini lunch on the expense account will dry up.
The new government will have their hearing aids turned on.
The PCs will disappear.
The Legislature should run with more decorum.
There will be fewer hookers hanging around out side.
The political appointees will all be gone.
Maybe the civil service can get back to an on merit system.
Fewer politicians being driven around in limos.
A few prosecutions for graft/theft would be nice.

I don't see what's not to like.

That's some funny stuff right there. High larry us actually.

Where has that happened under the NDP?

[THEREAPER]

Ask former Ontario premier Bob Rae. In 1990, he, too, came to power unexpectedly with an activist NDP caucus and a long list of progressive promises. None figured as prominently as the introduction of public auto insurance.

But faced with an onslaught of opposition from the business community, and a massive budget deficit, Mr. Rae abandoned the promise by his government’s first anniversary.

[slickwilly]

Originally Posted by SRV6513

Off to work now but here is a little read on Norway for those that are interested

http://www.sovereignman.com/expat/wh...er-taxes-8235/

Ha.

Yeah, I'll probably not take economic advice from a guy peddling on-line financial management.

People not staying at work past 5:00 is a negative? I can just see all those poor workers headed home to their families or out into some of the beautifully preserved wilderness thinking "man, I wish I was at the office right now".

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by slickwilly

Ha.

Yeah, I'll probably not take economic advice from a guy peddling on-line financial management.

People not staying at work past 5:00 is a negative? I can just see all those poor workers headed home to their families or out into some of the beautifully preserved wilderness thinking "man, I wish I was at the office right now".

I guess you missed the part about the 25% sales tax and 55% income tax and up to 78% corp tax. And no chance to get better.

My 88 yr old mother just phoned from Ontario. She was a CCF supporter and an NDP supporter for years. She beat the socialist drum just like the folks here are doing. "Give them a chance" "They are for the working man"
"The greedy corps need to pay".

Then the ndp came to power in Ontario

She said she would never vote for them again. She said they were worse than anyone imagined. She asked if we ever got the news out here. Has no one seen what happened every where the NDP have been elected.
I'm very serious when I said she as well as some of my relatives worked long and hard to support the NDP, until they got elected.

[stubby99ca]

I love how people say the NDP only got 40.57% of the popular vote and complain about them getting a majority 53 seats. Going back three years the PC's only got 43.97% of the popular vote and they got 61 seats. Were these same people complaining about the popular vote to seat relationship then???

BTW: I think the federal NDP leader Thomas Muclair is a total tool. Him in a position of power would worry me greatly, Rachel Notley a lifelong Albertan not so much.

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by stubby99ca

I love how people say the NDP only got 40.57% of the popular vote and complain about them getting a majority 53 seats. Going back three years the PC's only got 43.97% of the popular vote and they got 61 seats. Were these same people complaining about the popular vote to seat relationship then???

BTW: I think the federal NDP leader Thomas Muclair is a total tool. Him in a position of power would worry me greatly, Rachel Notley a lifelong Albertan not so much.

I don't like the system, but some elections I like less than others. This time it flat out failed.

[slickwilly]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

I guess you missed the part about the 25% sales tax and 55% income tax and up to 78% corp tax. And no chance to get better.

My 88 yr old mother just phoned from Ontario. She was a CCF supporter and an NDP supporter for years. She beat the socialist drum just like the folks here are doing. "Give them a chance" "They are for the working man"
"The greedy corps need to pay".

Then the ndp came to power in Ontario

She said she would never vote for them again. She said they were worse than anyone imagined. She asked if we ever got the news out here. Has no one seen what happened every where the NDP have been elected.
I'm very serious when I said she as well as some of my relatives worked long and hard to support the NDP, until they got elected.

I read it don't worry. Here's my thoughts:
Doesn't giving everyone the same playing field (healthcare, education including university) actually increase the chances that those with merit will rise to the top?

And just saying 55% is scary to us, since that is money we are used to having, but it doesn't do anything to discredit the fact that those countries are routinely selected to be the happiest in the world. Based on actual measurable data.

[gulfman]

With all the negative NDP talk........how the hell did they get voted in??

[rugatika]

The biggest problem with any progressive type of tax system is that it is morally wrong and an affront to liberty to steal from someone for the simple reason that they have more.

People have become so acclimated to the government as their everything, that millking every person for all they're worth is the only way to keep the system fed (an extraordinarily inefficient system at that). A system that will never be sated. Conservative or NDP...the only difference is the rate of growth.

Having said that...happiness is mostly a state of mind and very likely has very little to do with how much money one form of government or another manages to pilfer from its citizenry.

[Deer Hunter]

The NDP has historically added provincial parks and protected areas where they have been elected. This is great if you don't have long term aspirations to hunt in K country.

