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Now we see a tax on sugar...in Great Britain
Crazy.
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-42690487
24p per litre if the drink has more than 8g of sugar per 100ml.
Specific taxes on food to drive consumers...interesting concept.
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01-15-2018, 10:46 AM
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Color me a skeptic, but I think the main intent of all taxes is to bring in more revenue for the government.
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01-15-2018, 10:49 AM
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Sugar is a hydrocarbon, it's just another carbon tax!
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01-15-2018, 10:50 AM
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I guess it’s ok to tax more because they have good reasons.
Are they putting the money they steal in a tax haven.
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01-15-2018, 10:53 AM
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They taxed everyone into being non smokers, now they are fat and clogging up the national health system even worse than the chokers. Don't worry, that crap-tax will come here too.
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Any extra tax they can come up with they’ll put in place.
Coming to a tax bill near you.
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01-15-2018, 11:16 AM
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Get a fat tax, it's well known obese people use the healthcare system more than fit people!! Maybe if you're fit you should get a tax reduction. Hmmmm flamesuit on.
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01-15-2018, 11:50 AM
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Get a fat tax, it's well known obese people use the healthcare system more than fit people!! Maybe if you're fit you should get a tax reduction. Hmmmm flamesuit on.
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How do you distinguish between eating and lifestyle versus heredity, physiological or psychological?
Do you punish a sexual assault victim or abuse victim.
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01-15-2018, 11:51 AM
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Starting Jan 1 such tax exist in Seattle.
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So called sin taxes don't work, the only ones it affects are the lower income that can't afford to buy these products to begin with and the ones that can afford it don't care. Go to superstore on cheque day the first stop is to buy a few cartons of smokes, the kids love Kraft dinner.
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Stop just Stop, no telling who is reading this thread, please delete before our current provincial government reads this
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01-15-2018, 12:22 PM
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Get a fat tax, it's well known obese people use the healthcare system more than fit people!! Maybe if you're fit you should get a tax reduction. Hmmmm flamesuit on.
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Im down wit dat!!!!!!!
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01-15-2018, 12:36 PM
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Get a fat tax, it's well known obese people use the healthcare system more than fit people!! Maybe if you're fit you should get a tax reduction. Hmmmm flamesuit on.
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A higher than average sugar intake isn't much of a thing if the person is burning those carbs and maintains a healthy weight. As such it should not be a thing to tax sugar, just tax the sedentary! Every citizen now needs a government-monitored fitness tracker. Our provincial health ministers own personal taxes will quintuple!
If they tax sugar why stop there, some obese people don't eat lots of sugars but might load up on carbs in the form of pasta, rice, potatoes or breads.....
Or lefty politicians could just flipping stop it with trying to socially engineer people to fit their own ideological views and let people be free to do as they please. It must be a foreign concept to them ........
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How do you distinguish between eating and lifestyle versus heredity, physiological or psychological?
Do you punish a sexual assault victim or abuse victim.
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Obesity is not genetic. Sorry.
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A higher than average sugar intake isn't much of a thing if the person is burning those carbs and maintains a healthy weight. As such it should not be a thing to tax sugar, just tax the sedentary! Every citizen now needs a government-monitored fitness tracker. Our provincial health ministers own personal taxes will quintuple!
If they tax sugar why stop there, some obese people don't eat lots of sugars but might load up on carbs in the form of pasta, rice, potatoes or breads.....
Or lefty politicians could just flipping stop it with trying to socially engineer people to fit their own ideological views and let people be free to do as they please. It must be a foreign concept to them ........
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Foreign concept indeed, to them the letters t-a-x solves everything.
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Obesity is a symptom of ignorance.
Tax the fat and use the money for education.
Let's just try and keep lobbyists out of the food pyramid.