They are also bad news for the people looking to continue to buy crown lands. Or the pumpjack cowboys making money on oil development of lease lands.

What I am saying is that they are pro public land conservation. Which could be a double edged sword when it comes to recreational use through hunting.

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by slickwilly

I read it don't worry. Here's my thoughts:
Doesn't giving everyone the same playing field (healthcare, education including university) actually increase the chances that those with merit will rise to the top?

And just saying 55% is scary to us, since that is money we are used to having, but it doesn't do anything to discredit the fact that those countries are routinely selected to be the happiest in the world. Based on actual measurable data.

O M G!!!! DISNEYLAND IS THE HAPPIEST PLACE ON EARTH!!!!

Should we build an Alberta that mimics that??

Maybe I missed the memo? Maybe that's why they hired kids to run this Mickey Mouse government.

It's not the government's job to make you happy.

Any idea what stuff is worth when it's free??
Any idea what it costs when it's free?

"Money we are used to having"
Well that's one thing you will no longer need to concern yourself with. The gov't is here to help and they are better qualified to spend your money than you are. It will be like spending their allowance only bigger.

[purgatory.sv]

Out of sequence, and not relevant

[purgatory.sv]

Originally Posted by Deer Hunter

The NDP has historically added provincial parks and protected areas where they have been elected. This is great if you don't have long term aspirations to hunt in K country.

They are also bad news for the people looking to continue to buy crown lands. Or the pumpjack cowboys making money on oil development of lease lands.

What I am saying is that they are pro public land conservation. Which could be a double edged sword when it comes to recreational use through hunting.

Thank you that is my fear.

[Brian Bildson]

Red frog can discredit the surveys all he wants, but to me if the citizens of Norway consistently rank it as one of the best places in the world to live his frog croaks just sound like conservative crap.

Actually what blows me a way is I'm betting most of you advocating for conservative values are good folks, working away at jobs making a ok living,, and dreaming of the good life. Meanwhile your puppet masters are laughing away while they game the system to fatten their pocket books.

The Conservatives in power talk about pulling their weight and standing on their own two feet, meanwhile scheming to screw the common man. I think if you dig deep enough conservatism is just xenophobia from the common man, and an end to a means for the dudes in power.

Just like Harper cranking folks up about terrorism, bunch of BS he's using to take away our rights, only to garner votes. I kind of don't understand how people fall for this. Are some of you stupid? LOL

[Redfrog]

Brian , can you tell us where I discredited the survey.

I'm not challenging the figures. I think the NDP have wet dreams of a 25% sales tax. Clams are happy, turnips are happy, doesn't mean I agree with their definition of happiness, or strive for it.

The rest of your post is just more Socialist rant, except for your question at the end.

The answer to that is YES> And you know who you are.

[GrandSlam]

Alberta will be in a very sorry state in 4yrs time. On the bright side, it will guarantee a majority for the Wildrose.

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by Brian Bildson

Red frog can discredit the surveys all he wants, but to me if the citizens of Norway consistently rank it as one of the best places in the world to live his frog croaks just sound like conservative crap.

Actually what blows me a way is I'm betting most of you advocating for conservative values are good folks, working away at jobs making a ok living,, and dreaming of the good life. Meanwhile your puppet masters are laughing away while they game the system to fatten their pocket books.

The Conservatives in power talk about pulling their weight and standing on their own two feet, meanwhile scheming to screw the common man. I think if you dig deep enough conservatism is just xenophobia from the common man, and an end to a means for the dudes in power.

Just like Harper cranking folks up about terrorism, bunch of BS he's using to take away our rights, only to garner votes. I kind of don't understand how people fall for this. Are some of you stupid? LOL

If you are looking to the government to provide you with happiness you will be standing in the bread line a long time my friend. I have a great job for a private company. I make enough money to live comfortably, and I live a very happy life...in spite of the government...not because of it. I am happy that my boss is making money, and our clients are happy that we are providing them with a service that they desire. No government required.

And who is fattening their pocket books in a disreputable manner? Is it the men and women running companies, risking their capital, employing millions of people across Canada, providing goods and services that people choose to buy of their own volition, or is it the deeply caring liberal politician that just wants to take from me and give to thee, paying for your vote with my money, while keeping a not so small disbursement fee for himself and a few thousand of his closest friends.

The only semi-accurate thing you said was that you "kind of don't understand".

The man that sticks an orange on his finger and calls other people stupid.

I hope you find the same level of happiness I have some day. I doubt the NDP or any other government will provide it for you...but don't ever stop dreaming.

PS: Screaming XENOPHOBE!!! at conservatives went out with skinny jeans. Try and keep up with the ad hominem attack du jour.