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True. Governments (federal, provincial,municipal) are Broke across the developed countries. Benefits the unions were promised, pensions, early retirement, increases on government payroll. The list goes on. Services are not becoming better for your dollar. Taxes will increase, until it cannot. Then revolt will happen. People will be hurt and perish (Venezuela). 2032 (14 years from now)is the year. Be prepared. China, Asian countries will be the most powerful country in the world. The $$$ greenback will fall. Then all s&xt hits fan.
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Color me a skeptic, but I think the main intent of all taxes is to bring in more revenue for the government.
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Obesity is not genetic. Sorry.
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Obesity is a symptom of ignorance.
Tax the fat and use the money for education.
Let's just try and keep lobbyists out of the food pyramid.
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http://www.obesity.ulaval.ca/obesity...es/genetic.php
Perception over fact can play havoc with opinions.
http://www.obesity.ulaval.ca/obesity...es/genetic.php
The most common forms of obesity are probably the result of variations within a large number of genes. Sequence variations within a pool of 56 different genes have been reported as being related to obesity phenotypes, however, only ten of those genes showed positive results in at least five different studies.
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How do you distinguish between eating and lifestyle versus heredity, physiological or psychological?
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Life insurance companies charge higher premiums for smokers, don't know if the same holds true for whales.
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Archie Bunker said it all about England lol.
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There are way more obese people these days than when I was a kid, so much more that they call it an epidemic.
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Exercise and proper nutrition would solve the issue.
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This tax has nothing to do with fat people.
It’s a tax for the sake of extra taxing.
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Get a fat tax, it's well known obese people use the healthcare system more than fit people!! Maybe if you're fit you should get a tax reduction. Hmmmm flamesuit on.
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AHS can sued hershey and mondelez , just like the NY democrats are suing the big oil company for climate change
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I don't necessarily see taxing one form of food (sugar) and ignoring other foods that contribute to obesity - like carbs or saturated fats.
Just cut to the chase - tax the fat. Make everyone step on the scale once a year and charge them per the pound.
While we are at it ....
We should also tax the lazy, uneducated and other "less desirables" ... maybe even the disabled as they, too, are a burden on our health care system.
Oh yeah, maybe new Canadians, people who use public transit and other things the rest of us have to pay for too.
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Worse deliberate cherry picking than your climate science posts.
Cognitive dissonance is strong in this one.
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Originally Posted by EZM
I don't necessarily see taxing one form of food (sugar) and ignoring other foods that contribute to obesity - like carbs or saturated fats.
Just cut to the chase - tax the fat. Make everyone step on the scale once a year and charge them per the pound.
While we are at it ....
We should also tax the lazy, uneducated and other "less desirables" ... maybe even the disabled as they, too, are a burden on our health care system.
Oh yeah, maybe new Canadians, people who use public transit and other things the rest of us have to pay for too.
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Per pound??? Uh no. Lets do body fat percentage please....
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Big deal. Somejust need to move their ass more than others. Its the same for metabolism types. you can have fast metabolisms or slow. Its still no excuse...
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Originally Posted by EZM
I don't necessarily see taxing one form of food (sugar) and ignoring other foods that contribute to obesity - like carbs or saturated fats.
Just cut to the chase - tax the fat. Make everyone step on the scale once a year and charge them per the pound.
While we are at it ....
We should also tax the lazy, uneducated and other "less desirables" ... maybe even the disabled as they, too, are a burden on our health care system.
Oh yeah, maybe new Canadians, people who use public transit and other things the rest of us have to pay for too.
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A weigh-in for the British...this should be entertaining...regarding the fairer sex, do we weigh the baby feeders separately, as those are desirable body fat?
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People might be genetically of a larger frame, but that has nothing to do with whether they're obese or not. Anyone arguing otherwise is only deluding themselves, people don't get fat by eating normal quantities of food and getting adequate exercise. Some seek an excuse where the answer is in the first law of thermodynamics; now an animal is not a closed loop as it ingests food and expels waste, but where the law applies is that it cannot create energy, any energy it has (fat stores) is converted from food intake that is in excess of the calories it burns. The caloric math is pretty simple.
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